So you think it’s funny to launch a phone & within 12 months it can’t run new additional software that Apple have said is going to be a main part of the os going forward just so you can squeeze more money out of people just a greedy attitude under cook pay more get less
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and the continued growth of Spotify AFTER they took out in app purchase shows users who want something can work out easily how to subscribe.
But Epic and Spotify cry they cant get free in app payments.
It's not the payment issue that's holding them back. It's the management of the app.
I ditched Spotify and went to Apple Music. Easier than I thought.
Apple should buy the app that lets you move your playlists across.
It kept 99% of the tracks I had saved.
I dont like their fees and therefore I believe apple is greedy. The fee is the fee.
Phones as of late have been getting 5 to 7 years of updates. There is no way that legit you could buy a phone from apple that’s 4 years old and at the end of it’s cycle.
Maybe instead of a random criticism you want to share the details, because with those details it’s a strawman.
Because if you have purchased the iPhone 15 then you miss out on new software after 12 months so going forward your iPhone will just get the basic iOS version unlike the 16’s that will more improvements to the os going forward just so they can upsell a few more iPhones
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In my view, if Apple wants to keep selling old devices as brand new on Apple.com, they should commit to X number of years of support from when the device was purchased.
Apple likes to have both ends of the carrot here by selling older phone tech as "new" in their price tiers, but then keeps to a normally progressing OS support rug-pull schedule down the line
In my view, if Apple wants to keep selling old devices as brand new on Apple.com, they should commit to X number of years of support from when the device was purchased.
Apple likes to have both ends of the carrot here by selling older phone tech as "new" in their price tiers, but then keeps to a normally progressing OS support rug-pull schedule down the line
Right but there is a difference because when you bought these android phones they never promised to keep giving you updates.
I really don’t understand your criticism, which seems to be a stretch. there are features on the iPhone 16 not on the iPhone 15, such as the camera action button. IOS 18 will be able to use the camera action button. All other features in common will be the same.
So it’s your belief apple is withholding features from the iPhone 15, which means buy according to your value/price ratio.
Apple provides 7 years of updates up from 5. That is not enough for you? My Samsung tvs have two years of updates and I have other examples of a much less update window than apples 7 years.
In my view they recognize there is a year selling window and compensate for it with 7 years of updates.
No the camera button is an actual button there is a difference so nobody is expecting that.
That’s not what he’s saying I believe but what he’s getting at I think is they are selling an iPhone 15 as new but it won’t get the same amount of support as an iPhone 16
Exactly this 👆
They have price tier options to "spend less" ... but when you're buying something older, but still "brand new", you're actually getting less also (on the support/longevity side)
It's just retail gymnastics and techniques
All avoidable if Apple had a standard for themselves of X number of years of support from the date of purchase for ANY iPhone they sell brand new in the first party channel (from Apple)
Because they sold an iPhone 15 & within 12 months it can’t run software that Apple are claiming that it’s going to be fundamentally for the os going forward as it improves every year that’s my problem
I see. Apple operates like other companies in this regard. Of course the warranty is related to the purchase date. The number of software cycles is related to the introduction date this is not an apple thing. And apple at this point is providing 7 years of support based on the introduction date.
Samsung does this as well with their TVs. It is not an apple thing.
The bottom line is apple supports its hardware beyond the expected end of life as evidenced by the iPhone 5s getting updates way past its shelf life. So imo this is just nit-picking on Apple.
Kudos to apple for that.
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Is there any phone maker that does that? I believe the business standard has long been that the "support clock" starts when the phone is launched, not when it is purchased.
They are selling it as new but at a reduced retail price. One of the reasons for the lower price is because it will have approximately (depending on when purchased) one year less support. The 16 starts at $829 but the 15 starts at the reduced price of $729. The same thing happens in year two when the phones are reduced another $100.
But you are also paying less. The 15 is $729 or $100 less than it was during its first year, and $100 less than the 16 is now.
Right but the iPhone 16E is cheaper & will get longer support.
Yes, but length of support is not the only thing that determines phone price or desirability. Someone may value the better camera setup on the 15 more than an additional year of support or other features of the 16e. Most people don't keep their phones as long as Apple provides support anyway.
That’s not what the person said he said it was cheaper so you should expect less software support. I fully understand that most people don’t keep their phones that long but that’s not the point
The point is that software support for many items (but not all) usually commences in the introduction date.
And yes, older items generally fall in price compared to newer items. Paying less though is not statistically tied to length of support. You are paying less for old technology with a specific sla for software support from the date of introduction. Pay less, get less support on paper.
Because it’s the date of introduction not the selling price that determines the software support length.