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Speaking as someone who has been using wireless charging for a year, all this talk about buying a "dock" for a phone in 2016 is hilarious. I feel like I'm watching Stranger Things.
No no. It's more like you're watching Needful Things.
 
Your edit has flaws too. You can't always charge your device before a long trip - e.g. you've been in meetings all day / on the move / sight-seeing and get on train/plane. Now what? Your iPhone needs to be charging at the same time as listening through your 3.5 mm quality headphones because you want to watch some films during the long trip. This is a justifiable use-case. I find myself in this situation about once a month.

The UK price of the iPhone has gone up by £100 - and now you need to spend an additional £40/£50 just to charge your phone and plug in headphones? Pfff.


So is that Brexit or just the typical Apple tax we have to blame this time :D

Kidding aside and not that I'm saying it's not a big hike in price. But compare, for example, a 256GB Jet Black 7+ USA price of $969 at current exchange rates is about £727. Obviously as usual that doesn't include any sales tax in the US as it varies.
Now take our same specification iPhone at £919 and take the sales tax off and it leaves us with £735.

Not such a huge difference when you factor out our ridiculous VAT. And that's not even taking into account the import duty Apple has to pay on the devices either.
 
Its not really comparable.
No apple wants profit and user locked into apple eco system.

This is just one more step for that. I think reviews will show that the sound trhough the dongle will be slightly worse then before and the new lightening headsets will sound better.

I hope now, worklaptop I use is as thin as a macbook and still has ethernet.

Its just silly to drop something like this with almost zero added benefits for the consumer.
If you haven't caught on to the fact that Apple drives a tight knit ecosystem you're either really new to technology or a little slow.

There is a video of Steve Jobs from years ago (obviously) that talked about Apple's 'Courage' to drop technology that was in its dissension vs. promoting the adoption of technology that was ascending and would improve the user experience. I suspect he was referencing the lack of support for Flash, which everyone screamed about and predicted the end of Apple.

He also added that, if you didn't agree with their decision, you're free to buy someone else's product.
 
I'm really not liking the omission. The present wireless solution that Apple has come up with, has a lot of problems. The main being battery life. Any wireless technology drains more battery than having the devices connected with wires.

If I'm out and about for a significantly longer period then I'll be in trouble with wireless headphones. Depending on the capacity of the batteries on the headphones it can last between 2-5 hours mostly. That's nowhere good enough if you like to go out hiking or long walks.

On top you not only drain the battery of the headphones, you also drain it from your phone. Previously if you ran out of battery on either your phone or the headphones you could just connect the device with a battery pack and start listening to music using a wired headphone but now that's not the case.

This is genuinely a step back for me and making my life way more difficult than it needs to be.

When phill Schiller said, "it needs courage". I wanted to smack his face.
 
I give it to Phil for responding to customers queries, I can imagine how many of these emails he might be getting.
 
Really? It's a huge bet, but someone was going to remove the headphone jack when headphones are leaning towards wireless/digital. It's the Apple way. Same with everything they've excluded in their new devices in the past. I've mentioned them in a previous post (don't forget removing CD/DVD drive as well).

Some moaned, some bitched, some said it's stupid with the removal of the CD/DVD drive or change to lightning port. But no one thinks about it now. The pain will be harder with removal of the headphone jack. But we'll find other ways, third parties will move on and other standards will come up from the shadows. Or Apple will suffer on sales big time and rethink.

iP7 for them is a big gamble in so many ways.
To compare this to other format shifts is ridiculous, not least because as far as wired headphones are concerned, the port is now proprietary, their new wireless texhnology seems to be proprietary as well (W1 chip and even if they are licensing it out, still something that gets in the way).

Nothing was wrong with 3.5mm, but sure, go ahead and let Apple tell you how this will help the world enjoy music more, I for one choose to disagree.

Or it's a minor inconvenience and people will forget all about it and move on.
That's because people will forget about basically anything, because they generally suck at voting with their wallets.

That or voting at all, look at the tools and hacks that run our countries.

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If you haven't caught on to the fact that Apple drives a tight knit ecosystem you're either really new to technology or a little slow.

There is a video of Steve Jobs from years ago (obviously) that talked about Apple's 'Courage' to drop technology that was in its dissension vs. promoting the adoption of technology that was ascending and would improve the user experience. I suspect he was referencing the lack of support for Flash, which everyone screamed about and predicted the end of Apple.

always with the stupid "everyone was against and it was the end of apple" apperently you either agree with everything apple does or you are "slow"

He also added that, if you didn't agree with their decision, you're free to buy someone else's product.
Never bought one, too expensive for what they offer altough I am on my 4th iphone now.

How hard is it for you to understand that you can like a product and not want it to be made worse because of bad decisions that have little to do with the users?
 
How hard is it for you to understand that you can like a product and not want it to be made worse because of bad decisions that have little to do with the users?


You're not allowed to make those comments in the Cult of all that is Apple ... nope, not allowed ... read the fine print.
 
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I'm really not liking the omission. The present wireless solution that Apple has come up with, has a lot of problems. The main being battery life. Any wireless technology drains more battery than having the devices connected with wires.

If I'm out and about for a significantly longer period then I'll be in trouble with wireless headphones. Depending on the capacity of the batteries on the headphones it can last between 2-5 hours mostly. That's nowhere good enough if you like to go out hiking or long walks.

On top you not only drain the battery of the headphones, you also drain it from your phone. Previously if you ran out of battery on either your phone or the headphones you could just connect the device with a battery pack and start listening to music using a wired headphone but now that's not the case.

This is genuinely a step back for me and making my life way more difficult than it needs to be.

When phill Schiller said, "it needs courage". I wanted to smack his face.
Phil was quoting Steve Jobs when Steve was interviewed about Apple dropping support for Flash.

It seems like people are trying really hard to justify why this won't work. Analog headphones still connect with the included adapter - there is no mandate to use wireless, but you should probably get used to it as Apple will be pushing more and more technology to be wireless.
 
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Phil was quoting Steve Jobs when Steve was interviewed about Apple dropping support for Flash.

It seems like people are trying really hard to justify why this won't work. Analog headphones still connect with the included adapter - there is no mandate to use wireless, but you should probably get used to it as Apple will be pushing more and more technology to be wireless.
The main problem is listening to music and charging at the same time. It's not a minor thing for people who like to get out from time to time.

From being and it needs to be or right now. This is definitely not right.
 
always with the stupid "everyone was against and it was the end of apple" apperently you either agree with everything apple does or you are "slow"


Never bought one, too expensive for what they offer altough I am on my 4th iphone now.

How hard is it for you to understand that you can like a product and not want it to be made worse because of bad decisions that have little to do with the users?
1) People have hammered the end of Apple and Apple being anti-consumer every time Apple ditches commonly used technology in favor of a solution that they feel better fits where people's lifestyles will be taking them. This has happened with Flash, removable media, removable batteries, etc. The future is wireless. Period. Apple sees that and they were simply one of the first to step up and drop the headphone jack.
2) Your opinion of the phone being made worse is subjective. It's fine to resist change, but change will happen with or without you.
3) This is a decision that is all about the users. Do you think that they did this just to sell AirPods? If that was the case you wouldn't have an included adapter with the phone and have it selling for $9 when Apple typically charges 2x or 3x that for adapters. Apple is freeing up space inside the phone, which is a premium. People keep asking for longer battery life, brighter screens, bigger speakers, etc. etc. Well, stuff like that takes space. In addition, Apple is making an aggressive move to wireless technology and that means helping people pull the plug.
 
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Air travel.

There you go. That's probably the worst case scenario. I know some planes don't have any charging options at all. So even in the case that you have an external battery, you still need that lightning port. I'm sure Anker will release a battery with an lightning connector or aux port. So it's certainly still not optimal.
 
The main problem is listening to music and charging at the same time. It's not a minor thing for people who like to get out from time to time.

From being and it needs to be or right now. This is definitely not right.
This is a limited problem. I'm out with my phone all of the time walking and running. I don't need to charge it on the move; it's charged already and the battery in the phone lasts more than a few hours. When I'm back at home or the office, there is a docking station. I don't have an audio jack on my Twelve South stand as I use a USB-connected DAC on my iMac for audio at the office and AppleTV for music at home, but Apple has a dock that has the audio jack if people need it. In the car I have CarPlay, so it is a lighting connection for audio and charging anyway, but if I didn't have that and had to charge my phone in the car a lot I'd just leave a dual-lightning and audio adapter in the car. More and more cars and aftermarket radio manufacturers are adding CarPlay today anyway.

The bottom line is that, with my phone charged every night, I have limited (make that no) need for charging during the day. If I did, there are solutions though.

Are there situations where the availability of a headphone jack would be nice? Sure - how about when you forget to charge your wireless headphones, have a pair of wired ones hanging around, but have misplaced the adapter? That, however, is less of a concern for me than iTunes not being able to synch my @*FWh music and deleting my music files randomly on me. When I can get past that, I'll worry about an ancient analog audio jack.
 
It really depends on individuals and how they use the devices but the headphone jack was a life saver for me.
 
My concern is that too many people will cave in and buy the phone anyway.

Apple is so influential that many people refuse to think for themselves and let Apple herd them around.

I'm certainly _not_ going to buy an iPhone 7 and hope to be a part of a large group that do not buy either. Time will tell.
I'm with you mate! This is the first time I've ever wanted an apple product to flop out of the gate.
 
Stop being smart*ss Phil! The headphone you included on iPhone 7 doesn't have 3.5mm plug. Stupid!
 
For those saying "just go wireless", "I'll never go back", "Bro you're still using wired headphones?" and referring to the age of the 3.5mm jack (Because Apple did, so sheep gotta sheep...) - many people were happy using those headphones up until the 7 was released.

There is absolutely no question that, if the 7 did retain the jack and there were no leaks, rumours or test parts without such, people would NOT be complaining about its inclusion or promoting Lightning/wireless headphones.

This is not a coincidence or accident.

There is nothing wrong with the 3.5mm jack technology, which is precisely the reason why it hasn't changed in all that time. Apple in their usual wisdom have indeed had the 'courage' to create a problem from nothing, with the intention of generating an aura of sophistication - that less is more, and that we should look up to these guys for their vision.


But guess what? I own a Jet Black 7 and AirPods
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a) I keep thinking when people complain about the 3.5mm jack as 'old technology' yet they don't seem to mind the wheel. What will the say when the Apple car has no wheels? Would they still defend Apple for getting rid of 'old tech'?

b)How the hell do you own them already? :eek:
 
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1) People have hammered the end of Apple and Apple being anti-consumer every time Apple ditches commonly used technology in favor of a solution that they feel better fits where people's lifestyles will be taking them. This has happened with Flash, removable media, removable batteries, etc. The future is wireless. Period. Apple sees that and they were simply one of the first to step up and drop the headphone jack.
2) Your opinion of the phone being made worse is subjective. It's fine to resist change, but change will happen with or without you.
3) This is a decision that is all about the users. Do you think that they did this just to sell AirPods? If that was the case you wouldn't have an included adapter with the phone and have it selling for $9 when Apple typically charges 2x or 3x that for adapters. Apple is freeing up space inside the phone, which is a premium. People keep asking for longer battery life, brighter screens, bigger speakers, etc. etc. Well, stuff like that takes space. In addition, Apple is making an aggressive move to wireless technology and that means helping people pull the plug.

ive never heard anyone ask for brighter screens or better speakers. Ive heard more battery but they didnt even do that did they? I dont want to hear about a 1 hour batter improvement. thats like paying an extra dollar on your car note every month. Call me when they double the battery.
 
If that is the case then I suspect you haven't heard "good audio" before.

There definitely is a difference listening to mp3s vs lossless files over BT. I would suspect the people that say that they can't tell a difference, a) may not have the best hearing and b) listen to mp3s and haven't listened to anything else in a long, long time.
 
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So you think I'm not gonna vote with my wallet? Of course I am. It's ridiculous to think I'm only going to complain on here. Having discussion and talking about the flaws of a product is what a forum is for incase you've forgotten. Negatives are supposed to be discussed. If you dont like people raising issues about a device just ignore it and move along.
Sorry, I didn't see your post describing how you weren't going to buy it with a pointed list of grievances, and I didn't want to put words in your mouth. But I'm glad you realize Apple isn't going to see your complaints without your financial decisions to back them up. So which Android phone are you going to go with? Or I guess Windows phone. I've considered going back to just a simple feature phone in the past, so I suppose that's still an option. I personally would probably go with an HTC, but that's just because I like the industrial design of their handsets.
 
1) People have hammered the end of Apple and Apple being anti-consumer every time Apple ditches commonly used technology in favor of a solution that they feel better fits where people's lifestyles will be taking them. This has happened with Flash, removable media, removable batteries, etc. The future is wireless. Period. Apple sees that and they were simply one of the first to step up and drop the headphone jack.

And this is BS, yes some people have said this just like some people say this years its the end of the world.

Its annoying that with any criticism this "oh people always predict the end of apple" so? Its got nothing to do with this .

2) Your opinion of the phone being made worse is subjective. It's fine to resist change, but change will happen with or without you.
I don't mind change, but change for the good.

Some people pretend any change apple makes is for the good . I for one don't want to deal with 10 different connections in a few years to hook up a headset ? Wireless you say, more expensive for less quality. Some progress.

Btw the same could NOT be said on other occasions like this there were always clear advantages .



3) This is a decision that is all about the users. Do you think that they did this just to sell AirPods?
No , to sell lightening connected headset & license the **** out of others doing the same.
Add to that people are locked in more then ever.

If you think apple cares on bit about where tech is going...

If that was the case you wouldn't have an included adapter with the phone and have it selling for $9 when Apple typically charges 2x or 3x that for adapters. Apple is freeing up space inside the phone, which is a premium. People keep asking for longer battery life, brighter screens, bigger speakers, etc. etc. Well, stuff like that takes space. In addition, Apple is making an aggressive move to wireless technology and that means helping people pull the plug.

Not including the adapter would have been even more foolish. But I do wonder whats the dac quality of the adapter. I wouldn't be surprised if its slightly worse then the DAC in the previous iPhones.
 
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You are right, though being vocal online makes a huge difference , antenna gate, bend gate etc all originated from users being vocal online. Users who work for media visit sites to get scoops on stories.
Yeah, but that's not quite what we have here, because those were both defects, not "features". Apple paid attention to the online chatter with the bending because it was major news outlets picking it up. And I'd bet that the support calls made by customers directly to Apple for the iPhone 4's antenna were mainly responsible for that response. Companies pay the most attention when you own a product and complain directly to them, or when you switch away from their products in favor of their competitors. That's the advantage of a free market, as long as there's real competition, which in the case of smartphones there certainly is. Plenty of good options out there.
 
This feigned outrage is amazing. This same discussion transpires in 90% of macrumors posts now and it's hilarious.
 
Don't be a snob. B&O makes a good sounding wireless headphone. And yes Bose and Beats count. Might not for your ears. But many people like them.
Clearly you need to clean out your earwax and expand on your earphone listening experience
 
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