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still waiting for the floppy drive in my iPhone. wwaaahhhhh :`(

Exactly, but I expect it any time now, given that the floppy is one of the last things Apple has not yet managed to steal from the Florida man's 1992 patent: "A description in the lawsuit says his device would have had solar cells, and a 3.5 inch floppy disk drive." ;)

Joking aside, I do not think the floppy is comparable to the headphone jack in this regard.
 
Apple's ultimate goal->Still just is to make as much money as possible .

He's also an idiot, you buy a new expensive headset with lightning connector, and then cant use it every time you charge your phone. But no doubt in a couple of months the new 99$improved dock now offers 3.5mm & another lightning connector.
 
Well, I don't like the decision to remove the jack, even though I rarely charge and listen on my iPhone (though I do it frequently on my iPad). I think that when fall rolls around and I upgrade my phone, I'll get a 6S plus. No big deal. I get a new phone and I won't spend as much as I would on a 7. I like a lot of what Apple did with the 7, though. Just ont enough to make me care enough to want to pay for it instead of a 6s.
 
And this time next year, once the dust has settled, most of us probably won't care anymore.

I already don't care, I can still use my wireless cans, I can still use my wired headphones and even though I'm a fairly heavy music listener in nine years, significantly longer if you go way back to when mobiles first started playing music, I've never once had to charge and listen at the same time. Maybe I'm lucky, maybe I just top up my phone whenever I can whether it needs it or not.

I get that some people are annoyed that they have slightly less flexibility than before, but if it's such a serious problem then maybe the iPhone 7 isn't for you. God knows there's plenty of other options.

But surely we're capable of dealing with change? I managed to go from a kinetic watch that never, ever needed charging. To one I've got to plug in every night just so it doesn't die on me the next day and, well, god knows how many changes over the past few decades, oh the hardships. Why can't everything still be like it was in the 70's, I want my remote control permanently tethered to my TV so I don't misplace it and can trip over the wire again damn it :D
 
Exactly. $20 as seen here last month:

Griffin's New iTrip Clip Adapter Makes Wired Headphones Work Wirelessly

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Yes. This is what Apple should have put in the box. This supports Apple wireless position without giving away their top of the line AirPods, and allows them to package their old 3.5mm earbuds which are still compatible with their Macs, both the headphone jack, or wirelessly. Instead they put Lightning headphones which aren't even compatible with a MacBook, and an adapter that encourages using their old headphones instead of the Lightning ones, because they are more compatible with everything else including their own MacBooks. This was a total failure of purpose on Apple's part.

To go from one paradigm to the next costs. Simple as that. I hope this is good in the long run. I have premium headphones from Beyerdynamc (T70p) which will be dependent on the adapter. No that cumbersome i think. The interesting part will be how apple will solve it with computers and laptops? Will they include lightning port instead?

I expect them to add Lightning ports to all Macs, starting with the Mac announcement in October. How can they not? The fact that Apple did not introduce, nor include in the box a 3.5mm source to Lightning headphone adapter suggests that they will have to add a native Lightning port to the new Macs to encourage use of the Lightning headphones. Can you imagine Apple telling a new customer who just bought an iPhone 7, and a new Retina MacBook that they will need an adapter to use their new Lightning headphones with their new Mac, but nobody's made one yet? So instead they'll need to buy a pair of 3.5mm Earbuds for use with the MacBook, and use the adapter included with the phone?

Seriously, was anybody paying attention when they planned to remove the headphone jack?
 
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Holy Hannah Montana do we have ourselves a sea of peeps that don't wanna accept change. "There was nothing wrong with the 3.5mm jack." Yeah? Well there wasn't anything wrong with the optical drive now was there? Yet we got rid of it because of cloud storage and downloadable software and media. "But how am I suppose to charge and listen at the same time?" Are you going to bed with headphones on and need to charge your phone at the same time? Boohoo. Wake up, Claire! You can go to sleep without your headphones on. "But the audio sounds better through a wired cable, not Bluetooth." Well time to move on, Buddy Louise. There are a lot of high end audio companies out there with pristine audio quality...NOT depended on a wire. "But I don't like change!" Then you can just sit in the past like every other grump out there that distastes moving forward with tech. "But this is a step backwards." Yeah, that'd be the majority of people's initial reaction until you actually give it a try. People thought the earth was flat and now you're saying wireless audio is dumb?
 
will this silence the whining? no. of course not. there must always be whining.

there was also a BT clip posted to MR not long ago that had a 3.5mm jack in it, i believe. simple solution for older cars (or a replacement head unit, of course).

I got a Sony BT radio from Amazon for about $15, and I had put in new speakers and a panel for the head unit from Crutchfield's. I put in the first because I couldn't stand the fact that it was a cassette player, so I got CDs. I used the phono jack in the front, so I was okay for sound-- but the second radio was the Bluetooth model, and it also has a little mike and I can answer the phone handsfree.
 
"There was nothing wrong with the 3.5mm jack." Yeah? Well there wasn't anything wrong with the optical drive now was there? Yet we got rid of it because of cloud storage and downloadable software and media.

While I use cloud storage and downloads, I still use an optical drive almost every day. Just because Apple claims something is ancient, or dead, doesn't make it so.
 
A good head unit with USB and Bluetooth is about $80.

I happen to drive a BMW E60 5 series with iDrive and there are no possible ways of retrofitting the iDrive.

I guess I will have to shell out even more money for the iPhone-BMW integration kit
 
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Let's face it, a lot of people here are looking for something to bitch about. How often does this charging/listening scenario take place?

Ask yourself.

Is it really a problem? Really?

And even IF it's something you do a lot, hell, there's a tonne of solutions! Grab yourself one of these -

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B0...ords=SBH20&dpPl=1&dpID=41R+jOqGRSL&ref=plSrch

There you go! All fixed!

And look, Apple don't make a penny out of that solution! Stick it to the man!

I've been using mine for years simply because having a wire between the phone in my pocket and the headphones in my ears is lame and old fashioned
 
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Holy Hannah Montana do we have ourselves a sea of peeps that don't wanna accept change. "There was nothing wrong with the 3.5mm jack." Yeah? Well there wasn't anything wrong with the optical drive now was there?
Besides it could only contain a couple gb, scratched, was big, had to be stored,slow,...

USB is a lot easier, more reliable, smaller,faster,...


I have heard a lot of comparisons but none of them match . This only makes things from the cinsumer point of view MORE complicated by being less compatible, less universaly usable less reliable and more expensive.

Yet we got rid of it because of cloud storage and downloadable software and media. "But how am I suppose to charge and listen at the same time?" Are you going to bed with headphones on and need to charge your phone at the same time? Boohoo. Wake up, Claire! You can go to sleep without your headphones on.
So basicly change how you use your phone? Thats BS, perhaps you dont see this need others do and have it.
And what advantages do you get in return? Nothing it basicly has just downsides.


"But the audio sounds better through a wired cable, not Bluetooth." Well time to move on, Buddy Louise. There are a lot of high end audio companies out there with pristine audio quality...NOT depended on a wire.
Any decent wired through the 3.5mm is going to better then most wireless & whatever they provide with the smartphone.

"But I don't like change!" Then you can just sit in the past like every other grump out there that distastes moving forward with tech. "But this is a step backwards." Yeah, that'd be the majority of people's initial reaction until you actually give it a try. People thought the earth was flat and now you're saying wireless audio is dumb?
Yeah because "the earth is flat" is the same. First of all half of that is a myth second it was actually based in large part on science & observations.

Do tell what are the main advantages for the consumer to not have a 3.5mm jack.
 
Don't bring up the trips and flights argument—you should be responsible enough to bring your phone at 100% to the trip.
Fantastic reply to all customers complaints :D

- Tim, my watch battery discharges too fast!
- You should be responsible to have it at 100% at all times.

- Tim, I can't listen to music while my phone is charging!
- You should be responsible to have it at 100% while listening to music.

- Tim, what th..
- You should be responsible.
 
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Fantastic reply to all customers complaints :D

- Tim, my watch battery discharges too fast!
- You should be responsible to have it at 100% at all times.

- Tim, I can't listen to music while my phone is charging!
- You should be responsible to have it at 100% while listening to music.

- Tim, what th..
- You should be responsible.


- And Courageous!
 
Yeah, 'cause I'm sure one of the most powerful men in the tech industry decided to
put everything on hold just so he could drop a few lines to Zaheen ....

And judging from the syntax, it sounds like it was written by a poorly coded bot.
 
Listen to music and charge? Who cares.
Talking on the phone using headset and charge: duh! All the time.
Being on the phone for hours every day drains battery fast, and not being able to charge while on the phone, err, no thanks. And don't get me the bluetooth crap, most BT headsets struggle to last more than a few hours. Note that Apple has not provided information on how long you can use the AirPods for phone calls, just 5 hours of listening to music.

You know, there are actually people who _talk_ on the phone, not just chasing stupid digital monsters...
And no, landline is not an option. I think landlines in Sweden will be all but extinct in the next 5 years. Most companies ditched landlines years ago and gave everyone a mobile phone instead and using switchboard functionality in the cloud.
 
i wonder how many charging cycles the batteries in the AirPods have in them?

The batteries are tiny and need to be recharged after 5 hours, so that will mean a lot of cycles in a short amount of time. Are we looking at 1-2 years of use, before the batteries will no longer hold a sufficient charge and you need to shell out another $160 for a replacement pair?

That's aside from the mediocre sound quality that bluetooth delivers...


Sorry Apple. I'm sticking with my wired Sennheiser cans.
 
Sarcasm?
I mean thats something you already have that now, appel didnt change that.

I know, but over the years we've had lots of things 'taken away' from us. Apple did pretty much the exact equivalent with the removal of Ethernet ports from all laptops.

They decided that for 99% of people wifi was a far more convenient solution and so dropped Ethernet even though it was 'better' in terms of speed. There was no need to remove it specifically.

Everyone complained, then wifi speeds got faster and faster and now no one cares one little bit.

I see no difference here. Apple are taking a punt that wireless is the future of consumer audio and have decided to ditch the connector as something they now see as anachronistic and redundant. We'll have to wait and see but in the same way that now most laptops don't have Ethernet or DVD drives, I think the rest of the industry will follow suit.

It's all a PR game and now one of Apple's prongs in their attacks on Samsung will be "Haha! Look at your old fashioned wired headphone jack!!" Then Samsung and others will quietly drop them.

Apple are no better of course. The big 6 Plus was in response to other manufacturers and market trends...
 
No one cares about ethernet? You kidding? That is one of the most irritating things about macbooks, having to use a bloody dongle to use proper networking. 802.11 is a joke when it comes to reliable speed and connection. Sure, works fine on the run, but I would never, ever settle for WiFi at my workplace.
 
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Lucky me I can't imagine an scenario where I would need to charge the phone and listen to music with headphones at the same time.

EDIT: Don't bring up the trips and flights argument—you should be responsible enough to bring your phone at 100% to the trip. Plus, the phone lasts at least 2 more hours than the 6s and since you can't use mobile or wifi while in a plane, you don't have that much to do but enjoy 40 hours of music AND low power mode eventually.

Your edit has flaws too. You can't always charge your device before a long trip - e.g. you've been in meetings all day / on the move / sight-seeing and get on train/plane. Now what? Your iPhone needs to be charging at the same time as listening through your 3.5 mm quality headphones because you want to watch some films during the long trip. This is a justifiable use-case. I find myself in this situation about once a month.

The UK price of the iPhone has gone up by £100 - and now you need to spend an additional £40/£50 just to charge your phone and plug in headphones? Pfff.
 
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