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I'd have thought you need to be a professional photographer to to justify the cost of Photoshop - isn't it really expensive? There are plenty good, cheap image editing apps for casual users (I love Pixelmator, personally).
You can subscribe to the Adobe Creative Cloud Photography plan for $9.99 USD per month and get Photoshop CC and Lightroom. This is a pretty good deal for most people who need or want PS and do not need the expense of the Creative Cloud Suite.
 
I just had a look at my Windows 7 workstation. I've only got PS CC and Bridge running, but somehow there are 9 Adobe Processes active in the Task Manager.
Seems a bit excessive. Don't have my Mac here, so I can't check to see how bad it is under macOS, but I do know that I've got a lot of 'Adobe calling home' attempts blocked by LittleSnitch.

Yeah. Even with zero Adobe programs open (and the Adobe Cloud Manager closed as well) there were still several processes chugging away in the background, sending and receiving data too— as you mentioned. Force closing them in task manager never worked. All the background services would start right up again anyway. I understand they don’t want teens “hacking their program” and learning how to use it without paying, but even bossy antivirus programs can be shut down if that’s what you want to do.

My main desktop, which I use for a lot of different tasks, was perpetually running and “sharing” data, and I had no control over either issue, so I don’t care if I can pay for a lifetime’s worth of Adobe’s services by noon on January 1st, I have higher standards for paid “professional software.”

This isn’t a good time for Adobe to tempt users by limiting options and seizing control of their customer’s computers, given all of the really good, high value software that exists now, but didn’t just five years ago (or wasn’t viable yet). Btw, I found a brilliant replacement for both Bridge and Media Encoder called KYNO (though not as full featured as ME). It’s super fast, trims codecs like ProRes on a PC, is far more intuitive than Adobe and it’s highly customizable. I think it cast me $150.
 
I'm amazed at the amount of people that are complaining about Adobe's subscription pricing, considering they (and most of the pro software industry) switched years ago. SaaS is a "thing" now and more and more things (like appliances) are becoming a subscription service.

Also... everyone worried about iOS supplanting macOS... yes, it's happening. This happened ~30 years ago when the Mac replaced the Apple II. We'll adjust.
 
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A marketing chief talking about creative vision. The man probably has never waited 12 hours for a 3D rendering to finish. Or simply attempted to drag an element across the screen in a 300 layer hi-res Photoshop file.

Hence the fascination with little toys. A creative vision, first an foremost would be directed forward and not backwards to see what we can do with toys that by their own nature are limited, but how we can push the envelope and can create content that has gone where no content has gone before. And for that, we need computing power and serious workstations. As it is, I think Apple has lost all creative vision.

Like how Prometheus stole fire from the gods to benefit mankind, I quite like the idea of being able to run photoshop on a mobile tablet, rather than requiring a high end workstation (and being tethered to one, no less). I can think of no better way of democratising technology than to reimagine otherwise “power user” workflows into an elegant and tidy little package that anyone can readily access regardless of their background.

Apple doesn’t exist just for the 10% of creators, it exists for all of us.
 
I'm amazed at the amount of people that are complaining about Adobe's subscription pricing, considering they (and most of the pro software industry) switched years ago. SaaS is a "thing" now and more and more things (like appliances) are becoming a subscription service.

Also... everyone worried about iOS supplanting macOS... yes, it's happening. This happened ~30 years ago when the Mac replaced the Apple II. We'll adjust.

How do you make apps for iOS?
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I quite like the idea of being able to run photoshop on a mobile tablet, rather than requiring a high end workstation

Have you used Photoshop before? You don’t need a high end work station to run it, so I’m not sure where you spout these myths
 
I can think of no better way of democratising technology than to reimagine otherwise “power user” workflows into an elegant and tidy little package that anyone can readily access regardless of their background.

Apple doesn’t exist just for the 10% of creators, it exists for all of us.

We already have plenty of "little" solutions (and some quite elegant ones for that matter), including Photoshop and other Apps for iPads, iMacs, and all the other iGags. What we do not have is a workstation on which creatives can flex their muscles to push the envelope. I don't know what there is to democratize?
 
Won't be ready until 2019 means you'll need to buy the new 2019 iPad Pro with 6GB/8GB DRAM to do anything resembling pro work. One stripped down app is better than nothing but still prefer the full unneutered Photoshop plus the freedom of using a free alternative like Gimp which is only available on Windows/Linux/Mac.
 
We already have plenty of "little" solutions (and some quite elegant ones for that matter), including Photoshop and other Apps for iPads, iMacs, and all the other iGags. What we do not have is a workstation on which creatives can flex their muscles to push the envelope. I don't know what there is to democratize?

The iMac Pro not powerful enough for photoshop?
 
I would hasten a guess that the vast majority of photoshop users are simply working on photos and graphics for the web media as opposed to Billboard sized images. And I'd be willing to take a stab and say that the Majority use Stock Photoshop out of the box, no plugins, no add-ons and no need for a billion gigabytes of ram. Just basic editing.

I already know that Photoshop on an iPad will suit the majority of my use case scenarios down to the ground and CC is not that expensive at all.

A 27" 5K screen still shows more detail than a 12" 2K screen. iOS still doesn't have display color calibration or a true user-accessible file system. These remain fundamental advantages of the Mac for a lot of professionals, even if they are less important to your workflow.

You don't need a 5k screen to edit candid shots of an event, on location when the client wants them posted up as-it-happens social media - the screen, on even the base model iPad, is already better than most mid range laptops.

Sure if you need a bucketload of additional filters or plugins on a regular basis, its not going to be for you. But to knock up drafts during a meeting or edit some snaps and make them look pretty for facebook or Instagram instantly - then hell yeah!

Processors in the current iPads have already been benched at faster speeds than last years MBP which many folk use daily for running it. And the majority of Apps have far better CPU and memory utilization than their desktop counterparts (we'll see of course.)

It sure sounds like the only ones that are getting vocally butthurt about this are the guys who seem to actually enjoy the desktop aspect of work.. well guess what ? It's on desktop still.
 
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We already have plenty of "little" solutions (and some quite elegant ones for that matter), including Photoshop and other Apps for iPads, iMacs, and all the other iGags. What we do not have is a workstation on which creatives can flex their muscles to push the envelope. I don't know what there is to democratize?

Define what a “workstation on which creatives can flex their muscles to push the envelope.” consists of that Apple is not currently providing? Are you basing your opinion on costs, specifications or some other intangible?

The “workstation” is a know quantity and has been for quite a while. At one time, a “workstation” was quite an expensive proposition for creatives to flex their muscles. Over time, the traditional desktop gained enough power and sophistication to supplant the “workstation” for many, many people. If not, companies and platforms such as Silicon Graphics, Sun Microsystems, DEC (Alpha), HP (PA-RISC), NeXT Computer (now Apple) and IBM (RS/6000) would still exist and be thriving. Instead, Apple, Microsoft, Intel, AMD, NVIDIA and countless others democratized the workstation over time so that a computer that once cost tens of thousands or, in some cases, hundreds of thousands of dollars now cost just a few thousand or less and do more than those “workstations” could ever hope to do no matter how much it cost.

The iPad is now taking it one step further, but it seems certain users thinks there would or should be no pain or compromise associated with this transition. Those users have either forgotten the pain of earlier transitions or were not alive to go through it and have simply reaped the benefits without the costs.

We are beginning a shift that makes more than a few people very uncomfortable. It makes me uncomfortable to a certain extent. Yet, these shifts have happened before. However, in the past, users did not have the internet and these forums to express their discontent as they do now. Some days, I wonder if we were better off, but I digress.
 
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To run Photoshop, you need both precision and no smear on the screen.
What would make the iPad a favorable solution (apart from drawing dollar signs in Tim’s eyes) ?
 
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Define what a “workstation on which creatives can flex their muscles to push the envelope.” consists of that Apple is not currently providing? Are you basing your opinion on costs, specifications or some other intangible?

Try working on a digital piece of artwork that is 20.000+ pixels wide and sports 300+ layers. I dare you.
And how about rendering some 3D fractals while you are at it in the background...

Also, Photoshop aside, as long as we have to wait hours for a still 3D image to be rendered I will never cease to call current computers insufficient and ridiculously slow. It is the nature of the beast that bleeding edge machines will be expensive at first, but we need those as they help pave the way for new technology to become available for consumers at lower prices.
If you don't see that monster machine that can render virtual reality in 8k in realtime at some show nobody will see the need for its application, but at the moment people see it they will want it. And there the market opens for stronger machines to be successfully mass-marketed and therefore being produced at a lower cost. Evolution is to move forward, what Apple celebrates right now is closer to a standstill. A small minded way of thinking, filling the app gaps in mobile devices without real excitement. That's no vision, that is making a quick buck. There's a difference and without a vision the areas where you can make a quick buck will be drying out sooner or later.
 
Try working on a digital piece of artwork that is 20.000+ pixels wide and sports 300+ layers. I dare you.
And how about rendering some 3D fractals while you are at it in the background...

Also, Photoshop aside, as long as we have to wait hours for a still 3D image to be rendered I will never cease to call current computers insufficient and ridiculously slow. It is the nature of the beast that bleeding edge machines will be expensive at first, but we need those as they help pave the way for new technology to become available for consumers at lower prices.
If you don't see that monster machine that can render virtual reality in 8k in realtime at some show nobody will see the need for its application, but at the moment people see it they will want it. And there the market opens for stronger machines to be successfully mass-marketed and therefore being produced at a lower cost. Evolution is to move forward, what Apple celebrates right now is closer to a standstill. A small minded way of thinking, filling the app gaps in mobile devices without real excitement. That's no vision, that is making a quick buck. There's a difference and without a vision the areas where you can make a quick buck will be drying out sooner or later.
It seems like pros these days use cloud computing to spin up the dozens or hundreds of CPUs/GPUs to do any really heavy lifting, whether artistic like rendering, or scientific/engineering tasks. I’m sure there’s still a place for the single $5k-100k+ HP-Z style workstations but it seems many businesses would rather offload to the cloud.
 
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It seems like pros these days use cloud computing to spin up the dozens or hundreds of CPUs/GPUs to do any really heavy lifting, whether artistic like rendering, or scientific/engineering tasks. I’m sure there’s still a place for the single $5k-100k+ HP-Z style workstations but it seems many businesses would rather offload to the cloud.

Sometimes the cost of spinning up these servers is not necessary.

When you have everything in the cloud, you are now incurring a subscription type of cost which adds up quickly if you are not careful. Every CPU upgrade, every CPU utilization increase, and every request incurs micro expenses. Cloud computing from the beginning was really a way to save cost on physical space, the need to hire server ops staff, and electricity.

At former companies I worked at, we had Avid workstations for building media transcode flows. Doing it in the cloud doesn't necessarily provide the best immediate result, especially if you are trying to hook into local Isilon clusters.

It still makes sense for some companies and individuals to have physical machines that do this.
 
How do you make apps for iOS?
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Have you used Photoshop before? You don’t need a high end work station to run it, so I’m not sure where you spout these myths
I’ve said it before, as soon as Apple ports Xcode to iOS start your countdown clocks.
 
I’ve said it before, as soon as Apple ports Xcode to iOS start your countdown clocks.

Só we will need a keyboard and mouse support for iOS. If they do this, great. I hope they bastardize and cannibalize the Mac ecosystem in favor of iOS, and let the results speak for themselves
 
Try working on a digital piece of artwork that is 20.000+ pixels wide and sports 300+ layers.
I haven't upgraded beyond CS6 simply because working on a file that big often leads to headaches where the software is trying to play catch up. I know the cloud provides some improvements in the optomization department, but it still isn't where I'd like it to be.
I doubt making Photoshop iPad compitable is going to help the desktop side in the least bit.
 
Só we will need a keyboard and mouse support for iOS. If they do this, great. I hope they bastardize and cannibalize the Mac ecosystem in favor of iOS, and let the results speak for themselves

You already have keyboard support and the pencil.

I doubt making Photoshop iPad compitable is going to help the desktop side in the least bit.

But will it hurt ?
 
why would anyone want to photo retouch on a toy screen when a gorgeous LG 43UD79-B is $600 ?

People will not get anything serious done on an iPad that's for sure

is this Timmy telling Phil to push the iPad ?
 
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