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Apple's Private AI Will Run on Google's Servers
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Where are you getting your misinformation?
They don't just handover the data to Google and let them run with it. They rented the server capacity from Google but there's still a lot of work to be done when it comes to how they process it.
Would be “What happens on your iPhone, goes to train google’s AI and helps google to target your data.”
It's literally right there in the article. Did you even read it?
PCC standards aren't even implemented yet. Maybe read the whole article.
I did. The article doesn’t claim even remotely that Apple is yet to implement PCC on Google’s servers. It merely mentions the official statement from them. But we've known for a while that the work has been going on for months now since they announced the partnership.
Not a single word in the article suggests that Apple is simply handing over the data to Google and expecting them to handle everything for them. Apple does all the work to ensure they're private and secure, which I stated in my previous response to you. If you need any more info on this, feel free to look it up.
PCC on Google Cloud is not fully implemented, and Apple plans to gradually add the full set of protections throughout the beta testing process.
So during the beta testing process there is no PCC on Google Cloud. I have a bridge to sell you if you don't think Google can't access that data.
Naraxus
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So, do you believe that Apple will hand over all of their customer data to Google willingly?
Because all you are repeating is marketing spam, not facts. You think that because you think it is that way that neither Google or Apple would lie about it. Most of use don't think that way.
No link required, if Google is processing it, they have to have access to unencrypted data. Therefor they can steal the data just like they steal other data.
TVreporter
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I really hope one day we get an in-depth documentary on just who dropped the ball with AI at Apple. Mindboggling how they let it all slide and now rely on one of their top rivals known for data mining and a lack of privacy protocols.
I’ll wait for the Pepsi/Coca-cola tandem soft drink!
I’ll wait for the Pepsi/Coca-cola tandem soft drink!
thebart
macrumors 6502a
It's a different situation when your data and query have to be fed through Google's model and processed. It's like passing a tamper proof box via a 3rd party vs having that party open and re-close the box and trusting that they're not tampering with or noting down the content. Can be done, but demands different level of trust and verification.
You might as well just post your information on the dark web and cut out the middleman.
Chawkida21
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As the kids say "citation needed." Apple has an interesting paper on expanding PCC but I think this (longish) read from the Time of India provides a really decent breakdown of what's going on with Apple Intelligence. Maybe it's all just lies but other than the gut feelings of internet forum posters there's no indication that's the case.
(For people genuinely curious, the ToI article gets into enough detail to be interesting.)
You’re insane if you don’t think google will be going thru your devices. It will happen, and you will see a report on macrumors about it in a year or two.
This is a straight up lie. Have you ever read any of Apples numerous security white papers where they describe how their services work? Clearly not.
No. It’s because I read Apple documentation on how their services work.
I challenge you to provide a technical explanation on why Apple is just using “marketing” and how you think my data is being compromised
Or you can admit you’re simply lying in this thread without a shred of evidence to back your claims.
Apple currently passes data through their own servers (for example, when encrypting your data before being stored on Google servers). Apple stores the encryption keys plus any data relating to who the random chunk of meaningless data Google stores belongs to. This way Apple can later retrieve that meaningless chunk of data, decrypt it and send it back to the rightful owner (me) without Google ever having any idea what just transpired. Other than they stored a chunk of data for someone.
If Apple is doing something similar with AI then they absolutely have a valid reason to roll this out in stages.
The data goes through google servers regardless if they go through Apple servers at the beginning. PCC is not even implemented yet so in this stage Google can access whatever data they want. Also Siri AI is beta in iOS 27 which is beyond pathetic and not available in the EU.
Siri AI will be available In beta later this year and requires an Apple Intelligence–enabled device set to a supported language. Available in English to start. Siri AI will not initially be available in the EU on iOS and iPadOS.
Solid content.
As somebody who runs Very Large™ PII-encumbered workloads on AWS and GCP, I have zero concerns about this.
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Beta servers probably should not be used for production workload. While they are working on getting the system working correct (i.e., the Beta process) they can use non customer data to test with.
There is a twisted presumption here that it is only Google servers they have access to. More than likely Apple has their own PCC servers which are well past the 'beta' stage. Their problem isn't that they are 'beta' , but that they likely don't scale up to 10's of millions of relatively active users.
That statement by Apple is more likely an escape clause when they either start putting in higher rate limits and/or date slide the roll out by weeks/months later to adjust to the lower scale. The Google servers are for larger scale with faster response times; not for a 'working' system.
Very likely Gemini has been ported to the Apple Silicon PCC. But it is a bit of mismatch in hardware so won't scale up to max range one workload.
P.S. "... However, until today, those primitives have never been integrated into a comprehensive, end-to-end confidential inference pipeline capable of operating at global scale. That’s what we’ve done with PCC on Google Cloud, which incorporates PCC’s exceptional security and privacy properties at every stage, including the industry’s most comprehensive transparency guarantees that allow external security researchers to verify our privacy commitments. ..
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- To mitigate the risk of supply chain attacks, we maintain a cryptographically verifiable, append-only ledger of all Google Cloud hardware that is part of the PCC fleet. For components that could be abused to exfiltrate user data if compromised, our software attestation is rooted in at least two separate roots of trust from independent vendors.
Expanding Private Cloud Compute - Apple Security Research
Alongside the next generation of Apple Intelligence, today we’re expanding Private Cloud Compute (PCC) beyond Apple’s data centers. When Apple introduced Private Cloud Compute in 2024, we defined a new frontier for private AI inference, extending the security and privacy of Apple devices into...
[ So note: once put the hardware into the 'fleet' isn't really possible to take it out. So extremely likely not going to put servers in unless really need them. Again goofy to deploy the servers into production if haven't throughly testing the system under test loads. ]
This can't run on a 'random' subset of Google Cloud. So also likely part of the 'beta' process here is how to weave the Google Cloud operational processes into the narrower subset of equipment that will be PCC 'only'. The data isn't necessarly 'in doubt' here , but the management probably is. And if mismanage the keys then pretty good chance nobody gets the data. That would be a 'beta' sytsem that would need fixing .
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