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Apple's Prototype iPhone 5S Based on New A7 Chip

Just 10,100?

TimeSquareDesi said:
Agreed! Just over the weekend, I surpassed 10,100 pictures on my 64gb iPhone 5. Between those pics, videos and my music, I still have about 9 gigs free... but I like the extra breathing room! bring on the 128gb iphone 5s!
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Heck, tell mi esposa to gitter dang fingers off the camera! 17,500 and counting...You'll never catch up. Gimme some gigs, Apple. (Meanwhile, iTunes and Time Machine are busy. I wouldn't even think of assigning much in the way of pix to iCloud.)
 
IP Call option?

I don't know if this would be a SW, HW, or a combination, but I've seen a feature on some Android and Windows phones where you can use your WiFi router is used as a cell tower if you don't live in an area where there's any cell coverage. I'm not talking about using an app that supports a VoIP service like Skype. Anyone hear if this will be an option for the iPhone to come? My house is in a dead zone, and not having this as an option was a major deal breaker in renewing my original iPhone contract with ATT when it expired 4 years ago, and what makes me hesitant to upgrade it. I would snatch at one of these other 'Droid phones, but my household is very Apple-centric, and I'd hate to lose all that.
 
MacRumors said:
...as well as a clear view of the rear camera system with dual-LED flash.

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Rear camera, microphone, and dual-LED flash on prototype iPhone 5S​

Article Link: Apple's Prototype iPhone 5S Based on New A7 Chip
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Is this possibly using tech. from DSLR's with infrared(ish) light to help focus in dark scenes? Otherwise, warming things up for skin tones rather than the harsh white/blue of the current LED? :confused:

EDIT: Post above beat me to it!
 
theSuit said:
Look at the bottom left of the 5S, the 2 homebutton prongs on the iPhone 5 are replaced by a small connector - likely to support a touch button/fingerprint scanning sensor.

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Edit:Here's the iPhone 5's connector for comparison:
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I'm guessing they'll implement a trackpad-like wide homebutton which is still clickable. That way you can swipe left and right in Safari and other apps, swipe the homebutton to unlock (with fingerprint sensing), and use it as a cool little game controller.

I could see no other need for more pins going to the home button.
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Great catch! I can see them adding slide functionality as you can now slide up to have the quick-settings (wifi, sound, etc.), slide down for notifications, slide left to go back a panel (isntead of pressing back button), and the new multitask switch is friendly with finger slides. Really looks like they are getting ready for some sort of trackpad home-button to help with navigation.
 
apolloa said:
I would comfortably state your claim that Android with 'less then' 2GB of Ram is unstable as utter rubbish. Having a Nexus 7 with 1GB of Ram and the latest Android versions and it hasn't skipped a beat. Don't talk fud please. 2GB of ram is overblown for any current device IMO.

As I already stated, you can have as much ram as you want and as many cores as you want but the iOS device will STILL be the exact same speed as it is now in use, because of Apple's slow animations it insists on using.
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I and many others have had stability issues with our N7, plus some serious scrolling lag. It has improved in recent months to my experience, but 4.2.2 gave me some headaches for a while.

Why wife's s3 is way slower in virtually every category despite having 2gigs (still a great phone IMHO). I agree that this "need" for 2gigs on the 5s is based less on actual need and more and the belief that bigger is necessarily better.
 
Zerilos said:
I and many others have had stability issues with our N7, plus some serious scrolling lag. It has improved in recent months to my experience, but 4.2.2 gave me some headaches for a while.
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There are some apps that are just crap. Chrome, for being the default browser, was an utter POS. When the HTC One was released I gave the installed version of Chrome what I like to call the ESPN test. Go to ESPN.com and witness the choppy scrolling. Maybe it's been fixed since then, but that scrolling bug was in Chrome for at least 6 months. I'm not even kidding people! I used Chrome on a Nexus 7 shortly after the N7 was released.

The Verge was another website that just sucked on Chrome.
 
duffman9000 said:
There are some apps that are just crap. Chrome, for being the default browser, was an utter POS. When the HTC One was released I gave the installed version of Chrome what I like to call the ESPN test. Go to ESPN.com and witness the choppy scrolling. Maybe it's been fixed since then, but that scrolling bug was in Chrome for at least 6 months. I'm not even kidding people! I used Chrome on a Nexus 7 shortly after the N7 was released.

The Verge was another website that just sucked on Chrome.
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Yeah, it feels like Android needs Quad Core Krait's and 2GB of RAM for smooth operation, anything less is just unacceptable these days. Nexus 7 seems to be based on a HW level similar to International S3, which isn't horrible, at all, but at this point slightly dated.
 
Mago said:
Seems this update wil be only an speed boost, no new features as NFC or fingerprint scanner... pity:apple:
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Isn't that an NFC aerial on top of the battery?

It's some sort of new aerial, not sure what else it would service.
 
Tyrion said:
1 GB RAM just doesn't cut it anymore... ....I'd love to replace my crappy 4S, but Apple is making it very, very hard.
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I'm in the same situation. My 4S isn't quite as snappy because its shuffling around memory quite frequently. Especially when switching apps or having lots of webpages open. I'm not even convinced that 1GB will cut the mustard for long.

But this is only a very early prototype (September-December).

What I want to see most of all is upgraded 4G with better frequency assignments. The current iPhone 5 is incompatible with most 4G networks out there.
 
littyboy said:
quad core + 2GB RAM or NO sale...

who gives a **** about fingerprint sensor...
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I'd guess Apple probably will add extra cores since it's an easy marketing point and probably easier than moving to a new architecture at this point. However I wonder, why is everyone so obsessed with the number of cores? On a mobile where you do not have so many threads running on the background and the GPU taking a lot of processing, wouldn't a faster dual core be more preferable over a quad core chip?

Also is this the generation where the Rogue GPU architecture makes its debut? That might be an even bigger news than the improvements in the CPU.
 
pdqgp said:
So will Apple ever LISTEN and allow us to insert our own storage card.....
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I'm pretty sure thats a NEVER. Letting you add your own storage would mean they would lose profits. Losing money = absurd on Apple's end

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fertilized-egg said:
I'd guess Apple probably will add extra cores since it's an easy marketing point and probably easier than moving to a new architecture at this point. However I wonder, why is everyone so obsessed with the number of cores? On a mobile where you do not have so many threads running on the background and the GPU taking a lot of processing, wouldn't faster dual core be more preferable over quad core?

Also is this the generation where the Rogue GPU architecture makes its debut? That might be an even bigger news than the improvements in the CPU.
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Well I'm fine with dual core (for now), but I'm thinking about the future. I need it to last for 2 years so I do want the most power. Not gonna whip out $600 for old tech.
 
bmw3wags said:
I myself am hoping for a Quad-Core Processor but I'm hoping that Apple implements it with a big.LITTLE configuration. We all know that Apple's A6 Swift Cores are a customized chip that are similar to ARM's CortexA15. These more powerful cores mixed with lower powerful but similar Cortex-A7 cores (still more powerful then the Cortex-A9's used in the Apples A5 chip by around 20% and more power efficient by 60%). This will allow for better battery life by offloading less demanding processes to the A7 and more demanding ones will be saved for the A15. This will help Apple to really increase the battery life of the next iPhone while maintain strong performance.
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Samsung S4 already does exactly this: http://tinyurl.com/q8v3kau

In fact the Samsung hardware currently appears to be streets ahead of the iPhone in many respects.

But its the total package that counts . . . .
 
trims said:
Samsung S4 already does exactly this: http://tinyurl.com/q8v3kau

In fact the Samsung hardware currently appears to be streets ahead of the iPhone in many respects.

But its the total package that counts . . . .
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Yeah but I expect Apple to do this with a Quad-Core implementation rather then Samsung's OCTA-Core but I also expect apple to put a Pover VR 6-Series GPU in it.

As far as I can remember for iOS devices they have been the front runners for implementation of the more powerful mobile GPU's but for the CPU they are usually slightly behind compared to say High-End Android handsets. This doesn't matter though because iOS is built differently and utilizes its SOC differently then Android. So it doesn't really do any good to compare specs between them. All that matters is how smoothly it runs.
 
Rogifan said:
So the new iPhone will have an A7 chip. Color me shocked. :eek:
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Exactly. A new iPhone/iPad comes out, and it has an Apple-designed A(n+1). And of all the issues mentioned in the article, this is what they make the headline of? G-sus.

I mean, I'd credit it newsworthy if they'd have the SoC's specs or if it was not an An chip.
How about:
"Apple's Prototype iPhone 5S Based on Itanium-chip"???

RGDS,
 
fjpoblam said:
Heck, tell mi esposa to gitter dang fingers off the camera! 17,500 and counting...You'll never catch up. Gimme some gigs, Apple. (Meanwhile, iTunes and Time Machine are busy. I wouldn't even think of assigning much in the way of pix to iCloud.)
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man, that's intense! but that's why i love this phone because im sure with 17,500 pics, it still runs beautifully unlike the blackberry i had a few years back. you put over 100 pictures on it and the phone came to a freaking crawl.

yeah, a 128gb iphone would be awesome.
 
White Red LED

To me it the bottom LED looks redish which makes me think of nightvision. This could maybe allow for almost total darkness photo shot. Just my thoughts. Obviously you would not get a lot of distance, but definitely get atleast some distance in a room.

Just my take

Mike
 
Mago said:
Seems more just PCB signal lines, NFC uses an spiral.

BTW NFC is not so important as fingerprint scanner (from my approach).
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Bit hard to tell if it's spiral or not. seems to be at least two different zones. large one the a smaller tighter zone at top. pattern seems very similar to iPhone 5 case mystery channels.


intradox said:
Great catch! I can see them adding slide functionality as you can now slide up to have the quick-settings (wifi, sound, etc.), slide down for notifications, slide left to go back a panel (isntead of pressing back button), and the new multitask switch is friendly with finger slides. Really looks like they are getting ready for some sort of trackpad home-button to help with navigation.
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Although wouldn't a whole bunch of fine wire traces of an part that moves as much the home button be bad?
Do like the idea and it's not a problem with the laptop track pads.
 
pdqgp said:
So will Apple ever LISTEN and allow us to insert our own storage card.....
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littyboy said:
I'm pretty sure thats a NEVER. Letting you add your own storage would mean they would lose profits. Losing money = absurd on Apple's end
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That's the sad part. I can appreciate Apple takes many of the tweaks from the Jailbreak community and integrates them into the next gen product, but if they are TRULY about creating a wonderful experience with their product, then let us insert our own storage cards! It's plain ridiculous that they don't.
 
trims said:
Samsung S4 already does exactly this: http://tinyurl.com/q8v3kau

In fact the Samsung hardware currently appears to be streets ahead of the iPhone in many respects.
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Ironically Samsung themselves have quietly disagreed about that. The big.little implementation of the new Exynos apparently doesn't work all that well and has been cited as one of problems of the new Exynos, which led Samsung to use more Qualcomm chips over their own Exynos for Galaxy S4.
http://www.sammobile.com/2013/05/30...disappointments-and-their-current-soc-future/

Also calling it "octacore" is just completely misleading. There's no performance gain to be had over quadcore but calling it octa implies that.
 
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