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I like both IOS and macOS devices, I'm not a fan of conversion, but they all have specific pieces of the market place they can cover, and need to be covering.

Ipad/Iphone : Consumption devices with limited data entry and image capability.
macOS: Both consumption and creation devices. We need Apple to get into a Devops mindset that can continuously improve and build devices on atleast a annual device across all platforms. macOS needs significant investment as competitors are slowly gaining the market place.
 
Renewed focus on iPad? Did I miss something. I have a 9.7" Pro. It's nice and all but it didn't take the bulk of Apple's engineering power to develop. I mean it doesn't even have 3D Touch or a 2nd gen Touch ID. And then there is what seems to be a bastard child Mini which wasn't even updated. So c'mon to suggest Macs took a hit because Apple was full force working on iPads is a pure unadulterated cop out. Mac took a hit because Apple has gotten fat and lazy. That really goes for all its products, none of which are really standouts anymore, just better than their average competitors and a little help from exploding batteries.
 
I think it'd be a wise decision for any one of those guys to do as Gigabyte does and make their laptops be 'secretly' capable of being Hackintoshed. Just slap in some more mainstream parts like the wifi card, soundcard, an AMD GPU (since Apple stupidly didnt go with the Pascal cards from Nvidia), etc. and you'd have a real winner and best of both worlds.


The current XPS 15 is rated at 97% hackintoshable, which is one of the highest.
 
Why? Enlighten me on why the average student needs a touchscreen. I need to know so I can good choices for my grandkids.

Correct me if things have dramatically changed over the last 5 years, but an average student in the old days would mostly attend classes / lectures and take hand-written notes. What a coincidence you can do that just fine with a convertible/touchscreen notebook accompanied by a stylus (as a bonus, as compared to a paper, you can record the audio track and maybe even video of the lecture synchronized with the notes, alongside the notes themselves).
 
I don't even remember the last time i used my iPad Air 2. Clueless Timmy thinks they are the future??? Sorry Timmy but my 13" late 2011 MBP (upgraded to a 1 TB SSD and 16GB Ram) is the real future here.. Use it every day for work and real pro tasks.. in fact im about to put my iPad Air 2 up for sale in Ebay?? Any offers? I would even trade it for a NES CLASSIC edition... PM me

Totally agree the iPad Air 2 isn't a Mac replacement, but I really like using mine for web browsing, checking out YouTube, taking notes, play music, read emails, use messaging services, look at photo and videos, soccasional gaming etc. To me it's like an extension of my Mac – I definitely think has a place. But again: a computer replacement it is not.

Don't think you will have any problem selling it.
 
Better Headline - Tim Cook Left Apple Behind This Year.

1. Removed 3.5mm headphone jack from iPhone
2. Made the Macbook Pro less pro
3. Neglected iMac
4. Ditched Display Business
5. Has made a loyal Apple customer not find any interest in any product in the Apple store

Get that man out of there. Please. Seriously.

-Signed Mac Pro Tower 2012 / 15 inch Macbook Pro 2011 / iPhone 6 user
I couldn't agree more. Tim Cook is about as exciting as wallpaper and he has no product vision whatsoever. I've been a huge fan and consumer of Apple products for the past twelve years, yet currently I am experimenting with Windows and Linux, as I really have no confidence whatsoever in the future of the Mac.
 
Ah you are mistaking the legacy IR sensor for the new Thunderballs connector.

Which will be needed to connect the all new Magic Cookstick.

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I underestimated you!
 
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Go into a university lecture hall 5 years ago... it's wall-to-wall glowing Apples.

Go today? It's 90% Surface Pro 4s.

Students have already decided, and Apple is yesterday's fad.

This surprises me. I have two kids in college, and when I visit them at their universities, 80% (obviously an impression not an accurate estimate) of what I see are Macs. I don't ever remember seeing a Surface Pro. The MBA is very popular because of the cost and portability.

I am not doubting you....just a bit surprised. My kids go to east coast schools (Georgetown and William & Mary), so maybe the trend to Surface Pros is moving west to east. If this is truly happening, I think Apple has a real problem. I understand many folks on this thread are focused on Apple's higher end products, but I am more concerned about the entry level. Apple absolutely must have an attractive up-to-date entry level laptop to capture the student market and future customer base.

Maybe they will drop the price of the 2015 MBP, give it a modest processor update, and replace one of the ports with USB-C. Probably not.....but that would help. Or, perhaps over the next couple of years, we will see the price of the rMB drop closer to the $1,000 magic entry level price point.
 
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It's over.

Couldn't resist this slightly adapted Roy Orbison song:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iABFZGzEjY

The applause in the beginning was for when the products were "magical"

"It's Over"

Your Apple doesn't love you anymore
Golden days before they end
Whisper "Hello again" to the wind
Your Apple won't be near you any more

Emojis and wristbands before they fly
Ignore all "Pros" that seem to cry
Your Apple doesn't want you anymore
It's over

It breaks your heart in two, To know the pipeline's been untrue
But oh what will you do? Then they said to you
Surface is new We're through We're through
It's over It's over It's over

All the pipelines in the sky
Start to weep, then say goodbye
You won't be seeing Macs any more
Make things thinner before they fall, Echo to you that's all that's all
But you'll see courage after all

It's over It's over It's over It's over
 
This surprises me. I have two kids in college, and when I visit them at their universities, 80% (obviously an impression not an accurate estimate) of what I see are Macs. I don't ever remember seeing a Surface Pro. The MBA is very popular because of the cost and portability.

I am not doubting you....just a bit surprised. My kids go to east coast schools (Georgetown and William & Mary), so maybe the trend to Surface Pros is moving west to east. If this is truly happening, I think Apple has a real problem. I understand many folks on this thread are focused on Apple's higher end products, but I am more concerned about the entry level. Apple absolutely must have an attractive up-to-date entry level laptop to capture the student market and future customer base. Maybe they will drop the price of the 2015 MBP, give it a modest processor update, and replace one of the ports with USB-C. Probably not.....but that would help.

The MBA was a perfect student machine... and it's been abandoned by Apple

Apple spent years cultivating two market segments: students and creative professionals. That's why people are so angry with this release, they've abandoned both. It's too expensive for college kids, and too underpowered for creative professionals.

17 year olds these days expect touch as a standard interface - they've grown up with tablets - no matter what Apple pretends.
 
The Microsoft Surface Studio gets better looking every day. I live or die by the Adobe Creative Suite and would really like to buy three new Macs (not old Macs at new prices).
 
Better Headline - Tim Cook Left Apple Behind This Year.

1. Removed 3.5mm headphone jack from iPhone
2. Made the Macbook Pro less pro
3. Neglected iMac
4. Ditched Display Business
5. Has made a loyal Apple customer not find any interest in any product in the Apple store

Get that man out of there. Please. Seriously.

-Signed Mac Pro Tower 2012 / 15 inch Macbook Pro 2011 / iPhone 6 user

I think some fresh blood at Apple is desperately needed and I wouldn't be surprised if there's some people in Cupertino who feel the same way.
 
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More like people don't want to buy outdated MacBook <2016 and neither want to buy 2016 models that are excessively expensive.

Clearly this is because people don't want to buy Macs anymore. The iPad is where it's at now. Tim Cook was right.
 
honestly I have to disagree. the under the hood changes started with Yosemite and progressing under El Cap and Sierra such as SIP have made it much more difficult to get it going for novices. folks who know what they're doing can get a much more close to 100%, but things like USB3 fixes and the steadily worsening support for newer nVidia GPUs are making it much more difficult to get a workable hack. Mavericks period was really the "golden age" of Hackintosh IMO

Nope, it's still easy if you choose from the recommended hardware and can manage to follow a simple, and not very long, set of instructions. Of course if you can't then a hack isn't for you. The laptop side's more difficult but always has been. Clover disables SIP.
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The Microsoft Surface Studio gets better looking every day. I live or die by the Adobe Creative Suite and would really like to buy three new Macs (not old Macs at new prices).

The display part of it looks great, shame it can't be hooked up to a PC, the processing/graphics would be a downgrade for me. And of course shame it doesn't run osx which is so much nicer to use for photoshop and illustrator.
 
I have been hearing/reading about the post PC (meaning traditional computers, not just MS OS ones) era since after the end of PC gaming. PC gaming died apparently, in the late 1980s with the explosion of the consoles. PC gaming continued to die well in the 90s. At some point, with Bill Gates at the front, the end of the PC was starting too. To be replaced by several other devices, even the TV. PC continued to die into the 2000s and now in late 2016, the PC is still dying. It's amazing how many times and for how many years the PC is dying/dead. *sarcasm*

The only people who truly believe the PC (again, not just MS based ones, but Macs, Linux etc) is dead or about to die are the same morons preaching it for decades now, or the marketing people trying to push their own new devices to the flock, the sheep, the customers as they see them.

It's kinda like that moment when Larry Ellison went on Dateline and 20/20 to push his idea about PCs being replaced by thin clients.

SJ may have been somewhat accurate in talking about PCs eventually being used more like trucks after the iPad was introduced but unfortunately, Apple has not done much to really fully develop the idea behind the iPad with it's software to be more useful as a PC replacement than what was created at that time of it's birth. The iPad Pro is still the same thing just with it's bling pencil (albeit a good pencil). Apple continues to make bling instead of something truly game changing in the way we do things. Apple lacks vision or someone that understands the technology and actually wants to do more with it instead of saran wrapping the next boxed up bling to profit from.

Maybe they should loosen it's product control from the executives down to the peons for good ideas. Not only is the hardware lacking but so is the software.
 
If that is true, where do they go from here? iPad has peaked and is now on the decline. iPhone has peaked (it will likely get a bump next year but the market is otherwise saturated). The Watch, while maybe not a bust, was certainly not the next great thing that Cook thought it was going to be.

While not "doomed", where is the growth in this company going to come from?
With iPad on decline, they accomplished that customers who don't buy a Mac don't buy an iPad either.
Anti-cannibalisation in 2016...
 
I think you guys are forgetting the elephant in the room here. Yeah I agree the situation sucks, but there's a perfectly logical explanation for this: Campus 2.

There's a reason why they're spending 5 billion on a new campus - they've run out of space to do work. You don't make this kind of decision lightly, so they obviously saw a need. So while their lineup has expanded, their work facilities haven't kept up. This limits the number of employees you can have (both logistically and legally speaking) in the current campus at any given time. I suspect Apple is stretched thin, and doesn't want to spend money to temporarily accommodate new employees at some offsite location, potentially causing more problems then solving them.

Let's also not forget Campus 2 is a couple years behind schedule. It was originally supposed to be opened in 2015, and we're almost 2017 now. This pretty much corresponds with when the Mac lineup started to suffer, which has been around 2 years now.

Anyway, I'm positive this huge undertaking has thrown more than a few wrenches into their product line. Between designing new products, management also has to plan the logistics of redesigning new workspaces, moving people to those new spaces. These things take a lot of time and energy. We're talking something like 13,000+ employees.

I'm fairly confident things will be back to normal, with regular updates, once Campus 2 is open and they've had time to iron whatever kinks arise from the move.
 
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I think some fresh blood at Apple is desperately needed and I wouldn't be surprised if there's some people in Cupertino who feel the same way.
Either that or the return of some really good "old" blood like Avie Tevanian and Bertrand Serlet (for the software part), who were present when Apple rocked. Or a combination of that old blood and some new blood. :)
 
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I think you guys are forgetting the elephant in the room here. Yeah I agree the situation sucks, but there's a perfectly logical explanation for this: Campus 2.

There's a reason why they're spending 5 billion on a new campus - they've run out of space to do work. You don't make this kind of decision lightly, so they obviously saw a need. So while their lineup has expanded, their work facilities haven't kept up. This limits the number of employees you can have (both logistically and legally speaking) in the current campus at any given time. I suspect Apple is stretched thin, and doesn't want to spend money to temporarily accommodate new employees at some offsite location, potentially causing more problems then solving them.

Let's also not forget Campus 2 is a couple years behind schedule. It was originally supposed to be opened in 2015, and we're almost 2017 now. This pretty much corresponds with when the Mac lineup started to suffer, which has been around 2 years now.

Anyway, I'm positive this huge undertaking has thrown more than a few wrenches into their product line. Between designing new products, management also has to plan the logistics of redesigning new workspaces, moving people to those new spaces. These things take a lot of time and energy. We're talking something like 13,000+ employees.

I'm fairly confident things will be back to normal, with regular updates, once Campus 2 is open and they've had time to iron whatever kinks arise from the move.

Well yeah, they obviously need the room or they wouldn't have built it. But don't tell me that stopped development, have they been sitting in parking lots?
 
Either that or the return of some really good "old" blood like Avie Tevanian and Bertrand Serlet (for the software part), who were present when Apple rocked. Or a combination of that old blood and some new blood. :)

I miss the AHIG mastermind Bruce Tognazzini, we could use some of his genius to bring order to the UX mess of late.
 
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