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When your computers are priced with the inflation prices of the year 2030, your specs are from the year 2012, and your strategy is to abandon current standards like USB-A, Ethernet, and headphone jacks...

Were you really expecting Mac sales to skyrocket?

FIRE TIM COOK, SAVE APPLE
Seriously?

Can you share with us your profession? I really want to understand you better.

USB-A, a standard? Would you demand we all go back to 1.0?

Here's the specs between USB A 3.1 and USB C

USB A 3.1 Gen 2 (latest version!!) = 10Gbs
USB C/Thunderbolt 3 = 40 Gbps

Which is better?
 
TBH, specifically regarding the Mac Pro, it is a beast of a computer.
I have one since mid 2014, 8 core dual D700s version, and being honest, I find zero reason to upgrade it. Performance wise it is still top notch.
For that sole reason, I understand why apple will not update it any time soon. Maybe when skylake-EP and DDR4 ECC memory becomes a bit more affordable, they will decide to upgrade it, but until then, for most requirements like 3D, video editing, I think I wouldn't hurry to upgrade it.

The iMac could use an update to skylake and polaris or pascal.

But of course, with the sales going down, and current systems are right now pretty well within great performance and upgrades give barely a few % of extra performance, reasons to upgrade are very low.
So my guess is apple are waiting for a small jump in tech in order to bring out update mac pro and iMac models next year.
Patiently - well, maybe not - I have waited for a new Mac Pro since my early 2008 Mac Pro has some age. I would not think about replacing it with a Mac Pro that is 3 or more years old at the beginning. I am hesitant to add any more RAM to it - it's at 16GB now.

Since the '80s I have been using Apple computers, mostly desktops, and this is the longest for an update to be postponed. Give it to us soon … but not at the prices currently being asked for 3-year-old computers.
 
Macrumors should write a script to repost this article every few months. Just change the date.

This article has been correct, timely, and relevant every single month since the late 00's!
 
I too see it panning out this way.
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Some (for example I) might argue that they are spreading themselves too thin. Not only are they developing/supporting too many things, each product line has too many variations (selling 2 generation old devices, etc).

Personally, i'd get rid of AppleTV and the Watch, unless they are transformed into something great (which seems unlikely given the current CEO).

The simplicity of the 4X4 product matrix with "good, better, best", was IMHO a great 'interface'/'language' the company used to communicate with customers. Now, the complexity in their offerings reminds me of the early 90s. (Albeit, they have a much healthier balance sheet this time around).

The similarities between Apple the first time it was without Steve Jobs and now without Steve Jobs again worries me (as far as the actual products go).

Apple's product lineup is already considered very lean for a company its size. The old 4x4 matrix worked well back when Apple was way smaller and had fewer resources at its disposal. Now, Apple is way larger, and needs to sell more devices, and the best way to do that is to target as many differing price points as possible. And if you don't want to compromise on features and margins, then selling older-gen hardware at discounted prices is really the most economical move.

I mean - we have 3 iPhone sizes, 4 iPad models, 4 laptop sizes (3 if you discount the MacBook Air), and 2 iMac variants. Compared to a company like Samsung or HP, it's already quite small.

I see much potential in the Apple Watch, and believe it needs more time to unleash its full potential. Just like how the iPhone didn't ship feature-complete on day one either.
 
This is hardly a news flash - Apple has lost the plot with Macs.

Their actions speak for themselves: they can't be bothered with computers. I believe that to be a mistake, and to an outsider it is inconceivable (yes, it does mean what I think it means) that a company as large as Apple doesn't have the resources to keep their computer lineup - the product that made the company - up to date. Or at least not embarrassing.
 
" Apple "pretty much forgot about Mac" in order to attack the 2-in-1 tablet segment with the release of iPad Pro models over the past year."

Why does Apple need such a huge new HQ if they can only concentrate on one segment at a time?

The new HQ is just a modern day garage. We all know Apple is a small company and can only focus on a few things at once. :)

Honestly, what do most people do there? The legal section must be the largest group, with all the constant appeals,overturns etc against Samsung. The legal system is a joke. Blind Freddy can see they significantly changed tack when the iPhone was introduced. Their tablets look more like Apple with every iteration. Rose Gold? Who would have thought that would be an industry wide colour?

I hope sometime soon Apple get back on track and start releasing products people want to buy or upgrade to. I finally get my finances back on track and Apple can't seem to find anything to tempt me with ;(
 
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Wow, check many of my posts.

TCO - Total cost of ownership. Less downtime, more productivity. I'm not a computer nerd that likes to tinker with hardware, I like to do my job and not futz around.

By the way, back in the late 90's and early 2k's all I ever did was restart my parking Mac while it froze. You had to be a computer nerd (and I was and I am, just would prefer not to make it my job) to keep your machine going all day. Yeah, ask around to any professional using Macs during that time and you'll hear it. And guess what, that was during the reign of Jobs...

And sorry, every discussion seems like "Tim sucks, Jobs is a God" mentality.

If anyone is a real student of Apple they would know how many failures Jobs had compared to wins. TC is doing fine, Apple is doing fine. I would 100% agree with everyone that they have missed opportunities to do better and to keep serious professionals happy. That has been their one glaring mistake.

But my entire point is simply that Tim Cook is not an evil man, a moron or even misguided. He is doing very well for Apple. If you read these forums you would think we were discussing a failing company. But I'll just keep buying Apple stock on the dips.
The Mac "in general" has a lower TCO than the average PC.
But today's Macs are not on par, performance wise.

3 years ago, the Mac lineup was pretty good.
Now? Not.

The late 90's were indeed during the "reign" of Jobs, but not during his implemented "vision". Mac OS 8/9, your primary suspect of crashing Macs, was wat Steve was trying to fase out. Mac OS X (Steve's vision for Mac OS), wasn't ready for the masses and that transformation needed time.

That's the whole point of the Tim Cook discussion: Tim clearly is NOT a product guy, therefore no product vision will be coming from him. and it shows.
Tim does well keeping Apple afloat by closing major deals (with other major companies and even countries) and trying to expand the market (make iOS more attractive to businesses and education).
But all these strategies are based on products that were already envisioned. The Apple products of today are existing products which are evolving: faster, thinner, remote manageable, etc.
IMHO (and others) in the long term (say another 5-10 years), Apple will suffer from not being able to innovate. Apple will simply be another personal-IT-device company, creating similar products to the competition.

Apple still has the upper-hand. IMHO, the iPhone is the best smartphone today. The iPad the best tablet today.
The MacBook Pro... well... the nicest (not the best), but also most expensive notebook today.
The iMac? The Mac Pro? The Mac mini? Like many.... I am waiting anxiously. You cannot recommend a desktop Mac to a friend today.

Tim vs. Steve is not villan vs. God, but non-visionair vs. visionair.
Apple and its fanbase are missing a visionair. That shows.
 
TCO - Total cost of ownership. Less downtime, more productivity.

TCO is being driven up by more expensive, less upgradeable/repairable machines.

My Mac Pro 1.1 served as my main computer from 2006-2010 (and would have gone far longer if I hadn't decided to switch to a laptop rather than upgrading the Pro). The 2011 MBP that replaced it is still my main machine (1 free hardware fix after 4 years). They were both expensive at the time - but were a huge performance boost over what they replaced and had a long useful life partly because of their upgradeable RAM and storage, so yes, the TCO was brilliant.

Now, we have the new MBPs - totally non-upgradeable, reliant on external drives or (slow) cloud storage to supplement the expensive SSD and barely more powerful than last-year's model (partly because of what chips are available, but also partly because of Apple's self-imposed constraints on size, heat and power). They're going to be landfill as soon as (a) the AppleCare runs out and anything goes wrong or (b) there's a step forward in SSD tech (Xpoint/Memristor/whatever... or just a drop in flash prices as SSD takes over and the volume rises). I just can't see these machines as 5 year+ keepers - more likely, they'll be outclassed by newer machines just around the time where those USB-C ports would start becoming an asset instead of a liability...

Add the higher prices, and the fact that many of us (your mileage may vary) will also have a 3-digit bill for cables & docks in order to keep using our existing & perfectly serviceable peripherals, and the result is a higher TCO.

As for less downtime... well, time will tell whether the apparent catalogue of faults on the new machines is just teething troubles + a bit of media spin or if they really are lemons.

Also, its worth bearing in mind that this isn't all to do with these particular machines somehow being an order of magnitude "worse" - the trends for non-upgradeability, higher prices, premature dropping of standard connectors (and, maybe, sloppier QA) go back some time - but its now that a lot of us have reached the tipping point. If we're not going to get the power, versatility and future-proof-ness we've seen from Apple in the past, we'll look at cheaper options that we don't need to live with for 5 years.

Maybe Apple's plan is that they will continue to sell Macs to the sort of people who buy a brand new BMW every 2 years just to look good in the company car park... except that business model rather depends on a thriving second-hand market.
 
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Let's face it: Apple wants to abandon the Mac Desktop line or the Mac in general on the long run because they see iOS and iPad Pro as the future. That is my impression - but it is strange why they don't discontinue products that are more than two years old (Mac Pro 2013)? The iMac Desktop line is dead...

You know, this is reminiscent of where Porsche was back in 1976 ... they developed the 928 because they believed that the "old, obsolete" 911 was dead and needed to be replaced.

The shame of it is that Steve Jobs said (paraphrasing) "...there will always be the need for a Truck..."
But all we've been getting from Apple has been cute looking Vespa Scooters.

-hh
 
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USB-A, a standard? Would you demand we all go back to 1.0?

We don't have to - USB 1.0 devices & cables plug straight into current USB-A sockets.

Which is better?

Irrelevant.

I don't think anybody is claiming that the new Macs shouldn't have USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 sockets. The problem is, they don't have anything else!

Keeping the ports of the 2015 rMBP and simply 'upgrading' the two TB2/MiniDisplayPort connections to USB-C/TB3 would have been perfect. OK, we'd be muttering about needing new monitor cables/VGA dongles, but that's not the same as needing new everything cables. Having the option of plugging in a single cable to a dock or TB display that also powered the computer would be great. Having to buy & carry a dock or multiport dongle just to use your existing peripherals - not so great.

USB3 devices with USB-A connections are still completely ubiquitous, whereas 40Gbps TB3 devices (esp. ones that actually need/use 40Gbps) are like hen's teeth and will probably remain so since USB 3 (which can run over USB-A just as well as USB-C) is cheaper and fast enough for many, many uses (SATA-3 drives max out at 6Gbps which is rarely approached in practice, better-than-1Gbps ethernet is confined to specialist server-room applications and shows no sign of spreading, while keyboards, mice, microphones, webcams and all but one iOS device only need USB2).

2015 MacBook pro: you could plug in your an external keyboard and/or mouse (USB-A #1), a backup drive (Thunderbolt #1), an ethernet dongle (Thunderbolt #2) an external display (HDMI) and a charger (Magsafe)... and still have a spare USB for when someone handed you a pen drive. The new machine only physically has 4 holes in it - forget the bandwidth - so you are forced to use a dock, hub or TB display. If you wanted to do that with the old machine, you could, but you didn't have to do it everywhere you used the machine.

(Cue: "well I never need to do those things, so its all OK")

It's not like the MBP could even take full advantage of 4x40Gbps ports (actually, 2 x 40Gbps + 2 x 20Gbps, because desktop i7 chips don't have enough PCIe lines to drive all 4) with a thermally-throttled mobile CPU and GPU.

The first two ports - good. The second two ports (at the expense of everything else) - sorry, that's just for the sake of delivering the "thinnest ever" MacBook Pro that nobody outside of Apple ever asked for.
 
Seriously?

Can you share with us your profession? I really want to understand you better.

USB-A, a standard? Would you demand we all go back to 1.0?

Here's the specs between USB A 3.1 and USB C

USB A 3.1 Gen 2 (latest version!!) = 10Gbs
USB C/Thunderbolt 3 = 40 Gbps

Which is better?

We are not taking about which is better performance, we are talking about what is more convenient.
Its no use for me to give me a bluray player in the year 1994 when my TV is a CRT and all movies are on VHS. Not even Apple's own iPhone 7 comes with a USB-C port, it comes with USB-A!
 
This is in response to The Luggage. I don't know why I missed quoting your post.


I liked your response because it was thorough. You are obviously very familiar with components so I would ask. Since a USB A port is not simply the port itself, it has to be attached to a controller card, etc., etc., is it really worth all that internal real estate? I think your point is you don't care about thin and light and would sacrifice that more flexibility. I think there are options in the world for you but as you know with Apple (YES EVEN UNDER STEVE JOBS) they often make decisions for their buyers and force trends. I'm one of those who doesn't mind but I do see there are those who feel let down.

Thanks for the thoughtful response. Appreciated.
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We don't have to - USB 1.0 devices & cables plug straight into current USB-A sockets.



Irrelevant.

I don't think anybody is claiming that the new Macs shouldn't have USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 sockets. The problem is, they don't have anything else!

Keeping the ports of the 2015 rMBP and simply 'upgrading' the two TB2/MiniDisplayPort connections to USB-C/TB3 would have been perfect. OK, we'd be muttering about needing new monitor cables/VGA dongles, but that's not the same as needing new everything cables. Having the option of plugging in a single cable to a dock or TB display that also powered the computer would be great. Having to buy & carry a dock or multiport dongle just to use your existing peripherals - not so great.

USB3 devices with USB-A connections are still completely ubiquitous, whereas 40Gbps TB3 devices (esp. ones that actually need/use 40Gbps) are like hen's teeth and will probably remain so since USB 3 (which can run over USB-A just as well as USB-C) is cheaper and fast enough for many, many uses (SATA-3 drives max out at 6Gbps which is rarely approached in practice, better-than-1Gbps ethernet is confined to specialist server-room applications and shows no sign of spreading, while keyboards, mice, microphones, webcams and all but one iOS device only need USB2).

2015 MacBook pro: you could plug in your an external keyboard and/or mouse (USB-A #1), a backup drive (Thunderbolt #1), an ethernet dongle (Thunderbolt #2) an external display (HDMI) and a charger (Magsafe)... and still have a spare USB for when someone handed you a pen drive. The new machine only physically has 4 holes in it - forget the bandwidth - so you are forced to use a dock, hub or TB display. If you wanted to do that with the old machine, you could, but you didn't have to do it everywhere you used the machine.

(Cue: "well I never need to do those things, so its all OK")

It's not like the MBP could even take full advantage of 4x40Gbps ports (actually, 2 x 40Gbps + 2 x 20Gbps, because desktop i7 chips don't have enough PCIe lines to drive all 4) with a thermally-throttled mobile CPU and GPU.

The first two ports - good. The second two ports (at the expense of everything else) - sorry, that's just for the sake of delivering the "thinnest ever" MacBook Pro that nobody outside of Apple ever asked for.
No idea why when I hit reply it did not attach to this post. See my post further down the thread.
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TCO is being driven up by more expensive, less upgradeable/repairable machines.

My Mac Pro 1.1 served as my main computer from 2006-2010 (and would have gone far longer if I hadn't decided to switch to a laptop rather than upgrading the Pro). The 2011 MBP that replaced it is still my main machine (1 free hardware fix after 4 years). They were both expensive at the time - but were a huge performance boost over what they replaced and had a long useful life partly because of their upgradeable RAM and storage, so yes, the TCO was brilliant.

Now, we have the new MBPs - totally non-upgradeable, reliant on external drives or (slow) cloud storage to supplement the expensive SSD and barely more powerful than last-year's model (partly because of what chips are available, but also partly because of Apple's self-imposed constraints on size, heat and power). They're going to be landfill as soon as (a) the AppleCare runs out and anything goes wrong or (b) there's a step forward in SSD tech (Xpoint/Memristor/whatever... or just a drop in flash prices as SSD takes over and the volume rises). I just can't see these machines as 5 year+ keepers - more likely, they'll be outclassed by newer machines just around the time where those USB-C ports would start becoming an asset instead of a liability...

Add the higher prices, and the fact that many of us (your mileage may vary) will also have a 3-digit bill for cables & docks in order to keep using our existing & perfectly serviceable peripherals, and the result is a higher TCO.

As for less downtime... well, time will tell whether the apparent catalogue of faults on the new machines is just teething troubles + a bit of media spin or if they really are lemons.

Also, its worth bearing in mind that this isn't all to do with these particular machines somehow being an order of magnitude "worse" - the trends for non-upgradeability, higher prices, premature dropping of standard connectors (and, maybe, sloppier QA) go back some time - but its now that a lot of us have reached the tipping point. If we're not going to get the power, versatility and future-proof-ness we've seen from Apple in the past, we'll look at cheaper options that we don't need to live with for 5 years.

Maybe Apple's plan is that they will continue to sell Macs to the sort of people who buy a brand new BMW every 2 years just to look good in the company car park... except that business model rather depends on a thriving second-hand market.

It think when there where a few thousand of us loyal Macintosh ssers (I started in 1985 with the original Macintosh to start my first business), not millions, we all tolerated the incredibly poor reliability. Why? We were pushing the boundaries of personal (in my case small business) computing. We knew that Aldus Pagemaker would crash 20 times a day, That Quark Xpress extensions would bork the application launch, we knew that running Macromind Director was a crapshoot.

Now that Apple Macs are used by millions of folks and their are multiple product lines, we are seeing more and more opportunities for launch failures, bugs and hardware issues. But honestly, going the other way and having to spend most of my time fine tuning drivers, BIOS, patches, hardware etc on my Windows machines is far less productive.

Also, have you had a hardware failure recently on any of the newer, less upgradable Macbook Pros? I have and Apple is amazingly good at taking it back for a few days and supplying a seemingly new machine for a reasonable price.

I too lament the loss of some configurability and keep my older MBP because I can literally swap out the battery AND HD in a few minutes. I can make a complete Carbon Copy of my desktop iMac when headed out long business assignments. But, I love the lightweight speed and convince of the new MBP for most everything else.

I do think the newer models, with proper repair, will be 5+ year keepers, we just won't be doing our own repairs on them.

I guess to each his own and I think your points are very good and well defended.
 
Since a USB A port is not simply the port itself, it has to be attached to a controller card, etc., etc., is it really worth all that internal real estate? I think your point is you don't care about thin and light and would sacrifice that more flexibility.

USB-C/TB3 ports need controllers as well, which aren't part of the standard chipset and they've squeezed two of those in to get two pairs of USB-C/TB3 - and both of those controllers need to be plumbed in to video outputs, too.

The standard chipset that accompanies the Intel Skylake processors provides a number of USB ports, - MacBooks need some of those to connect internal peripherals, looking at the system report is enlightening - so although it would undoubtably add some complexity to the logic board, it probably wouldn't need an extra controller.

Thin and light is great - but the 2015 rMBPs were already pretty thin & light considering the power they pack.

Apple could have simply bumped the 2015 rMBPs with new CPUs, GPUs and TB3 - probably back in the summer when the chips became available - and concentrated on a new 13" or 14" "retina MacBook" for the thin'n'crispy market (I believe the one Kaby Lake chip currently available is intended for that niche). They could even have stood up at WWDC and explained to the world why the current 2015 MacBook Pros were good for another year (its a strong argument once you understand that not all i7 processors are the same) and why it made sense for Kaby Lake next year.

Of course, we mustn't forget that Intel's delayed & chaotic release schedule is a factor here but, as consumers, we can reasonably ask why the biggest, most profitable brand in the world, who continually brag about their genius and courage, couldn't come up with a plan 'B'.

It think when there where a few thousand of us loyal Macintosh ssers (I started in 1985 with the original Macintosh to start my first business), not millions, we all tolerated the incredibly poor reliability.

I've been using PCs and Macs for about as long and I'd say that calling the reliability of Macs "incredibly poor" leaves no words to describe the PC/Windows systems of the day... especially if you were trying to do advanced graphics stuff that DOS wasn't really technically suitable for. Maybe the dark years at the turn of the century when Mac OS 9 had passed its sell-by date and OS X wasn't quite ready...
 
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USB-C/TB3 ports need controllers as well, which aren't part of the standard chipset and they've squeezed two of those in to get two pairs of USB-C/TB3 - and both of those controllers need to be plumbed in to video outputs, too.

The standard chipset that accompanies the Intel Skylake processors provides a number of USB ports, - MacBooks need some of those to connect internal peripherals, looking at the system report is enlightening - so although it would undoubtably add some complexity to the logic board, it probably wouldn't need an extra controller.

Thin and light is great - but the 2015 rMBPs were already pretty thin & light considering the power they pack.

Apple could have simply bumped the 2015 rMBPs with new CPUs, GPUs and TB3 - probably back in the summer when the chips became available - and concentrated on a new 13" or 14" "retina MacBook" for the thin'n'crispy market (I believe the one Kaby Lake chip currently available is intended for that niche). They could even have stood up at WWDC and explained to the world why the current 2015 MacBook Pros were good for another year (its a strong argument once you understand that not all i7 processors are the same) and why it made sense for Kaby Lake next year.

Of course, we mustn't forget that Intel's delayed & chaotic release schedule is a factor here but, as consumers, we can reasonably ask why the biggest, most profitable brand in the world, who continually brag about their genius and courage, couldn't come up with a plan 'B'.



I've been using PCs and Macs for about as long and I'd say that calling the reliability of Macs "incredibly poor" leaves no words to describe the PC/Windows systems of the day... especially if you were trying to do advanced graphics stuff that DOS wasn't really technically suitable for. Maybe the dark years at the turn of the century when Mac OS 9 had passed its sell-by date and OS X wasn't quite ready...
Thank you for the in-depth education on the hardware architecture. Please read that with no "snarkiness" attached, it is meant sincerely. I am really coming around to your thinking, I think my initial reaction is to the knee-jerk "Apple sucks today under TC, bring back the Apple under Jobs" posts. It seems Apple truly could have kept USB A around for at least one more product cycle without too much effort or compromise on size.

My comment on "incredibly poor reliability" is to emphasize to those who yearn for the Apple of yesterday, to think hard about just how difficult it was to get the job done without constant tinkering. I'm not saying the power supply would fail, the screen would fail – Apple seemed to get most of the hardware right – it was the system, font management, extensions and other functions that were highly unreliable. We all just accepted it because the other options were worse. I think that was your point about DOS...
 
I'm in the market for another desktop, and I'm shopping NUCs instead of Minis. We're an all-Mac family right now but if I buy a non-Mac desktop it might start an avalanche. I'm happy enough to keep buying iPhones, but it seems that's all that Apple is offering these days. I'll end up with a new MBP at some point since my company buys them for employees, but I wouldn't spend my own money on one. WTF Apple.
 



When looking at the current state of the Mac lineup, the new MacBook Pro is the only model Apple has updated over the past seven-plus months. Even the latest MacBook Pro models required a 527-day wait, which was considerably longer than the average of 320 days between previous MacBook Pro refreshes.

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A glance at our own MacRumors Buyer's Guide shows the new MacBook Pro is the only Mac currently listed with a "Buy Now" status, as all other models beyond the 12-inch MacBook have not been refreshed for significant periods of time. The longest overdue is the Mac Pro, last updated 1,084 days ago.o iMac -- 420 days ago
o MacBook Air -- 638 days ago
o Mac mini -- 782 days ago
o Mac Pro -- 1,084 days agoThe lack of updates can be at least partially attributed to Apple having to wait on chipmakers and suppliers such as Intel, AMD, and Nvidia, each of which follow their own product roadmaps, although that cannot be the only reason given Skylake processors are now readily available for update-deprived Macs.

A lack of meaningful updates to several Macs this year impacted Apple's bottom line, as Mac revenue has declined for four consecutive quarters year-over-year. The declines have worsened each quarter, starting with a 3% drop in Q4 2015 and progressing to a 17% drop in Q3 2016, according to Strategy Analytics.

Apple investors now await the company's first quarter earnings results to see if the new MacBook Pro models will be able to reverse that trend.

Conversely, after several down quarters, the iPad has experienced a mostly upward trajectory over the past year, thanks largely in part to the iPad Pro's higher average selling price. Apple's tablet revenue is now stable on a year-over-year basis, after dipping as low as -21% one year ago.

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Strategy Analytics senior analyst Eric Smith attributes the stabilizing effect to Apple's renewed focus on iPads. He said Apple entered the 2-in-1 tablet market with the iPad Pro and Smart Keyboard right in time to renew growth and capitalize on growing enterprise demand in the future.

Recognizing that Microsoft was changing the computing device market, Smith said Apple "pretty much forgot about Mac" in order to attack the 2-in-1 tablet segment with the release of iPad Pro models over the past year.Apple's move was rather effective, as iPad market share has stabilized at 22% over the past two years after declining for the previous four years. But it would seem it took a change in stance to get there as, in the past, Apple essentially dismissed the idea of releasing a tablet-notebook hybrid.

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During a 2012 earnings call, when asked to comment on why the MacBook Air and iPad would not eventually converge, Apple CEO Tim Cook argued that combining the products would result in compromises. "You can converge a toaster and a refrigerator but those won't be pleasing to the user," he said.

By contrast, earlier this year Apple released a TV ad called "What's a Computer?" that positions the iPad Pro as a computer. "Imagine what your computer could do if your computer was an iPad Pro," the tagline concludes.


Likewise, Cook said the iPad Pro is a notebook or desktop computer replacement for many people. "They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones," he added. "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?"

In the post-PC era, it is perhaps unsurprising that Apple's attention has shifted more towards the iPhone--and by extension, the iPad. But many faithful customers are hoping Apple will eventually turn its sights back to the Mac, following what some critics believe was a disappointing MacBook Pro update amid an aging lineup of Macs.

Rumors suggest Apple will launch new iMacs in the first six months of 2017, and at least one model is said to include an option for new AMD graphics chips. The roadmap for other Macs remains less clear.

Article Link: Apple's Renewed Focus on iPad Left the Mac Behind This Year
Can we add the new MacBook Pro to that wait list? I know it's new but left hope that next year we'll get a laptop truly worth of the pro name.
 
We don't have to - USB 1.0 devices & cables plug straight into current USB-A sockets.



Irrelevant.

I don't think anybody is claiming that the new Macs shouldn't have USB-C/Thunderbolt 3 sockets. The problem is, they don't have anything else!

Keeping the ports of the 2015 rMBP and simply 'upgrading' the two TB2/MiniDisplayPort connections to USB-C/TB3 would have been perfect. OK, we'd be muttering about needing new monitor cables/VGA dongles, but that's not the same as needing new everything cables. Having the option of plugging in a single cable to a dock or TB display that also powered the computer would be great. Having to buy & carry a dock or multiport dongle just to use your existing peripherals - not so great.

USB3 devices with USB-A connections are still completely ubiquitous, whereas 40Gbps TB3 devices (esp. ones that actually need/use 40Gbps) are like hen's teeth and will probably remain so since USB 3 (which can run over USB-A just as well as USB-C) is cheaper and fast enough for many, many uses (SATA-3 drives max out at 6Gbps which is rarely approached in practice, better-than-1Gbps ethernet is confined to specialist server-room applications and shows no sign of spreading, while keyboards, mice, microphones, webcams and all but one iOS device only need USB2).

2015 MacBook pro: you could plug in your an external keyboard and/or mouse (USB-A #1), a backup drive (Thunderbolt #1), an ethernet dongle (Thunderbolt #2) an external display (HDMI) and a charger (Magsafe)... and still have a spare USB for when someone handed you a pen drive. The new machine only physically has 4 holes in it - forget the bandwidth - so you are forced to use a dock, hub or TB display. If you wanted to do that with the old machine, you could, but you didn't have to do it everywhere you used the machine.

(Cue: "well I never need to do those things, so its all OK")

It's not like the MBP could even take full advantage of 4x40Gbps ports (actually, 2 x 40Gbps + 2 x 20Gbps, because desktop i7 chips don't have enough PCIe lines to drive all 4) with a thermally-throttled mobile CPU and GPU.

The first two ports - good. The second two ports (at the expense of everything else) - sorry, that's just for the sake of delivering the "thinnest ever" MacBook Pro that nobody outside of Apple ever asked for.

You need to send this to Tim Cook
 
So your first thought is to pirate macOS software? Stay classy, dude.

How about write to Apple? I think everyone who's pissed on this forum needs to send Tim Cook, Phil Schiller, etc. a message. I know I have. You get enough people to do so it'll make a difference.

Writing to Apple does nothing. They don't care. They most likely are reading these forums as well and all the stink that surrounds their terrible products and they still do nothing.

I'll stay classy, thanks.
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The sad thing is its a gorgeous looking machine.

At this point it's just a very very pretty paperweight.
 
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Apple will discontinue the entire Desktop Mac product range explaining it doesn't sell well enough like they have done with the Xserve, X-Raid, Server OS... it is always the same game that Apple plays - first you see Products that aren't updated over the years, then customers aren't buying it and Apple will argue nobody is buying them. But it is their fault...

I kind of agree, but wouldn't go so far and say that they will kill the whole desktop line as they need some diversity in their product portfolio. They will probably do less frequent hardware updates and make user upgrades impossible (everything soldered on the board) in order to make the shareholders happy. However, I would not be surprised if the Mac Mini would be killed as it's already treated like a neglected stepchild. It's a perfect entry Mac for switchers though.
I don't like the all-in-one (iMac) concept and the Mac Pro is too expensive and overkill for my use.
 
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It is strange. Considering how many they employ you'd think they could easily cope with phones, ipads and macs. I'd imagine it's more to do with lack of leadership than resources.

I'd say that it is more about where their resources are being diverted.

The HQ Spaceship and the Titan car will become two Case Study examples used in Business Schools within the next decade.

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How confident are you of Apple's continued support for FCP, given what happened to Aperture?


I think he knows ... because he said FCP, not FCPX.


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Apple did reintroduce phone sized devices again into the iPhone line up with the iPhone SE. So that's something good.

Yeah, the iPhone SE was a good recovery of a mistake they made ... but just how long has it now been since the SE was upgraded?


What a snotty reply. How about people that write multi-million dollar contracts, manage departments of analyst, make presentations on projects and budgets, send proposals to clients? You know folks that have real jobs and make an excellent living doing it, but never use photoshop or encode/edit video. I am talking about people with significant responsibilities that need to get **** done. Why do some folks on this form think that only their needs represent real work and describe everyone else as unsophisticated boobs posting cat photos on facebook.....give me a break!

Because it also holds true for us paper-pushers too: we still need to use the entire MS-Office suite (and Adobe Acrobat Pro), and copy/paste/organize/reformat key sections grabbed from file servers, emails, whatever ... and when we are able to use a big (and/or dual) screen setup and a great keyboard, we are dramatically more effective and productive, that's why.

And sure, iOS can be made to work, but it is comparatively inelegant and methodically slow due to the inherent UI limitations ... thus, it is at best a necessary evil for when you don't have the right tool at your disposal for the jobs at hand.


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I don't like all-in-one (iMac) concept

I wonder what they’re doing with it — 422 days since an update. Could it be going in the new mbp direction of thinner with more solder? Incidentally, I bought an iPhone 6 when the 7 came out without the headphone jack because its form factor is better without the adaptor. It isn’t as important whether my single vote counts as it is that I vote my convictions as a consumer. If more people did, I bet we’d get products more responsive to our needs. So my next phone will not be an iPhone if my next tower is not a Mac.

I understand the nmbp is selling well after the long wait, but that might just be the pent up demand of users running laptops a number of generations behind. The recent negative press should have at least a minor impact on how long users of more recent ones wait before they upgrade.
 
You need to send this to Tim Cook

Waste of breath.

Tim Cook stood up at the launch and said how important the Mac was to Apple. If you need to publicly re-iterate that the product on which the company was built (even the modern Apple created with the second coming of Jobs started with the Mac) is important to you, then something is amiss.

Call me cynical, tell me I've watched too much Yes, Minister, but I can't help hearing that as "I'd like to dump the Mac but I can't quite get away with it politically right now, but as soon as there's a good excuse it'll go".

If I *am* being too cynical, then Apple will be getting tons of feedback from big customers and its own market research, backed up by hard data (they'll also know how many people are affected by the glitches and whether the "I bought one and returned it" crowd are a significant group or just a vocal handful).

Meanwhile, the sales figures for November are probably pretty good, and with the supply so constrained, I'm sure the sell-through rates are amazing.
 
Good option for the desktop. I did the same, and if you choose your components wisely, it's straight forward. Not so great on the laptop side though.
Yeah, laptops are hard. I ended up buying a 2015 15" Macbook Pro on Amazon - got a great deal on a used one with 2 years left of Apple Care.
 
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