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Microsoft has been working really really hard at Windows 10 and the Surface line, they are not perfect by any means, but the intention, momentum, excitement and all the innovation is with Microsoft right now.

New Microsoft > New Apple

MacOS and it's product lines are essentially end of life. iOS (and/or the next iteration of it) is Apple's future, which is nowhere in sight.

Nope, Windows 10 is garbage, I'll take OS X over it, even on crap hardware...
 
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Stockholders should crush Tim, Phil and the other hardcocks so hard that they walk home in their underwear, as they deserve. This complete set of overcapitalist, selfish, ignorant pranks not only letdown their customers, betrayed their visionary company founder, but effectively killed their own CPU business that was healthy and the best of its kind.
 
Congratulations: Your Apple's target market for an iPad!


I am not exactly sure where this argument is going as far as the tablets and the Macs running the same OS. Just about anything I can do on my Mac I can do on my iPad Pro 9.7 or iPad mini 4. They both run software that I use all the time, I can pick off on one where I left on the other etc. I think they have pretty much merged iOS and MacOS together pretty well. Is it because they don't have the same name? I'm not understanding what the issue is. I can work on an Excel file on my iMac. get on the bus and work on the same file using my iPad, and then open up my MacBook Pro and work on the same file. I can even work on it on my iPhone. So I don't see where the problem is. 5-10 years ago this was virtually impossible. I used Excel as an example, but the same could be said for Word, PowerPoint, Pages, Keynote, Numbers, Informant, Outlook, OneNote, Day One, Fantastical, BusyCal, OmniFocus, AnyList, Quicken, Mail, ToDo, etc. For me the integration of Mac and iOS is very well done.

As far as Hardware goes, I just upgraded to the 13" 2016 MacBook Pro with the touchbar to replace my early 2011 MacBook Pro. I am extremely happy with the computer. A lot has changed in the almost 6 years. Yes, they are both 13" MacBooks, but when you compare everything from the specs , screen, the thickness it all better. Battery Life, I don't see an issue, my new MacBook Pro gets anywhere from 9-11 hours per charge, yet I read horror stories of 2-3 hours on these forums. The new Mac is almost as thin as my iPad Pro with the case and Keyboard cover. I love it. Instead of upgrading hardware every year, maybe you should do so every 4-6 years and you'd appreciate the changes more.

For me, my Macs, iPads and iPhone have made my life a lot easier. I can do whatever I want on any of the devices and it all stays synced thanks to iCloud or OneDrive. Hell I can even do somethings on my Apple Watch.
 
I'd happily drop my 8yr old MacBook Pro for my iPad Pro if i could use a mouse with it.

Excel without a mouse is just bad.
 
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At a stretch, I can see Apple continuing only the iMac and MB + MBP.

The worst part about all this is that when Apple does come to end the Mac, they'll be too proud of themselves to admit that they fudged up. Oh no, it will be the fault of the consumer. "People are more invested in the iPad."

Calling it.
 
I'm all for simplicity. Why would you need a desktop to write a paper (Bluetooth keyboard) or browse the internet?

You can even edit videos with iMovie.

No reason for desktop if you aren't doing serious work.
Because a Mac Pro desktop solution is obviously much more robust for serious users who require the platform to make a living. Writing papers and web-browsing—how elementary school and myopic of you. :cool:
 
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Nope, Windows 10 is garbage, I'll take OS X over it, even on crap hardware...

I'm a life-long dual user. How is Windows 10 garbage? Its continual refinement seems to be going in absolutely the right direction for me. It's certainly far more intuitive than the current state of MacOS, and it's pretty ingenious how it's managing to cover the touch/mouse divide without too many sacrifices to either (as with the hot mess that was Windows 8).
 
Apple's Renewed Focus on iPad Left the Mac Behind This Year.

If anyone is looking for bad title ideas, MR is providing some excellent examples today.

I disagree. With the exception of the MBP (fiasco) and MacBooks, the title is sad but true.
 
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Macrumors: "don't buy" ratings on non-refreshed products, then constant attack mode on the products that are refreshed.
 
Apple needs a Life Cycle Impulse program: Upgrade performance every second year, upgrade form factor every fourth year. Miniaturization of portable devices is understandable, but extending that to towers and desktops at-the-expense-of repairability, functionality, convenience, upgradeability, reliability and performance — in no particular order — is fundamentally wrong. Sales of Macs are down . . . is it any wonder why? My wallet’s been ready and waiting for four years and a leap day. And one last thing [drumroll please]: before they were put out of business, resellers were better at sales and support.
 
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Nope, Windows 10 is garbage, I'll take OS X over it, even on crap hardware...

I've been running Windows 10 on my hackintosh for the past month or so and it's really not that bad. I wouldnt HATE IT going back to Windows if I had to, it's come a long ways since Windows XP when I switched over to my first Power Mac.

The UI is actually pretty good.
 
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At a stretch, I can see Apple continuing only the iMac and MB + MBP.

The worst part about all this is that when Apple does come to end the Mac, they'll be too proud of themselves to admit that they fudged up. Oh no, it will be the fault of the consumer. "People are more invested in the iPad."

Calling it.

They will do very well to actually make a case for that at present
 
Tim Cooks analogy was ********: iPad + laptop is not merging a toaster and a refrigerator, it is merging a toaster and a microwave. You get the best of two useful things in one package.
 
It's instructive to compare the innovations of Jobs and Cook.

Hardware innovations under Jobs
iMac
iPod classic, nano, shuffle, touch
iPhone
iPad
Apple TV
Mac Pro
Mac Mini
eMac
Cinema Display
Time Capsule
AirPort Base Station
iSight

Software innovations under Jobs
OS X
iMovie
Keynote
Pages
Numbers
iPhoto
iTunes U
Final Cut Pro
Logic Pro
Garageband
Xcode
iMessage
Facetime
Dozens of built-in apps for OS X and iOS...
(a lot of these were under Scott Forstall)



And under Cook:
Hardware
Apple Watch
Touch Bar

Software
Photos
Music Memos



The more I think about it, the worse the situation is. Cook is incredibly unproductive. Thousands of employees. Billions spent on R&D. Nothing to show for it. He needs to get out of Apple as soon as possible before it's too late.
 
Stockholders should crush Tim, Phil and the other hardcocks so hard that they walk home in their underwear, as they deserve. This complete set of overcapitalist, selfish, ignorant pranks not only letdown their customers, betrayed their visionary company founder, but effectively killed their own CPU business that was healthy and the best of its kind.

Apple need to refresh the Mac lineup, we get it. Personally I think it's a joke that the Mac Mini still ships with a 5400rpm hdd and I don't like the solder everything in strategy either, given that Apple promote themselves as the super green company of the future... I believe that they're rapidly becoming the Navy and not the Pirates they once were... A new progressive and innovative Captain is required...
 
It is truly astonishing and appalling and disgraceful that I can't buy a powerful modern computer from Apple in 2016. The Mac Pro is simply a ripoff at this point.

Apple is being looted by Wall Street via sleazy schemes like stock buybacks. Cook is slow-walking the once great company into a Sculley-like competitive crisis. He'll be forced to bow out after a few more years, a very rich man.

What happens then? Who picks up the pieces of whatever is left? Well, it's Apple, so maybe there's another miracle. Don't count on it, though.

My guess is that Apple died with SJ, my friends, and that it's all over but the heartbreak.
 
It's instructive to compare the innovations of Jobs and Cook.

Hardware innovations under Jobs
iMac
iPod classic, nano, shuffle, touch
iPhone
iPad
Apple TV
Mac Pro
Mac Mini
eMac
Cinema Display
Time Capsule
AirPort Base Station
iSight

Software innovations under Jobs
OS X
iMovie
Keynote
Pages
Numbers
iPhoto
iTunes U
Final Cut Pro
Logic Pro
Garageband
Xcode
iMessage
Facetime
Dozens of built-in apps for OS X and iOS...
(a lot of these were under Scott Forstall)



And under Cook:
Hardware
Apple Watch
Touch Bar

Software
Photos
Music Memos



The more I think about it, the worse the situation is. Cook is incredibly unproductive. Thousands of employees. Billions spent on R&D. Nothing to show for it. He needs to get out of Apple as soon as possible before it's too late.
Don't forget to include "watch bands" under Tim!
 
"as Mac revenue has declined for four consecutive quarters year-over-year."

Of course it declines if your product is two years behind the competitors.


"Likewise, Cook said the iPad Pro is a notebook or desktop computer replacement for many people. "They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones," he added. "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?""

WOW......Tim Cook is even more of an idiot than I thought he was and that's saying a lot.

This man has got to go before he completely ruins Apple!!!!!!
They have done NOTHING since Jobs died other than upgrade HIS products.
 
If that is true, where do they go from here? iPad has peaked and is now on the decline. iPhone has peaked (it will likely get a bump next year but the market is otherwise saturated). The Watch, while maybe not a bust, was certainly not the next great thing that Cook thought it was going to be.

While not "doomed", where is the growth in this company going to come from?

Apple could care less about their computer lineup.

Their corporate elites just see it as having a slim market share and it sucking up resources and money.
 
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Likewise, Cook said the iPad Pro is a notebook or desktop computer replacement for many people. "They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones," he added. "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?"
I could substitute my Macbook Air with an iPad Pro if it had a file system, it could run Terminal, it could compile apps from the command line, and I didn't need obscure tricks via iTunes (hello? music shop for file transfer?) or iCloud for doing trivial copies of files among devices. If all that was true, I agree with it being an appealing alternative if you value lightness on your laptop.

But, running iOS, it's useless unless you don't use your computer for real computer work.

Oh, and of course, that wouldn't fix the urgent need for VR-class GPUs on the Mac. I invested $3000 on a PC box with a Pascal Titan X that I wished to invest on a Mac Pro. But there wasn't a Mac Pro with a comparable GPU, so I got the message that Apple didn't want my $3000 this time, and probably they won't anymore.
 
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Better Headline - Tim Cook Left Apple Behind This Year.

1. Removed 3.5mm headphone jack from iPhone
2. Made the Macbook Pro less pro
3. Neglected iMac
4. Ditched Display Business
5. Has made a loyal Apple customer not find any interest in any product in the Apple store

Get that man out of there. Please. Seriously.

-Signed Mac Pro Tower 2012 / 15 inch Macbook Pro 2011 / iPhone 6 user

Don't forgot the Time Capsules and Airport line!!
 
Better Headline - Tim Cook Left Apple Behind This Year.

1. Removed 3.5mm headphone jack from iPhone
2. Made the Macbook Pro less pro
3. Neglected iMac
4. Ditched Display Business
5. Has made a loyal Apple customer not find any interest in any product in the Apple store

Get that man out of there. Please. Seriously.

-Signed Mac Pro Tower 2012 / 15 inch Macbook Pro 2011 / iPhone 6 user

And they dropped the airport lineup of routers.
 
Mac revenue has declined for four consecutive quarters year-over-year. The declines have worsened each quarter, starting with a 3% drop in Q4 2015 and progressing to a 17% drop in Q3 2016, according to Strategy Analytics.

Clearly this is because people don't want to buy Macs anymore. The iPad is where it's at now. Tim Cook was right.
 
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