Apple's Revamped Mac Pro to Launch in 2019

[angelonyc]

My main use of computer is using Logic Pro X.. Been using it back to 90's.. DON'T REALLY WANT to switch to another DAW. Using Macs since 1980.. But the price jump from 2008 to 2015 Mac Pro was obscene. Even my 6 Core, 2 RAID system would bog down when I got a large number of audio, midi tracks going.. Ended up costing 10K... THAT'S OBSCENE.. Although there are things I like about the 2013 design, You ended up with such a rat's nest of cables, boxes, adaptors, etc, I had mixed feelings.

In my opinion Apple has turned into everything they said they WOULD NEVER BE WHEN THEY STARTED.. I suppose I will continue with Logic Pro and a Mac. (don't want to have to re-learn a new DAW, and OS).. I hope they put more thought into design, workflow, than they did with the 2013 model..

Also the ever-increasing huge price jumps, really turn me off.

 

[seclusion]

I am in the same situation with Logic, I have no interest in learning another Daw.
My MacPro 2010 died a year ago just after moving to Costa Rica and I was thinking about usb-c and the investment needed to go that way. Debated trying to get another Mac Pro shipped.
I was able to get a 2017 iMac and reutilize my ssd's in external cases at low latency.
With large samples and usually 20 some odd audio tracks it all works well.
All that in at under $5k.
I look forward to what will come of the new MacPro but can’t help but feel the cost will be astronomical.

 

[cajun67]

I don't see what's wrong with the cheese grater tower design.

Update its internals and release a Mac Pro already! I would have bought one, sold it and bought another in the years I've waited!

Instead, I'm forced to get CPU upgrades for a used 2010 Mac Pro to get the necessary HD storage space without breaking the bank. It seems a hackintosh is in the cards. Will save me 50%

It's amazing that the Mac has survived Apple for as long as it has. The company has so many eccentricities around their PC production. Faithful buyers wait years for upgraded hardware, often with scant hope that an upgrade is coming.

I honestly don't understand the Mac market anymore.

 

[brofkand]

It's amazing that the Mac has survived Apple for as long as it has. The company has so many eccentricities around their PC production. Faithful buyers wait years for upgraded hardware, often with scant hope that an upgrade is coming.

I honestly don't understand the Mac market anymore.

People are hooked on macOS, they tolerate Apple's ridiculous way of doing things to get the ecosystem. At least that's how I see things nowadays.

 

[KevWind]

It's amazing that the Mac has survived Apple for as long as it has. The company has so many eccentricities around their PC production. Faithful buyers wait years for upgraded hardware, often with scant hope that an upgrade is coming.

I honestly don't understand the Mac market anymore.

To help you understand (in my case) there are several very good reasons I still use Mac .. one that as a Mac user I can wait years ,because the machines (so far) have been functioning reliably for years, and two they also tend to stay useable and functional as far as new OS versions and often new software versions .
For example my music studio machine is a Mid 2010 Mac Pro 6 core Westmere that is still running fine and started on Lion and is now running High Sierra .... will be useable as is for how ever long it lasts ,and it is running the next to the the latest version of Pro Tools HD Native with no problems. And in fact many Professional recording studio's and Post Production studios , are still running anywhere from 2008 to 2014 machines for massive recording sessions and film sound and music sessions .
Now depending on exactly what the new Mac Pro's end up being things may change but time will tell

 

[Glmnet1]

People are hooked on macOS, they tolerate Apple's ridiculous way of doing things to get the ecosystem. At least that's how I see things nowadays.

Definitely true for me until a few weeks ago. The transition to Windows was a lot easier than I expected and I don't miss macOS that much already. But I don't have an iPhone and I don't rely on macOS only apps.

 

[brofkand]

Definitely true for me until a few weeks ago. The transition to Windows was a lot easier than I expected and I don't miss macOS that much already. But I don't have an iPhone and I don't rely on macOS only apps.

I am right behind you sadly, the new Mac mini priced at $800 told me all I wanted to know about where Apple is headed. In reality I probably should have known when they brought in Ahrendts. They've priced themselves out of my home unless they calm down on trying to be a couture brand.

Like you I don't rely on any macOS-only apps. I could, and likely will, switch by the end of the year.

 

[Peperino]

I don't see what's wrong with the cheese grater tower design.

Update its internals and release a Mac Pro already! I would have bought one, sold it and bought another in the years I've waited!

Instead, I'm forced to get CPU upgrades for a used 2010 Mac Pro to get the necessary HD storage space without breaking the bank. It seems a hackintosh is in the cards. Will save me 50%

Hire less overpaid pony-tailed pie-in-the-sky industrial designers and more computer manufacturing automation designers and assembly workers to get me a low cost Mac Pro that competes with other PCs where I can purchase and swap all parts off-the-shelf including RAM. Hear your user base deaf people! Take the corporate earplugs out THIS quarter! Give the option of purchasing machines without RAM! or offer sane RAM prices you greedy greedy bunch of...

Apple is really going downhill. Plus it's dropping the ball on XCode with API compatibility nightmares for developers who want to add new software features on apps running on "older" Mac OS's and older iOS devices.

Like a chicken with its head cut off is the frantic pace of Apple software development.

Get it right morons! Windows and Android aren't so bad anymore that we can't all decide to kick you out of the house and finally get that divorce. You exist because of us fans.

Tim Cook greed is beyond belief.
Apple computers are not anymore what they used to be. They are NOT at the forefront of innovation, the quality is not reliable anymore (Keyboard, battery, logic board problems), and they are way overpriced. Look at the Macbook Pro 2016-2018 failure...

Just saw a Lenovo with a Core i7, 16gb Ram and 512 SSD for $880.00 and touchscreen.
Why should even consider a Mac mini with Core i3, 8GB ram and 128SSD for $800? or a Macbook air with a core i5, 8gb RAM and 128 SSD?
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That's why the iMac Pro was released: if a single component fails, the whole computer goes to service. Well, that looks much more like an iPhone or an iPad, doesn't it? They released the iMac Pro like a last try before surrendering to a new Mac Pro.

The new Mac Pro, if it's ever released, won't have more than 5 months of engineering effort behind it. The reason it has taken years is that they are trying hard, really hard, to get all pros into iOS and, if that's not possible, at least into the iMac Pro.

It is very sad what Apple is turning into. Why anybody will consider Buying a 10k+ iMac Pro and the internal drive cannot be updated? If the internal fails, you need to take the entire computer to service rather than just swaping a new drive and reload a back up. It is just a sad marketing tactic to get more money (through service) from its customers. Furthermore it has the same 10year old external design where the vertical height cannot even be adjusted.
I truly wonder how many iMac Pros were sold, but they will not release those numbers out of shame.

After 4 years of not upgrading, the new Mac mini is a complete Joke. Way overpriced and the entry specs from 4 years ago (8gb-128ssd).

Looking at all the latest Apple upgrades (Mac Mini, Macbook Pro, Macbook Air), that are ALL underspec and way overpriced, I certainly do NOT have high hopes for the new Mac Pro.

 

[skitidetdu]

My main use of computer is using Logic Pro X.. Been using it back to 90's.. DON'T REALLY WANT to switch to another DAW. Using Macs since 1980.. But the price jump from 2008 to 2015 Mac Pro was obscene. Even my 6 Core, 2 RAID system would bog down when I got a large number of audio, midi tracks going.. Ended up costing 10K... THAT'S OBSCENE.. Although there are things I like about the 2013 design, You ended up with such a rat's nest of cables, boxes, adaptors, etc, I had mixed feelings.

In my opinion Apple has turned into everything they said they WOULD NEVER BE WHEN THEY STARTED.. I suppose I will continue with Logic Pro and a Mac. (don't want to have to re-learn a new DAW, and OS).. I hope they put more thought into design, workflow, than they did with the 2013 model..

Also the ever-increasing huge price jumps, really turn me off.

I'm also using Logic Pro X and thinking about the new mini but holding out to see what happens with the new Mac Pro. I don't expect it to go under 3000$ in base configuration though.

 

[ThatSandWyrm]

I still want a 17" MacBook Pro laptop. 30" iMac Pro, or 30" iMac. Also 30", 32" or 34" screens. User upgradable memory, processors, graphics cards, and user upgradable HDs. I guess I have as much chance of wining the lottery than Apple giving what customers want.

With you on the 17" laptop (had to grudgingly retire my 2008 model 4 years back for a lack of RAM). But 30" retina screens? Why?
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probably something is tied to an intel roadmap.

Exactly. While they wait for whatever the latest (late) Intel tech will be, they've assembled teams to see if they can use the time to optimize the software user experience. Or at least make it look like they're "doing something".
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ok to close this up, it doesn't matter if we buy Pro hardware if all we get is buggy below the standards software, I hope when that Mac "Pro" comes out, apple better have a good version of Mac OS to run along with that Mac Pro. be ready to pay the price, I will estimate between 3,000 to 5,000 dollars, just look at the iMac "Pro" , No complaint in price here as long as is worth it and it has new expensive hardware and not obsolete crap asking for a ridiculous delusional price.

This. Buggy OS updates (the latest one makes YouTube Videos play at 100x speed in Safari) have been the thorn in the side of my otherwise pleasant iMac Pro experience.
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I'm not in love with W10, equally it works and doesn't present problems.

Windows doesn't cause problems? So you've never had Windows decide that it HAS to update the OS in the middle of your work (potentially crippling your key apps)? No cancel option, just one hour delays. Never had Windows auto-install marketing crap-ware (that you can't uninstall)? Never gone through all of the many steps to stop it recording all of your keystrokes and disabling Windows Update, only to have it mysteriously run an update somehow a few weeks down the line? What's it say when a major OS, that I paid a lot of money for, is programmed to ignore its own hosts file in order to stop its users from regaining control of THEIR hardware?

There's a reason that every major corporation virtualizes Windows on their centralized servers and reverts the image once the user logs out to a known stable build.

There's also a reason that I'm doing 3D modeling work right now on an iMac Pro, while my much cheaper, and more 3D capable Windows PC (Dual 1080Ti cards) is currently turned off under my desk. Because I do not trust that machine. Period.

 

[Queen6]

With you on the 17" laptop (had to grudgingly retire my 2008 model 4 years back for a lack of RAM). But 30" retina screens? Why?
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Exactly. While they wait for whatever the latest (late) Intel tech will be, they've assembled teams to see if they can use the time to optimize the software user experience. Or at least make it look like they're "doing something".
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This. Buggy OS updates (the latest one makes YouTube Videos play at 100x speed in Safari) have been the thorn in the side of my otherwise pleasant iMac Pro experience.
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Windows doesn't cause problems? So you've never had Windows decide that it HAS to update the OS in the middle of your work (potentially crippling your key apps)? No cancel option, just one hour delays. Never had Windows auto-install marketing crap-ware (that you can't uninstall)? Never gone through all of the many steps to stop it recording all of your keystrokes and disabling Windows Update, only to have it mysteriously run an update somehow a few weeks down the line? What's it say when a major OS, that I paid a lot of money for, is programmed to ignore its own hosts file in order to stop its users from regaining control of THEIR hardware?

There's a reason that every major corporation virtualizes Windows on their centralized servers and reverts the image once the user logs out to a known stable build.

There's also a reason that I'm doing 3D modeling work right now on an iMac Pro, while my much cheaper, and more 3D capable Windows PC (Dual 1080Ti cards) is currently turned off under my desk. Because I do not trust that machine. Period.

If you have such issue's under W10 more fool you as they are easily avoided. Once in the field on an engineering project my W10 notebooks never install updates or reboot unless I explicitly want them to, irrespective of the duration.

Such posts only serve to illustrate that people don't understand the OS or more likely are unwilling or simply don't care to.

Q-6

 

[chucker23n1]

Once in the field on an engineering project my W10 notebooks never install updates or reboot unless I explicitly want them to, irrespective of the duration.

Leaving aside the way you're blaming the user for a software error, indefinitely delaying updates isn't actually possible in non-enterprise versions of Windows 10.

 

[Queen6]

Leaving aside the way you're blaming the user for a software error, indefinitely delaying updates isn't actually possible in non-enterprise versions of Windows 10.

Switch the network connection to Metered and it will shut down everything but the very highest level security updates simple as that, which are generally few and far between.

I've never incurred a random update since returning to Windows for my professional requirement in over 2 years, l wonder why...

W10 was completely alien to me similar to many others switching from OS X, equally I invested some time and prospered for the better.

Q-6

 

[Martyimac]

@Queen6 is just telling you folks like it is. The folks that talk about unexpected updates just don't have any experience in W10. The 2 W10 computers here at the house don't update until I say they can.

 

[ThatSandWyrm]

If you have such issue's under W10 more fool you as they are easily avoided. Once in the field on an engineering project my W10 notebooks never install updates or reboot unless I explicitly want them to, irrespective of the duration.

Such posts only serve to illustrate that people don't understand the OS or more likely are unwilling or simply don't care to.

Q-6

I’m no PC newb. I was manually setting IRQ ports and optimizing config.sys files to eek out more extended/expanded (know the difference?) memory in DOS years before AOL and Compuserve were even around. I’ve always built my own PCs, and have installed every version of windows at least a dozen times.

I have utilities installed to disable Win10’s worst features. I’ve manually disabled system processes, deleted specific DLLs, edited my hosts file... the whole shebang. Short of editing the hosts file on my router, or deleting the windows update DLLs entirely, I’ve done it all. And yet the system is still forcing updates down my throat every third time I turn that box on.

So I’ll pose the obvious question: How tech-savvy should a Win10 user have to be to take back control of THEIR hardware from a company that’s hell-bent on hijacking their machine and it’s data at every opportunity? How can you, having taken steps to break/block the worst “features” of such a compromised system, ever be sure that you found every vulnerability?

You can’t, and that’s why I cannot trust a Windows 8/10 PC. No matter how much cheaper it is, the machine, for all practical purposes, belongs to Microsoft.

 

[InuNacho]

I'm also using Logic Pro X and thinking about the new mini but holding out to see what happens with the new Mac Pro. I don't expect it to go under 3000$ in base configuration though.

The beauty of living in California is that I was able to walk into a post production house hardware sale and walk out with a $800 3 year old Mac Pro. I do not believe I will be able to get the same deal again in 4 years, the base price for the hardware will simply be too expensive if the current Mini and MBP saw price hikes.

 

[Martyimac]

You can’t, and that’s why I cannot trust a Windows 8/10 PC. No matter how much cheaper it is, the machine, for all practical purposes, belongs to Microsoft.

And you think your  machines don't belong to Apple? LOL. It may not be the way you think MS owns your machine but especially now that the T2 chip is going into everything, oh yea,  owns our machines, maybe even more so than MS.
PS Yep, I did IRQ's and expanded vs extended memory too. The worst thing though was the 2400 baud dial-up modems. Ugh.

 

[mi7chy]

I’m no PC newb. I was manually setting IRQ ports and optimizing config.sys files to eek out more extended/expanded (know the difference?) memory in DOS years before AOL and Compuserve were even around. I’ve always built my own PCs, and have installed every version of windows at least a dozen times.

I have utilities installed to disable Win10’s worst features. I’ve manually disabled system processes, deleted specific DLLs, edited my hosts file... the whole shebang. Short of editing the hosts file on my router, or deleting the windows update DLLs entirely, I’ve done it all. And yet the system is still forcing updates down my throat every third time I turn that box on.

Either you're basing your experience on pre-2016 or you overlooked the Active Hours feature. I have mine set to 8am-11pm and it never auto reboots unless I tell it to with the PC on 24/7.

 

[chucker23n1]

Switch the network connection to Metered and it will shut down everything but the very highest level security updates simple as that, which are generally few and far between.

Are you seriously suggesting this as a way to prevent updates indefinitely?

What's next, turning on Airplane Mode?

The fact is, Enterprise versions aside, you have limited control over when updates get installed, and the longer you postpone one, the more aggressively Windows will try to force the update on you. Which makes sense from Microsoft's point of view.

 

[greenmeanie]

You are the person who brings Viruses to work.

Are you seriously suggesting this as a way to prevent updates indefinitely?

What's next, turning on Airplane Mode?

The fact is, Enterprise versions aside, you have limited control over when updates get installed, and the longer you postpone one, the more aggressively Windows will try to force the update on you. Which makes sense from Microsoft's point of view.

 

[Martyimac]

Are you seriously suggesting this as a way to prevent updates indefinitely?

What's next, turning on Airplane Mode?

The fact is, Enterprise versions aside, you have limited control over when updates get installed, and the longer you postpone one, the more aggressively Windows will try to force the update on you. Which makes sense from Microsoft's point of view.

Wrong. Just so wrong. It's obvious to those that actually have experience with W10 that you have no experience. My guess is you are just parroting info (bad info BTW) that you have read elsewhere on the internet. My 2 W10 computers here at home, do NOT reboot until allowed, and until that is allowed, I get NO, NONE, ZERO "alerts" from MS about installing the updates.

 

[Queen6]

Are you seriously suggesting this as a way to prevent updates indefinitely?

What's next, turning on Airplane Mode?

The fact is, Enterprise versions aside, you have limited control over when updates get installed, and the longer you postpone one, the more aggressively Windows will try to force the update on you. Which makes sense from Microsoft's point of view.

Continue to enjoy your uncontrolled reboots, or you can try what I suggested. I for one have no issues. My 14 year old inherited my Surface Book and surprise, surprise no issues,

Microsoft releases updates in a timely manner for good reason, equally one can pick and choose when the update will occur, unless you don't understand or don't care to understand the OS.

Q-6

 

[chucker23n1]

Microsoft releases updates in a timely manner for good reason,

Who's denying that?

equally one can pick and choose when the update will occur, unless you don't understand or don't care to understand the OS.

Q-6

As a developer who mainly targets Windows, I do in fact "care to understand" the OS.

 

[Queen6]

Wrong. Just so wrong. It's obvious to those that actually have experience with W10 that you have no experience. My guess is you are just parroting info (bad info BTW) that you have read elsewhere on the internet. My 2 W10 computers here at home, do NOT reboot until allowed, and until that is allowed, I get NO, NONE, ZERO "alerts" from MS about installing the updates.

Exactly I just think some people don't want to understand or simply fall in and follow the party line of "We hate Windows" versus learning a little and getting the best out of the OS irrespective of the flavour.

As stated the lack of experience is obvious, staying deliberately in the dark or promoting inaccurate information an entirely different matter...

Q-6

 

[chucker23n1]

Exactly I just think some people don't want to understand or simply fall in and follow the party line of "We hate Windows" versus learning a little and getting the best out of the OS irrespective of the flavour.

You mean people who come up with suggestions like "set your connection to metered"?

My employer is a Microsoft gold partner. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As stated the lack of experience is obvious, staying deliberately in the dark or promoting inaccurate information an entirely different matter...

Pot, meet kettle.