What patents have been violated? None yet - the courts will decide , unless HTC and Apple don't come to a settlement first.
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What patents have been violated? None yet - the courts will decide , unless HTC and Apple don't come to a settlement first.
Fail. As cmaier rightly pointed out, the Newton was the real trailblazer - not Palm.
Yeah, that was such an amazing, must-have device - I think I've seen almost a half dozen people using them over the years. A real coup for HP to be sure.
Anyone who can't recognize and admit the iPhone has completely changed the mobile industry is either 1) a moron, 2) blinded by his own BS, or 3) both.
In all fairness, it is open source. You can't argue otherwise, regardless of who it benefits.
What bothers me, however, are all the know-nothing Google fans running around claiming Google is the champion of open source now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Google only plays in open source where they don't have the market cornered. I can't download the code for Google Toolbar or Google Earth or the database schemas and algorithms and code that powers their search and advertising systems. There's little evidence that Google employs an open source approach to software as a philosophical viewpoint. They use it like most companies (including Apple) use it--as a potential advantage in a market they don't compete in.
In fact, Apple contributes far more to the open source community than Google does. I love the Google fans who talk crap about Apple being proprietary and closed and cite Google software like the Chrome Browser as an example. Gee, guys, guess where most of that wonderful open code in Webkit powering your browser comes from?
Ah, sorry about that. I definitely should have said "allegedly violated." Thanks for keeping me level headed.
Fail. As cmaier rightly pointed out, the Newton was the real trailblazer - not Palm.
Yeah, that was such an amazing, must-have device - I think I've seen almost a half dozen people using them over the years. A real coup for HP to be sure.
Anyone who can't recognize and admit the iPhone has completely changed the mobile industry is either 1) a moron, 2) blinded by his own BS, or 3) both.
I had an iPaq. Enjoyed it sorta.
Clearly, you are an expert at being "blinded by his own BS".
The Iphone has made an impact on the high-end smartphone niche of
the mobile industry.
I have trouble saying that about the huge majority of the mobile
industry - which is simple, cheap feature phones and dumbphones.
Ouch. I think you intended that as an insult.
Similar in design, but not in size. Who was the first the come up with a palm-sized, touchscreen, keyboard-less device that was mostly screen? The Newton's huge, and more like a tablet than a palm held. I'm sure in your greater wisdom you'll educate and enlighten me in this as well. I'm looking forward to it.
But that was my point, not my position. Too many around here seem to think the iPhone's form factor and general design are the first of its kind. It's not. There were plenty of palm-sized, touchscreen, keyboard-less devices (stylus aside) available for many years before the iPhone came out.
True enough. iPhones took it to the next level, but they're no longer the top of the heap. They might be when the next one comes out, but they've been resting on their laurels a bit too long in my opinon.
Does anyone else find it ironic that most of the users who complain about privacy in regards to Google are AT&T customers. This is the same AT&T that built a room for the NSA directly on its backbone for warrantless wiretapping.
Fact of the matter is in the digital age companies are gathering information about you and using it for marketing purposes among other things. Apple is via its iTunes and MobileMe. AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and TMobile all do too. The government is a warrant away from being able to trace exactly where you are without you knowing. Hell, it can even turn on your wireless phone's mic to transmit audio and you'd never know.
Fact of the matter is in the digital age companies are gathering information about you and using it for marketing purposes among other things. Apple is via its iTunes and MobileMe. AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and TMobile all do too. The government is a warrant away from being able to trace exactly where you are without you knowing. Hell, it can even turn on your wireless phone's mic to transmit audio and you'd never know.
Ouch. I think you intended that as an insult.
When I insult people they generally have no doubt about whether that was the intent.
iPaq and your Palm were also much bigger than an iPhone. Technology has improved to allow these devices to get smaller. But I'm not sure what your point really is. You seem to be drawing an arbitrary size line, somewhere smaller than a Newton and bigger than iPhone, and saying that the first mostly-screen device without a lot of buttons (again, drawing an arbitrary line as to the number of buttons) was ripped off by Apple to make the iPhone. It seems a somewhat arbitrary line you are drawing, don't you think?
Your fourth sentence is true. But I don't hear anyone saying that the reason the iPhone was "first of its kind" was because it was mostly screen with one button. I'm pretty sure most people find it "first of its kind" is because it was the first pocketable device designed and optimized for finger-based use while providing a decent-enough internet experience to not make one want to tear one's hair out.
It just depends on your level of paranoia. You can easily control how much Google does and doesn't know about you.
Don't use gmail. It's not required on android phones or your desktop.
Don't create and sign in to a Google account for search, or better yet, don't use Google search at all.
Don't use Google Voice.
Don't use Google Talk.
Don't use Google Checkout.
Don't use Google ANYTHING if you're that worried about it.
At least Google gives you a way to go into an account and delete their history of you (assuming it actually works and does what they claim). None of those other places give you that option.
As much as we'd like to be paranoid about them being a monopoly with their fingers in every aspect of their lives, they're anything but a monopoly, and they're only in our lives as much as we choose to use their services.
I wonder how many that are paranoid about Google are also going to refuse to fill out their 2010 US Census questionnaires. The call-ins to some of the talk radio show about the Census sound an awful lot like the complaints about Google in this thread and many others. The response by the hosts who aren't nuts is that you're silly if you think the government can't get all that information about you from other sources already is. I happen to agree with them.
If you're on the grid at all, your privacy is mostly imagined.
Clearly, you are an expert at being "blinded by his own BS".
The Iphone has made an impact on the high-end smartphone niche of
the mobile industry.
I have trouble saying that about the huge majority of the mobile
industry - which is simple, cheap feature phones and dumbphones.
Exactly. I don't use any of these services and I recommend that no one use them.
This is an exaggeration but these services are like candy. Google is like the pedophile luring us children with that candy. I know, I know, put on my tinfoil helmet, but like I said, I avoid these 'services.'
Haha, if anything I rather have Ask Jeeves or Ask I guess now as the default.
The moment Apple doesn't use Google as it's search engine, is the moment I stop buying Apple. Apple and Google should partner up!
What are you talking about? Windows users with iPhones largely outweigh the Mac users with Apple's smart phone.
I thought Apple / Google cooperation was great.
Its just a shame SJ takes things personally.
I think Steve Jobs said it best: "We did not enter the search business. They entered the phone business." You have Eric Schmidt being invited to sit on Apple's board and then Google turns around and stabs Apple in the back. If I was Jobs, I'd be pissed, too.
If this story is true, it's time to send SJ back out to pasture.
Public corporations should never be buffetted by personal vendettas
between their CEOs.
And why shouldn't Google enter the phone business? Did
Apple try to patent the idea of a phone that one
could carry around?
You make it sound like Apple owned an exclusive right to telephones.
If you were Jobs, you'd be relaxing on your private jet flying off
to someplace to tout the magical Ipad.
Except iPhone/iPhoneOS technology has been standing mostly still since the original iPhone was introduced about 3 years ago. My last 3GS was mostly the same device as the original iPhone 2G.
iPhone WAS innovative 3 years ago, but it stopped being a cutting edge technology long time ago. Apple is being rapidly left behind by the competitors and they're nervous. If Android market and mindshare wasn't gaining as rapidly as it has been - there would be no HTC lawsuit.
For the sake of Apple and iPhone - they better come out with something impressive with iPhoneOS 4. That is their chance to stay relevant and cutting edge, not the lawsuits.
Google is a back-stabbing 2-face weasel.
they screwed their android partners (motorola, etc.) when they sold the Nexus One.
they're trying to screw Apple.
well, they f%$cked with the wrong marine.
Honestly it is quite difficult for me, to keep this discussion on a moderate and short level, as it is very special. But there are currently some really hot topics in this discussion.
1st: Google implies, that Street View won't offer different views than that you will see, when driving along a street. Given the fact they are using 3m high camera poles, that is a flat out lie. At least according to some legal entities, that argue, that normal eyesight is at 2m and therefore a pole higher than that is a privacy concern.
2nd: Highest German court just ruled, that the current guidelines for saving user data are not conforming to basic personal rights. Given that those guidelines have to be adjusted in the near future, this will bring a new legal dimension into StreetView and even into saving anonymous user profiles. Granted the trial was only about providers hording user data, but the basic principle remains.
3rd: Google currently has to offer a simple method in StreetView to let people have pictures removed. At least here in Germany. So here is to waiting for the "We report StreetView"-pictures Flashmob.
But, well, we are behind, as Google StreetView is banned form Greece!
Did you expect anything else from a petty authoritarian control freak, that is Steve Jobs?