then you can call almost every other company in america evil since they all do the same thing.
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then you can call almost every other company in america evil since they all do the same thing.
There is a certain threshold that a company passes before everything becomes revolting. It's like eating too much chocolate moose. At the begining they are sensational, underdogs, revolutionary. Then they get rich, too rich and creamy and then it becomes sickening. They try to see how far they can stretch their new found glory. First was microsoft, then google, now apple.
It's time for Hitler in his bunker to GROW UP
It's time for Jobs to ditch the Hitler in his bunker act and start realizing that the world doesn't revolve around him and never did.
Suicidal nutcases who start wars with greater forces and former allies (flash, Adobe, Blu-ray, google) always lose.
The man needs another decades long sabbatical.
It's time for Jobs to ditch the Hitler in his bunker act and start realizing that the world doesn't revolve around him and never did.
Suicidal nutcases who start wars with greater forces and former allies (flash, Adobe, Blu-ray, google) always lose.
The man needs another decades long sabbatical.
Well, yeah ....
This is really the problem we'll see as Apple users, if Jobs gets too caught up in this feuding, making it personal.
Ask yourself why Flash is absent from the iPhone.... It's not *really* one of those technical issues like "eats the battery" he's worried about. It's another feud. Jobs is mad at Adobe and wants to punish them. (They keep selling products that compete with Apple's, such a LightRoom vs. Aperture, or Premiere Pro vs. Final Cut.)
I never did think it was wise to have someone from Google on Apple's board, because I could see that degenerating. For a while, they acted like the two companies were "best buddies" ... but anyone could see that they'd butt heads at some point, with the Android phone thing, and to a lesser extent, with Google's "cloud computing" initiatives. (Google Apps vs. iWork '09 anyone?)
I think Apple has the most to lose if they get all caught up in lawsuits over their ideas instead of working on the next big new ones. The innovation is really their strength, and why people remain loyal to them. It's hard to stay loyal to a company that's best known for suing everyone else....
This is really the problem we'll see as Apple users, if Jobs gets too caught up in this feuding, making it personal.
Ask yourself why Flash is absent from the iPhone.... It's not *really* one of those technical issues like "eats the battery" he's worried about. It's another feud. Jobs is mad at Adobe and wants to punish them. (They keep selling products that compete with Apple's, such a LightRoom vs. Aperture, or Premiere Pro vs. Final Cut.)
I never did think it was wise to have someone from Google on Apple's board, because I could see that degenerating. For a while, they acted like the two companies were "best buddies" ... but anyone could see that they'd butt heads at some point, with the Android phone thing, and to a lesser extent, with Google's "cloud computing" initiatives. (Google Apps vs. iWork '09 anyone?)
I think Apple has the most to lose if they get all caught up in lawsuits over their ideas instead of working on the next big new ones. The innovation is really their strength, and why people remain loyal to them. It's hard to stay loyal to a company that's best known for suing everyone else....
Apple will lose big if it can stop Google from copying iPhone OS
Is this not easy to understand? If Apple can not stop Google from copying the multi-touch patent, then Google can simply copy any future innovation from Apple. Then what is the advantage of iPhone over Android phones? This is why the western world invented patent in the first place. How an inventor can make money if the big companies can simply copy his invention?
Is this not easy to understand? If Apple can not stop Google from copying the multi-touch patent, then Google can simply copy any future innovation from Apple. Then what is the advantage of iPhone over Android phones? This is why the western world invented patent in the first place. How an inventor can make money if the big companies can simply copy his invention?
Apple didn't patent multitouch, they patented THEIR implementation of multitouch. Google can use multi touch provided they do it via a different implementation. Lets be clear here folks (not directed at quoted person).
absolute non-sense.
manufacturing products in China = business. does not censor freedom of speech.
censoring search results in China = bowing down to chinese censorship and free dom of speech FOR MONEY. this is 100 times more EVIL.
Yeah, paying them peanuts on the dollar, kids working in factories, and the deplorable conditions. ok. They're both evil.
For years they had "Star Trek" (MacOS on IntelPC), and Yellow Box (OSX on IntelPC) or emulation of same.
They could do "Apple search" and use whatever resources that legally deploys. Licensing agreements from Alta Vista, Yahoo, MS Search, Bing, licensed Google resources, etc.
As time passes an increasing number of elements will come under license, fall off patent, or generally be replaced by superior technology.
In he mean time Apple will have the front end, branding and ad control they need and want.
The noise might be loud, but the outcome is inevitable.
Rocketman
You speak as if you know the man. Your words clearly show otherwise. I worked under him twice and this projection usually stems from high ego engineers who get their egos cut when they attempt to bring average to solutions when he demands something more.
Keep telling yourself about that stand still technology. You'll be annoyed once again at Apple come WWDC and they leap frog everyone, again.
AidenShaw has about as much forward vision as his mentors Billy G. and Uncle Ballmer, which is to say to the ends of their noses.
Which is why Windows 7 alone at 10% has about twice Apple's 5%
net market share, right?
I love it when you say "losing" is "winning".
Where would you like those ads on your Iphone?
Wasn't that hard to find the post I was responding too. D'oh!
I was just agreeing with post (and providing my personal experience as perspective):
And to give a visual of that perspective, here are some of my devices over the last decade I just pulled out of the desk drawer graveyard of gadgets.
There were several others in the succession, but these are the ones that have pretty similar size and shape: Palm Vx (1999), Ipaq 4155 (2003?), Palm Treo 700P (2005?), iPhone 2G (2007), iPhone 3Gs(2009), Nexus One (2010):
The Treo probably doesn't really belong in there, but it made the line up an even half-dozen.
And for reference, the Ipaq 4155 was 113 mm x 70 mm x 13 mm - 132g.
I hope so - innovation is good for everyone.
However, the fact is that Apple hasn't introduced any real innovation with iPhoneOS since it was introduced. They have slowly added "missing" features (3G, GPS, MMS, copy/paste), but that's about it.
Mobile phone industry has been moving forward at much faster pace than Apple's incremental yearly updates. The desktop OS style upgrade cycle won't cut it here. Apple needs to seriously pick up the pace and start offering real innovation, or they will be left in the dust.
And no, lawsuits and maintaining dictatorial control over App Store isn't the answer.
He's entitled to his biases, just like everyone else. It's just that as someone with many decades of computing experience designing microprocessors, writing parts of OS's, owning phones and devices running WM, Palm, and iPhone OS, and getting my work done with Solaris, Windows, Mac, VMS, linux, and MTS, I know my biases are better informed
Outside of the comments from a bunch of nerds on this thread, I've never heard him referred to as "the man in black."
He's entitled to his biases, just like everyone else. It's just that as someone with many decades of computing experience designing microprocessors, writing parts of OS's, owning phones and devices running WM, Palm, and iPhone OS, and getting my work done with Solaris, Windows, Mac, VMS, linux, and MTS, I know my biases are better informed
That sounds like my resumé, except for the Iphone and designing
µprocessors bit. I created a fair bit of VMS (especially VAXclusters)
when I was young.
You're biased if you think your biases are better informed.
They'rejust your biases - not mine, not anyone elses.
Agreed. I think that explains the enmity (and, of course, the usual Jobs megalomania)... As a board member Schmidt was obligated to represent the best interests of Apple shareholders. If he had plans to compete directly against Apple he should have quit to avoid conflict of interest.
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I'm sort of surprised some lawyer hasn't filed a derivative suit on behalf of the shareholders alleging breach of Schmidt's duty of loyalty. Seems like the sort of thing smarter (richer) lawyers than me would do.