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Unannounced product cannot by nature be delayed. Just rumor dudes making excuses for their missed rumors.

Amen to that. Time and again:
  • Some BS-peddling "analyst" makes up nonsense
  • If they're wrong they just lie about their fever-dream product or service being "cancelled" or "delayed"
  • Since even a stopped clock is right twice a day, now and again they're close enough to the mark that they can claim to be a One True Prophet and so the cycle of BS continues
It's so frustrating that people keep falling for this crap time and again, such that the real news about what might be going on with the full Apple ecosystem is just swamped by constant rumour-mill fiction.
 
I don't mind paying a premium over a similar product in the market. Still, even after paying a premium if I don't get features that are becoming standard and/or slightly future-proofed then I feel like money got wasted.

Thunderbolt Display coming in 2011 was quite future-proofed in my opinion it had a higher resolution display than anything standard available at that time, and it had an additional speedy port that could deliver 10gbps throughput, which is still not something in every laptop. Webcam, speakers, microphone, and ambient light sensor are all packed inside a nice aluminium shell.

No doubt that Studio Display is an upgrade over Thunderbolt Display, but then after 11 years, the upgrades are already outdated and zero future proofing.

1. They could've made the panel at least 30inches
2. Added a slot for nvme/sdd or something for time machine back (I mean it already has a processor and full OS).
3. 120hz atleast
4. completely sealed, no vents/fan, passive cooling only.
5. Extra thunderbolt port for daisy chaining.
6. Not must, but it would be great if it was wireless display
7. wireless charing on the base.
 
Generally agree, but in this case I think the presumptions are reasonable. Seeing it at CES shows that they are capable of manufacturing it, and at least at some level have it functional for display, so it's not just an unsubstantiated press release.

On your other points, I think the key is to remember that being a 220 ppi display really pins this as a Mac-focused product. And if you are catering to Mac users, matching the aesthetic of what they already have is a huge bonus. (Remember how much reviews panned the LG UltraFine 5K for this?) "Copying the look" is a GOOD thing here.

Likewise, because of this, it's safe to assume the price will be lower than the Apple Studio Display. If they priced it at parity with the ASD, nearly every buyer who didn't need the S9's input flexibility would simply go with the proven first-party option. The S9 has to be cheaper, or it doesn't have a market at all.

I suppose it all boils down to perspective (pun intended?). While I agree the odds of being released increases with being displayed at CES, the S9 would not be the first product to be shown and not released. But my point is more, let's judge it when it actually is available. It seems premature to be making so much noise as the SD killer. But that's marketing, and the tech reviewers who clearly have been influenced by the manufacturer is telling.

I chuckled at your huge bonus comment. What something looks like rarely impacts my tech buying decision. First criteria is performance. Second is cost. Distant third is appearance, and I can't remember rejecting anything because it was too ugly. Shrugs. I do agree a lot of people these days seem to put fashion over function. But even there, being a close fit to my existing SD is likely to trigger my limited sense of fashion, either match, or don't. close is just an irritation. And when I looked at the LG ultra fine the only thing that held me back was the numerous technical difficulties it had (wifi etc), and that it was wobbly. not the bezel or whatever stupid thing 'critics' panned on appearance. And if I don't have a SD sitting side by side, again, knock off just screams, 'did I fool you into thinking I got the real thing?'

And finally price. Yep. It is safe to assume it will be cheaper. and for some that might be enough. Not for me. I could care less if I save a couple of hundred on something I am likely to be using for years to come. My eyes deserve it.

A lot of people criticize the SD because it is NOT a straight monitor, but has a computer chip controlling a lot of the functions. Yet, in the 'reviews' of the S9 no one mentions the S9 is also clearly run by its own computer, if it has all those smart tv functions built in. Which, yeah, has me concerned on privacy, after trying to minimize my Alphabet soup presence on my computer, the last thing I want to do is invite them into my monitor. So all that is a negative to me.

All this to mean, I will be carefully watching actual hands on reviews and data once the S9 is released. First criteria, Does it really performs as good or better than the SD? Do I want that matte screen? is it as sturdy sitting on my desk? Second criteria, is it substantially cheaper to be worth the difference when spread out over 6 years. Third, can I be sure when the third party software is disabled its not really phoning home my data?

Appearance? Wish it wasn't a knock off. That's just cheap.
 
I’ve owned the ASD (2 actually) for 2 months now and genuinely don’t understand the vitriol that I’ve seen on boards like this and YouTube tech reviews. I will stipulate…it’s pricey and it’s disappointing that it’s not HDR. The camera quality also leaves something to be desired. But if you’re invested in the apple ecosystem, these monitors simply work and they’re really, REALLY good. They look great, they work great, and they even have speakers which I deemed worthy of replacing my Bose desktop speakers that I’ve had for years. I can even plug in to my work laptop (a Lenovo) and use it as a 2nd screen for business if I’m REALLY in a pinch (that is SUPER suboptimal though…would never buy this monitor for that purpose). I’m not sure why they’re the target of so much ire, but so it goes. Even if they came out with a middle ground between ASD and XDR tomorrow, I’d still be perfectly content with my decision to pull the trigger on these end of last year.
 
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I’ve owned the ASD (2 actually) for 2 months now and genuinely don’t understand the vitriol that I’ve seen on boards like this and YouTube tech reviews. I will stipulate…it’s pricey and it’s disappointing that it’s not HDR. The camera quality also leaves something to be desired. But if you’re invested in the apple ecosystem, these monitors simply work and they’re really, REALLY good. They look great, they work great, and they even have speakers which I deemed worthy of replacing my Bose desktop speakers that I’ve had for years. I can even plug in to my work laptop (a Lenovo) and use it as a 2nd screen for business if I’m REALLY in a pinch (that is SUPER suboptimal though…would never buy this monitor for that purpose). I’m not sure why they’re the target of so much ire, but so it goes. Even if they came out with a middle ground between ASD and XDR tomorrow, I’d still be perfectly content with my decision to pull the trigger on these end of last year.

Well you did read/watch the reviews right? - Non-removable stand so you cannot switch from stand to VESA and back. Non-removable power cord unless you're brave. Only one input. Sub-par webcam quality, 2017 IPS panel when the current ones offer much better contrast ratios (2000:1 on IPS Black panels vs 1000:1 on the Studio panels).

No high-refresh-rate when even the laptops come with 120Hz refresh rates now. No mini-LED backlight when even the laptops come with MiniLED backlights equipped with 10,000 LED's across 2500 zones.

Then there's the price. For all the things it doesn't have it is priced like it has many of those features. That is where all the criticism comes from.

I understand your point that it works perfectly with your Mac, but newsflash so do all displays that conform to normal Display Port standards which is just about every one of them.

The two features the Studio has that are rare in other panels is the glossy finish and the 5K resolution. Is that worth paying 3x the price of an SDR 4K display with 2x the contrast ratio, changeable stand, removable power cord, and multiple inputs including HDMI that many want for other devices? - The reviewers said no. You can totally disagree and I'm happy you love your displays.
 
The ViewFinity S9 doesn't compete with the display on the MBP - it's not even close.

The 16" MBP has a Liquid Retina XDR display. Mini-LED, HDR, full array local dimming, 1600 nits peak brightness, and 120Hz ProMotion.

Don't get me wrong - the ViewFinity S9 should be a great option - and many of us are looking forward to it, if for no other reason than it pushing Apple to keep improving. But the S9 is going to be on par with the Apple Studio Display, it's no match for the Liquid Retina XDR.

Yeah once you see those black levels you can't unsee them. If the S9 isn't at least 3000:1 it's a no go for me now, and even then that's probably not even gonna come close to doing it for me anymore...1000000000:1 please
 
I'm a professional photographer who has worked off his 27" 2012 iMac for the last ten years.

Finally stepped up to a M2 MBP 16" a few weeks ago. The upgrade has been great.

Except...

Screen real estate. The 16" screen on the MBP is phenomenal. So amazing that I can't bring myself to spend $2000 (CAD) on the ASD. It just doesn't compare and spending $2k on a LCD panel with no local dimming is absurd. I get that it's 5K, but I'd rather edit on my MBP despite the screen size limitations.

Really hope Apple (or someone) can release a 27" 5K monitor that is on par with my MBP. I'd easily spend $2k on a Micro-LED panel with local dimming that can produce at least 600-700 nits of brightness. I'm hoping this upgrade ASD is closer to the current price point rather than the XDR.
 
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I’ve owned the ASD (2 actually) for 2 months now and genuinely don’t understand the vitriol that I’ve seen on boards like this and YouTube tech reviews. I will stipulate…it’s pricey and it’s disappointing that it’s not HDR. The camera quality also leaves something to be desired. But if you’re invested in the apple ecosystem, these monitors simply work and they’re really, REALLY good. They look great, they work great, and they even have speakers which I deemed worthy of replacing my Bose desktop speakers that I’ve had for years. I can even plug in to my work laptop (a Lenovo) and use it as a 2nd screen for business if I’m REALLY in a pinch (that is SUPER suboptimal though…would never buy this monitor for that purpose). I’m not sure why they’re the target of so much ire, but so it goes. Even if they came out with a middle ground between ASD and XDR tomorrow, I’d still be perfectly content with my decision to pull the trigger on these end of last year.

I have to agree with you. I suspect 99% of the vitriol comes from non-owners of the ASD. I recognize the screen on my 14 MBP hooked to the ASD clamshell mode is better, but the ASD is really, really good. No issues whatsoever going back and forth - no screen snobbery here.
 
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The ASD has a poor contrast ratio. Rtings measured it as only just 1000:1. The better IPS displays have 1200:1, 1400:1, or even 2000:1 with Dell's black technology.

At the end of the day, it's a 2015 era panel wrapped up in a shiny case and a nice fully laminated glass on top. I've seen the ASD in a shop and wasn't impressed to be honest.
 
120hz miniLED and all the other features of the studio display, at 2499 and its an instabuy for me to replacr aging dell p2415q
I would rather it be 32" 6K, with proportional increase in LED number and zone density.
This will be the same fantastical display as seen on 12.9" iPad Pro only almost two times larger in size.

The Pro XDR should be retired.
 
And release a new low cost version of the current studio display that has no smarts, speakers, webcams or ports… just a simple display for those who dont need anything but a beautiful device without the extras
Agree! None of my three 4K display has web camera or other fast port, but decent speaker like iMac 27 2020 will be of good use.
 
Until this monitor is released, I doubt I will be buying a Mac desktop. Once you've used the M1 Pro/Max MacBook Pro and seen that MiniLED HDR display, you can't go back to a regular LCD display.
That's what I feel about my iPad 12.9 Mini LED display.
I need it on a desktop monitor yet there is just no Mini LED desktop display of its quality; even the closest one from Asus, the PA32UCX , costing 3000US$ ~ 4500US$, gives 1200 nits, and half the backlit zones of iPad Pro on its giant 32" panel.
 
You need it, believe me.

Really? Why?

I have mini-LED on my M1 Pro MacBook Pro. Studio display looks great alongside it, but it is just not that important to me. Part of it is that the studio display gets really bright (600 nits is awesome). Sure the black levels arent perfect but they are good enough for anyone who does not get paid for color accurate work.

I can only tell the difference in display (torture) tests designed to show the difference. During normal productivity work and even photo editing the Studio display looks close enough to the mini-LED that I doubt I would get any real benefit.
 
Somebody who actually owns the XDR display said that it is a poor experience for reading text and coding, especially in dark mode, as the backlight zones are too prominent.

So just a heads up that mini-LED is really for Photographers and Videographers, not general usage. What we really need is better quality edge-lit IPS, which is exactly what Dell's IPS Black is. 2000:1 contrast.
 
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Somebody who actually owns the XDR display said that it is a poor experience for reading text and coding, especially in dark mode, as the backlight zones are too prominent.

This is mainly due to it only having 512 lighting zones and being a first generation product for Apple with a FALD backlight. If you instead look at the MacBook Pro's which have 10,000 LED's for I believe 2,500 zones (4 LED's per zone) this effect is gone in 99% of usage.

The only time I can see the zones on a 16" MBP M1 is when the brightness level is set to the lowest it will go in a complete pitch-black room while showing things on the display that are almost black.

So think like a complete nighttime scene in a movie with the brightness of the display at 10% in a pitch-black room.

If Apple were to do a 2nd generation XDR display I think it's pretty much a lock that it won't use only 512 zones again. It will likely be 2,500 zones or more.

The Pro Display XDR is very much a product of its time which is 2019. We've now received much higher quality displays than that in Laptops from Apple so I think it's safe to assume their next super-high-end display will push the envelope further once again.
 
There’s no way that this rumored pro display will be marketed as a mid-tier product. Apple will replace the Pro Display XDR with this rumored display or something similar.

Apple is innovating on their high-end product lines and iterating on their mainstream products.

There’s no way they’ll price a new Pro Display significantly below the current pro model, especially since mini-LED displays remain costly to manufacture.
 
also, Apple really needs to improve the I/O situation on their displays just as they did with their Macbook Pros. Professionals need more downstream connectivity than USB-C 10 gig. Pros need HDMI 2.1, 10 gigabit networking, and downstream thunderbolt ports. We’re hooking up external SSDs. We’re using 10 gigabit fiber optic networks. We are hooking up multiple sources to the same display. Pro devices need to have connectivity for professional users.
 
Well you did read/watch the reviews right? - Non-removable stand so you cannot switch from stand to VESA and back. Non-removable power cord unless you're brave. Only one input. Sub-par webcam quality, 2017 IPS panel when the current ones offer much better contrast ratios (2000:1 on IPS Black panels vs 1000:1 on the Studio panels).

No high-refresh-rate when even the laptops come with 120Hz refresh rates now. No mini-LED backlight when even the laptops come with MiniLED backlights equipped with 10,000 LED's across 2500 zones.

Then there's the price. For all the things it doesn't have it is priced like it has many of those features. That is where all the criticism comes from.

I understand your point that it works perfectly with your Mac, but newsflash so do all displays that conform to normal Display Port standards which is just about every one of them.

The two features the Studio has that are rare in other panels is the glossy finish and the 5K resolution. Is that worth paying 3x the price of an SDR 4K display with 2x the contrast ratio, changeable stand, removable power cord, and multiple inputs including HDMI that many want for other devices? - The reviewers said no. You can totally disagree and I'm happy you love your displays.
"Well you did read/watch the reviews right?" - Of course I did...that's why I referenced them. I still maintain that much of the criticism is nitpicky. Some valid, but nitpicky nonetheless. It's a 5K monitor (rare in and of itself) framed in a large chunk of well designed aluminum with a built in webcam and above average speakers. It's pretty clear what it is and what it isn't.

"Then there's the price. For all the things it doesn't have it is priced like it has many of those features." - If this is your gripe, I submit Apple is not the brand for you.
 
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Every display in the world can have brightness controlled from your Mac keyboard if you use one of the several DDC apps like BetterDIsplay.

Every display in the world can have TrueTone if you leave your Macbook lid open (ok so doesn't work with Mac Mini).
 
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