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Apple's Rumored 27-Inch Display With Mini-LEDs Delayed Yet Again

Quu said:
DSC on Mac for third-party displays is a bit of a contentious issue haha Apple actually broke it with Big Sur for third-party panels. I think some still have it working but it's a big thing. We've had alt-mode on Thunderbolt and the ability to send two thunderbolt signals through one cable for a long time which is separate to DSC but it's part of how the 6K display works.
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Sorry, I just added this, but it came too late for your reply:

You seem to be saying older Macs (without DSC), when running the XDR, will be running it at lower resolution. However, the following post says that they do maintain 6k res even without DSC:

joevt said:
A 5700 iMac uses a single DisplayPort 1.4 HBR2 with DSC signal (6016x3384) to drive an XDR display so it can drive two of them no problem.
Other Macs that support DisplayPort 1.4 but not DSC use dual HBR3 (each 3008x3384) to drive an XDR display at 6K.
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theorist9 said:
Sorry, I just added this, but it came too late for your reply:

You seem to be saying older Macs (without DSC), when running the XDR, will be running it at lower resolution. However, the following post says that they do maintain 6k res even without DSC:
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We're getting all confused here because there are many ways to drive this display haha, it supports raw Display Port, Thunderbolt with DSC and sending two separate video signals down one cable to create one large image from two smaller images.

What you can get out of the monitor differs based on the host driving it. Some macs only support 5K on this, and some only support 4K, you can run this monitor on an iPad even, one of the older ones at less than 6K resolution.

You can also run it on a PC and only get 4K or 5K resolution to show up in display properties, but then you can connect a Thunderbolt card/dock and feed Display Port into that device to get the full 6K to work. Some thunderbolt chipsets only support 5K, some support 6K with multiple video signals, some support it with DSC.
 
Quu said:
We're getting all confused here because there are many ways to drive this display haha, it supports raw Display Port, Thunderbolt with DSC and sending two separate video signals down one cable to create one large image from two smaller images.

What you can get out of the monitor differs based on the host driving it. Some macs only support 5K on this, and some only support 4K, you can run this monitor on an iPad even, one of the older ones at less than 6K resolution.

You can also run it on a PC and only get 4K or 5K resolution to show up in display properties, but then you can connect a Thunderbolt card/dock and feed Display Port into that device to get the full 6K to work. Some thunderbolt chipsets only support 5K, some support 6K with multiple video signals, some support it with DSC.
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OK, I just found this list of the Macs that can drive the XDR at 6k (and I believe 60 Hz):

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And then we have the following superset of all Macs that can officially drive the XDR, irrrespective of resolution. So the Macs on which the XDR is officially supported, but which can't do 6k, would be the disjunctive union (aka symmetric difference) of these two sets, i.e.:

iMac Pro (2017)
Mac Mini (2018)
13" MBP (2016–2019)
13" MBP with two TB3 ports (2020)

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Quu said:
Yes it does. Look back at my post from the other page, you can already connect two 6K Pro Display XDR's at full bandwidth (60Hz, 10-bit with HDR) to a M1/M2 Pro/Max or Ultra equipped Mac via a single Thunderbolt 4 cable.

It just requires a Thunderbolt dock. Apple could totally do a 120Hz 6K Pro Display XDR utilising the same method, by sending two signals through 1 cable (each 50% of the displays resolution at 120Hz) and then combining them inside the monitor using a custom chip.

This is actually exactly how the current 6K Pro Display works on Thunderbolt 3 equipped Macs, two signals through one cable that the display combines. They would do the same thing again just with a doubling of bandwidth.

This is partly why if you look at that dock I showed it doesn't support doing this on the Mac Pro or Intel based MacBook Pro's. The newer Macs have more bandwidth combined with a newer Thunderbolt standard.
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Why would they need this for 6k @ 60hz? A single thunderbolt cable signal already has enough bandwidth to drive it.
 
iBug2 said:
Why would they need this for 6k @ 60hz? A single thunderbolt cable signal already has enough bandwidth to drive it.
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You said and I quote:

iBug2 said:
Maybe first you need to release a Mac that can drive a 5k@120hz.
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And what I was replying to you is that all the M1 and M2 Pro, Max and Ultra systems can already drive 5K 120Hz, they can even drive 6K 120Hz over a single cable.

The proof is that there already exists Thunderbolt 4 docks that allow you to use two 6K 60Hz displays simultaneously via a single cable to those Macs. Since 1 x 6K @ 120Hz uses the same amount of bandwidth as 2 x 6K @ 60Hz.

So if today you can already run 2 x 6K 60Hz via one cable you could also run 5K 120Hz via one cable and 6K 120Hz via one cable.

But only on the M1/M2 Pro/Max/Ultra systems. The earlier systems (2019 Mac Pro, iMac Pro, 2019 MacBook Pro 16" Intel etc) cannot do it. They can only power a single 5K or 6K display at 60Hz via a single Thunderbolt cable.
 
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Apple's rumored 27-inch external display with mini-LED backlighting is no longer expected to launch in the first quarter of 2023, according to display industry analyst Ross Young, who has a very good track record with rumors about future Apple products.

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Young today informed MacRumors that he has not seen any signs of the display entering mass production, suggesting that a launch is not imminent. It appears that the display has been pushed back several times, as Young initially expected it to launch around June 2022, and then in October, and most recently in the first quarter of 2023. He has not provided an updated timeframe for when the display might be released.

Young previously said the display will support ProMotion, allowing for up to a 120Hz refresh rate. Given the rumored 27-inch size, it's possible the display will be a next-generation version of the Studio Display, but it could also be a new model positioned between the Studio Display and the higher-end Pro Display XDR. The current Studio Display features a 5K resolution without ProMotion and is priced starting at $1,599.

Apple released the Pro Display XDR alongside a new Mac Pro in December 2019, while the Studio Display launched in March 2022 alongside the Mac Studio.

Young is the CEO of Display Supply Chain Consultants (DSCC). In the past, he accurately revealed that iPhone 13 Pro and high-end MacBook Pro models would feature ProMotion, that the sixth-generation iPad mini would be equipped with an 8.3-inch display, that the latest MacBook Air would have a slightly larger 13.6-inch display, and more.

Article Link: Apple's Rumored 27-Inch Display With Mini-LEDs Delayed Yet Again
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it means that despite the best attempts of Cook, it is not expensive enough.
 
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DMG35 said:
This should go over really well with those that forked over cash for the Studio Display last year...
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Yes, I think “another display” is just rumors. I don’t see Apple providing multiple monitors or in the business to do so.

One high end monitor and a low end. Yes…that could change of course as Apple is shifting and “thinking different” even concerning in their product lines as of lately, but putting out another monitor after just a year or so does not seem like their current direction.
 
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temende said:
I do wonder what'll happen to the Pro Display XDR if they don't release another display in the next couple of years. Will they discontinue it or just continue to sell a display from late 2019 for original price in 2024?
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Apple will probably do what they always have done and sell the monitor at the same price even though the years and technology changes to not justify the cost. They did it with all of their other displays and I don’t see them changing their thinking about it. The XDR display is still an awesome monitor, but probably the cost now in 2023 is way too high for a 6k monitor. It was expensive when it came out but probably understandable at the time (except for the stand price), but now…way too much.

There are no 6k monitors out in the market (that I am aware of), so no need for them to come out with an 8k monitor right now.
 
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What all of this says to me is that we need others to enter the market. The unfortunate thing IMHO is that what is coming (Samsung and Dell) aren't especially interesting other than that they might be cheaper than Apple. I'd like different - higher refresh and HDR but still retina.
 
I love how when a rumored release date for am unannounced rumored product is wrong, it's Apple's fault and the product is "delayed" instead of just admitting the rumor was wrong.
Is there no personal or professional responsibility any more?
 
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tstafford said:
What all of this says to me is that we need others to enter the market. The unfortunate thing IMHO is that what is coming (Samsung and Dell) aren't especially interesting other than that they might be cheaper than Apple. I'd like different - higher refresh and HDR but still retina.
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True, but what puzzle's me is why doesn't another company put out a monitor at the quality (not just the screen) and as beautiful in design appearance as Apple does? Why are the monitors from Dell and Samsung always mostly so clunky looking and cheap-y in appearance (including LG, but I don't mind LG's Apple offerings or a few others from LG. I have the 24" LG Apple and love it with its two thunderbolt ports including two USB-C ports).

People (Apple customers) will pay a little more for a nicer looking monitor. Come on...you look at it every day and for many hours. Why not make a decent looking design also etc. Yes, maybe Macs are smaller in numbers compared to PCs and probably will not ever come close to the overall market share, but give Apple a run for their money and put out a monitor that can compete with Apple's.

Give us a Nice screen, nice speakers, nice camera, good form, a little less screen glare, with nice price. It is possible with monitors (it is just a monitor and manufacturing costs are not that costly) why not?
 
jtdx99 said:
I wish Apple made a display that I could easily connect to my PC and XSX/PS5 when not using Mac. We need an even cheaper option than the Studio Display!
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You can connect it to a PC but you would need a thunderbolt port on that PC. Something like this HP laptop.

HP Spectre x360 2-in-1 Laptop - 16t-f100, 16"

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temende said:
I do wonder what'll happen to the Pro Display XDR if they don't release another display in the next couple of years. Will they discontinue it or just continue to sell a display from late 2019 for original price in 2024?
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That’s what they do with the Mac Pro computers. Why not the displays?
 
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DMG35 said:
This should go over really well with those that forked over cash for the Studio Display last year...
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that is me and yes. They need to slow their roll to align with economy grinding to halt.
 
lJoSquaredl said:
I was gonna connect my MBA to a killer monitor but since I can't really find anything around 27" that competes with the MBPs yet I'll just get a 16" MBP and drop it on a stand until something decent comes out. Should be some more better options in a year or two.
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Your prayers are about to be answered:
Samsung ViewFinity S9

The Verge:
www.theverge.com

Samsung takes on Apple and LG with its own 5K display for creative pros

It’s the same size and same resolution as the Studio Display.
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

MacRumors:
www.macrumors.com

CES 2023: Samsung's Latest Monitors Include an Apple Studio Display Rival, Updated M8 Smart Monitor

Ahead of CES 2023 this week, Samsung has announced several upcoming additions to its monitor lineup, and perhaps the most interesting model for Apple...
www.macrumors.com www.macrumors.com

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Yay!
 
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lJoSquaredl said:
I was gonna connect my MBA to a killer monitor but since I can't really find anything around 27" that competes with the MBPs yet I'll just get a 16" MBP and drop it on a stand until something decent comes out.
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flottenheimer said:
Your prayers are about to be answered:
Samsung ViewFinity S9
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The ViewFinity S9 doesn't compete with the display on the MBP - it's not even close.

The 16" MBP has a Liquid Retina XDR display. Mini-LED, HDR, full array local dimming, 1600 nits peak brightness, and 120Hz ProMotion.

Don't get me wrong - the ViewFinity S9 should be a great option - and many of us are looking forward to it, if for no other reason than it pushing Apple to keep improving. But the S9 is going to be on par with the Apple Studio Display, it's no match for the Liquid Retina XDR.
 
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