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Tile is so unreliable and sucks so much power in the background, I cannot wait for these things to come out.
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So disable it if you want.

So..... If a phone can be tracked and accessed while it is off, it isnt actually off, right? Most expect that turning a phone "off" completely stops the flow of electrons from the battery, through the circuitry and back to the battery.

This is the complaint.

What's next? Forced OTA updates when the phone is "off"?

Lacking control of the most basic functions of our devices is essentially the manufacturer saying that we dont actually own the device.
 
So..... If a phone can be tracked and accessed while it is off, it isnt actually off, right? Most expect that turning a phone "off" completely stops the flow of electrons from the battery, through the circuitry and back to the battery.

This is the complaint.

What's next? Forced OTA updates when the phone is "off"?

Lacking control of the most basic functions of our devices is essentially the manufacturer saying that we dont actually own the device.
The tracking works when the phone is off?
 
I noticed that Bluetooth stays on in airplane mode when wearing a health monitoring device now.
I imagine someday Bluetooth will be an always-on service on all Apple products.

As far as tiles, I've been using the five-below traxxit device. It works pretty good and alerts you when phone and tile are parted. You can also mute the tile when you close the app but search for the tile later on with the app. Batteries are replaceable.
 
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So..... If a phone can be tracked and accessed while it is off, it isnt actually off, right? Most expect that turning a phone "off" completely stops the flow of electrons from the battery, through the circuitry and back to the battery.

This is the complaint.

What's next? Forced OTA updates when the phone is "off"?

Lacking control of the most basic functions of our devices is essentially the manufacturer saying that we dont actually own the device.
I don’t think your phone can be tracked while it is off anyway - they said while it is asleep.
 
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I’m not even a millennial lol. You can be old and not crotchety, I promise it’s possible.

I know of older people who should be wise from Life's follies, but they are still as complacent and naive as an inexperienced kid.
 
MAN I could've used this about a month ago when my MacBook Pro and iPad were stolen out of my car. The crook was apparently smart enough to turn them off or something because Find My iPhone never showed them. Thankfully I'm pretty confident in data security because I have tried to reinstall iOS on my sister's iPad after she forgot her password and OH MY THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT CALLING APPLE. I'm out whatever dollars, but at least the ******* who stole that stuff is probably sitting with fancy aluminum and glass bricks.
 
I hear you, bro. I was pretty steamed when someone came out with a telephone that fits in your pocket and can make phone calls, and even send and receive emails, when you're out and about.

Apparently you don't hear very well. The issue is laziness. Specifically mental laziness. It's one thing if your tech toy is a convenience. It's another if it's a crutch.
 
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What is cool about the Tile is it is crowd sourced.
So if your stolen bike with a Tile on it can be located by someone else's phone app announcing where the bike was
 
Like another poster said, doubt it’ll be as big as AirPods, but Tile can’t be happy about Apple entering their business. Since a lot of people have no clue what Tile is, on iOS, Apple will most likely quickly gobble up much of Tile’s market share. On Android, it could be interesting — perhaps some users looking for alternatives to this new product they’ve never heard of will find that one has been available for quite some time.

Speaking of which... where the heck are the invites? Isn’t the keynote to be rumored to take place on September 10th? Aka less than 2 weeks away?
For the past two September events, the invites went out a week before the Thursday preceding the event. If that pattern holds, we’ll see them tomorrow.

And for what it’s worth, the median lead time for press invites under Tim Cook’s tenure has been 11 days. That’d put it at Friday (not impossible, but Apple, like many companies, usually doesn’t like sharing news on Fridays unless it’s bad news). The shortest lead time for an iPhone event under Cook’s tenure has been 7 days for October 2011 and September 2012, followed by 9 days for September 2016. That’d put it at Tuesday and Sunday, respectively. Think it’s safe to say we won’t see invites on Sunday.

Somewhat surprised they didn’t send invites today to drown out the Siri grading statement, though, as a big “Look, shiny!” to the press.
 
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If there is a subscription that's a big fat no thanks. Probably cheaper to replace something you lose once or twice in your life then pay a sub your the rest of your life and not lose anything.
Yeah, it's kinda like insurance in that way. I just hope it's not like Tile where you had to subscribe to get new devices because the battery wasn't replaceable. I think they've stopped doing that, though, at least for some of the Tiles.

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I think this could be useful for sowing into my kid's favorite toy. They each have one toy they absolutely need before they can fall asleep and that's pretty much the only thing we regularly lose that takes a long time to find.
 
What is cool about the Tile is it is crowd sourced.
So if your stolen bike with a Tile on it can be located by someone else's phone app announcing where the bike was

This will be crowd sourced by hundreds of million iPhones... game over for Tile
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I agree with this original post that this new "feature" is severely problematic. Think of the privacy implications. I know, you didn't think of that...but if you did think of privacy implications, you would be a bit more concerned.

People are likely to want this feature because 1) they spent $1,000 on a phone and 2) they have all their personal info on said phone, which they don't want a stranger to have. But in the name of "protecting" their "investment" and all their data, such as bank passwords and credit cards, they wittingly or unwittingly grant a giant corporation access to their every move, entrusting all their personal info to said giant corporation. What could go wrong?

(Hint: both problems 1 and 2 can easily be fixed without being tracked by Apple. I suggest not doing your banking or handling critical info on a device you believe you are likely to lose, or which can be lost, whether or not you are likely to lose it.)

We assume nothing will go wrong in terms of privacy, because Apple...but at the same time, even if Apple is truly benevolent, Apple itself becomes a target from being so big and having so much data. And we know how in recent times there have been a whole bunch of major security breaches of large companies...security is just an illusion.

I'm not saying that removing this feature would prevent us from having our every move tracked, because that is obviously not the case. Basically everyone is trying to track us.

Maybe it is slightly better that Apple explains exactly how they are tracking us? But this really does not feel like a natural extension of "we value your privacy", which is something Apple recently said.

Read this, I think Apple has done something really great here.

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluetooth/
 
This is useful, but I hope Apple just sells the trackers outright and doesn't charge a monthly subscription. However this is the new Apple—I wouldn't bet against a subscription service.

yea, def not paying a monthly for this feature. it's not like this guarantees that you will get your item back - it may already be on a plane to eastern europe :)
 
Find my keys? Find my wallet? Are we so A.D.D. that we need tech to do the light lifting for us too? At this rate, the screen generation is going to have full blown dementia by their fourties.
It is much worse than that. Nationwide, an average of 38 kids die each year in hot cars because parents forget they have their CHILDREN in the back seat. There is now a tile type device called eClip that alerts parents on their phone when they leave an infant or toddler in the car. https://www.fatherly.com/gear/best-car-seat-alarms/
 
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I sooo want Apple to release their version of Tile. I think it would change the world, but only if there is no subscription fee and the iFindDevices were affordable. There's so many things this could be used for... elderly parents, kids, pets, valuable possessions.

If the manufacturing of these devices become dirt cheap it could even be used for packages. I've mailed out so many packages with tracking through USPS and they got lost, so the tracking system is kind of a joke.

The privacy issues that this can bring up is huge, but I trust Apple and that they will do the right thing.
 
While my feelings toward Tile isn't as strong as your Kylo Ren level hatred of the Jedi order, I share some of your frustrations.

While their newest Tile Pro has user replaceable battery, they are uglier than non-serviceable and cheaper models.

While I understand why I need to grant "always" location services privacy, I wouldn't go as far and say I am 100% comfortable doing it. Take its privacy policy, for instance:
I don't use Tile and I wasn't aware of the provision in the EULA that they shared your location data. That is a deal breaker for me, if I were in the market for such a device, I would definitely avoid Tile. However, I am very interested in Apple's version. I would love to put one on each of my bikes in case any of them were ever to be stolen.

Because of their small size and likely affordability, I could see these type of devices being abused for covertly spying on people (i.e. epoxy a strong magnet on one and stick it to the underside of someone's car to find out where they live).
 
Find my keys? Find my wallet? Are we so A.D.D. that we need tech to do the light lifting for us too? At this rate, the screen generation is going to have full blown dementia by their fourties.

I’m almost 50, I use to have a keychain that beeped when I clapped when I was in High school. This has nothing to do with screens and generations but rather people.
 
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