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Apple's Sales Team Expressed Fears iPhone Growth Could Stall Due to Android Threat

TechGod said:
Again, with all due respect quality and Google, as of late, go much better then quality and Apple. As to iOS, it has to be the most horribly simple OS that I never want to use. Why? I still can't select default apps? Seriously?:rolleyes:

But that isn't the biggest problem with iOS.
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Well... you definitely won't find Android "horribly simple", I can assure you.

LOL

It makes me wonder what exactly people DO with their phones... with their lives, that causes them to deem a rational, elegant design as "too simple"...

Apple are in charge of the design for the most efficient action, not the users. That's kinda the point of making it simple - you're clearly an exception to their target demographic, but that doesn't mean iOS is "horribly simple" - maybe you just like things to be excessively complicated - I don't know and with respect, care rather little... ah! I dunno - whatever turns you on I guess :D
 
smoledman said:
The ironic thing for myself is that I had originally bought an iPhone 4 in September 2010 only to return it on Antenna-gate grounds the next day. Then I thought I was interested in the first Nexus phone but I couldn't bite on the cost of the monthly plan. Then Windows Phone came out a bit later and I was intrigued. I decided at that point to wait for an acceptable Windows Phone and I got the Nokia Lumia 900 in April 2012(finally I join the ranks). Then I upgrade to a Lumia 920 in April 2013. Then the Nexus 5 comes out at the end of October and *boom* I finally had a Google Nexus phone that I'm rocking to this day. However I had already gotten into the Android ecosystem through the 2nd gen Nexus 7 that I bought in August. I have to say that my initial KitKat experience was on par with my initial iOS experience with the iPad(August 2010). Very magical and I still love it. Once WP8.1 comes out I can update my L920 and rock that for a while again. Why not play around with different devices and ecosystems if you can?
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Exactly.
 
smoledman said:
The ironic thing for myself is that I had originally bought an iPhone 4 in September 2010 only to return it on Antenna-gate grounds the next day. Then I thought I was interested in the first Nexus phone but I couldn't bite on the cost of the monthly plan. Then Windows Phone came out a bit later and I was intrigued. I decided at that point to wait for an acceptable Windows Phone and I got the Nokia Lumia 900 in April 2012(finally I join the ranks). Then I upgrade to a Lumia 920 in April 2013. Then the Nexus 5 comes out at the end of October and *boom* I finally had a Google Nexus phone that I'm rocking to this day. However I had already gotten into the Android ecosystem through the 2nd gen Nexus 7 that I bought in August. I have to say that my initial KitKat experience was on par with my initial iOS experience with the iPad(August 2010). Very magical and I still love it. Once WP8.1 comes out I can update my L920 and rock that for a while again. Why not play around with different devices and ecosystems if you can?
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I see no irony... perhaps you misappropriated the word?

Goodness... >__>

I look at my life sometimes, and thank God that it is simple and free from these unbelievably drawn-out, complex and tangled situations people seem to get themselves all mixed up in... and for what - a PHONE? Pardon me, but that is just... okay, "confusing" to be polite to you.
 
penplotter said:
With the utmost respect, the majority of members are not development-inclined, so I am not going to waste details on the low-level design strategy cock-ups of using Java, thread safe UI/UX etc (with respect, I do not know who you are, I hope you don't take offence :) )
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Oh, I think you'll find a disproportionate number of either developers or people with computer science/engineering backgrounds on this forum.

Why don't you enlighten us? Whilst you're at it, why don't you provide a better alternative to the hardware abstraction provided by Java given the wide range of CPUs Android and its applications need to run on?
 
penplotter said:
One core heatsink, one huge (silent, almost) fan - doesn't seem to be just for the sake of engineering, but then maybe it was... but that's how Apple iterate and refine, by experimenting with beautiful but also elegant designs, and we're the guinea pigs, to some degree. That design is SO obvious and elegant, if I were a competing company I can imagine I'd be thinking "Why didn't WE see that?" Anyway, even if it IS engineering just for it's own sake - which I don't agree that it is, Apple is an engineering company - that's what they do best, and they engineer elegance like no other in the digital realm :)
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But it's targeted at a market where cool looks are irrelevant, like solving a problem that didn't exist.

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smoledman said:
The ironic thing for myself is that I had originally bought an iPhone 4 in September 2010 only to return it on Antenna-gate grounds the next day. Then I thought I was interested in the first Nexus phone but I couldn't bite on the cost of the monthly plan. Then Windows Phone came out a bit later and I was intrigued. I decided at that point to wait for an acceptable Windows Phone and I got the Nokia Lumia 900 in April 2012(finally I join the ranks). Then I upgrade to a Lumia 920 in April 2013. Then the Nexus 5 comes out at the end of October and *boom* I finally had a Google Nexus phone that I'm rocking to this day. However I had already gotten into the Android ecosystem through the 2nd gen Nexus 7 that I bought in August. I have to say that my initial KitKat experience was on par with my initial iOS experience with the iPad(August 2010). Very magical and I still love it. Once WP8.1 comes out I can update my L920 and rock that for a while again. Why not play around with different devices and ecosystems if you can?
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I think you brought up a good point, actually trying different devices is a good experience. It gives you time to learn the new device and OS so you can really evaluate if it suits your needs. Too many try something in the store for 30 seconds and say it's no good because it's different than what I'm used to.
 
CosmoFox said:
You are always the first one to point out that Apple isn't perfect, which we already know.
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There are a whole lot of people in this forum who don't already know this and aren't as reasonable as you are...It's this group that provokes the Apple bashing.

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PlanetFree said:
You forgot to add the price the android user pays to google by allowing google to harvest user private data to sell to googles real customers its advertisers.
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Provide ONE credible link supporting your claim that Google sells this information to its ad clients...

With Blackberry,Windows,Apple you are the customer with Google you are the product.
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I bet you really do believe that don't you? You honestly believe that Microsoft and Apple ads are not targeted at you based on your demographical details?
 
SlCKB0Y said:
Oh, I think you'll find a disproportionate number of either developers or people with computer science/engineering backgrounds on this forum.

Why don't you enlighten us? Whilst you're at it, why don't you provide a better alternative to the hardware abstraction provided by Java given the wide range of CPUs Android and its applications need to run on?
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With ART especially, my nexus 4 flies.
 
AppleScruff1 said:
But it's targeted at a market where cool looks are irrelevant, like solving a problem that didn't exist.
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Do you own the machine, and do you understand why Apple make products? I'm not implying I do, it's a simple question in its' own right - no agendas :)

It's not always to "solve a problem" as such - they are innovators, and whether you think that's gratuitous engineering or not, tell me somewhere you can buy an equally powerful, advanced and clever machine for ~£3,000 with such amazing specs, that runs Mac OS X and which is SILENT. It would take the "PC" world another decade to innovate and change to that degree - all the tech is there, but Desktop PC designers are lazy and uninspiring, the evidence of that is in every high street shop and online PC builder's site - they are ALL variations on legacy themes - a "safe" zone, overpriced and all merge into one abstract, sameish form (and function) factor.

Apple don't JUST solve current problems, they're setting the stage for the future, far in advance of its' arrival. I'm very confident that they'd now consider this "NEW" Mac Pro "old hat" as compared to all the stuff they have yet to announce - just because WE have only just seen it, is meaningless - they've had that vision, designed and built it INTERNALLY for many years, that I guarantee you :)

There doesn't have to be a "problem to solve" - if they'd left the Mac Pro design the same internally but cosmetically different, people would justifiably complain.


It's done, it is a beauty and all the "dustbin" jokes in the world just show how ignorant, irrationally jealous and limited in vision people are, in general (not you - in general).
 
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penplotter said:
Do you own the machine, and do you understand why Apple make products? I'm not implying I do, it's a simple question in its' own right - no agendas :)

It's not always to "solve a problem" as such - they are innovators, and whether you think that's gratuitous engineering or not, tell me somewhere you can buy an equally powerful, advanced and clever machine for ~£3,000 with such amazing specs, that runs Mac OS X and which is SILENT. It would take the "PC" world another decade to innovate and change to that degree - all the tech is there, but Desktop PC designers are lazy and uninspiring, the evidence of that is in every high street shop and online PC builder's site - they are ALL variations on legacy themes - a "safe" zone, overpriced and all merge into one abstract, sameish form (and function) factor.

Apple don't JUST solve current problems, they're setting the stage for the future, far in advance of its' arrival. I'm very confident that they'd now consider this NEW Mac Pro "old hat" as compared to all the stuff they have yet to announce - just because WE have only just seen it, is meaningless - they've had that vision, designed and built it INTERNALLY for many years, that I guarantee you :)
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There are other computers more powerful than the new Mac Pro. Some run dual processors. Some run dual processors and more powerful video cards. Clever doesn't add to the functionality. People are enthralled with its looks. Take the same components and put them in the old Mac Pro case and it still performs the same, but no wow factor.

I understand why Apple makes products. They do it so they can make as much money as possible selling them. They don't do it because they are nice guys that have the public's best interest at heart. Like every major corporation, money is the driving force.

No, I don't own the Mac Pro. Do I think it's cool? Yes, because of the form factor. Does that form factor make it do it's job better than the same hardware in a conventional tower?
 
AppleScruff1 said:
There are other computers more powerful than the new Mac Pro. Some run dual processors. Some run dual processors and more powerful video cards. Clever doesn't add to the functionality. People are enthralled with its looks. Take the same components and put them in the old Mac Pro case and it still performs the same, but no wow factor.

I understand why Apple makes products. They do it so they can make as much money as possible selling them. They don't do it because they are nice guys that have the public's best interest at heart. Like every major corporation, money is the driving force.

No, I don't own the Mac Pro. Do I think it's cool? Yes, because of the form factor. Does that form factor make it do it's job better than the same hardware in a conventional tower?
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I better wear the same pair of shoes all my life then - I don't wanna rock the boat :D

*SIGH*
 
penplotter said:
I better wear the same pair of shoes all my life then - I don't wanna rock the boat :D

*SIGH*
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Variety is the spice of life. So people shouldn't get locked into everything Apple. Be different, like Apple used to be. Don't buy an iPhone. Every 12 year old at the mall has one. Get something distinctive. :)
 
AppleScruff1 said:
Variety is the spice of life. So people shouldn't get locked into everything Apple. Be different, like Apple used to be. Don't buy an iPhone. Every 12 year old at the mall has one. Get something distinctive. :)
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I don't buy things to be "like" people - I am 39 years of age, I live very happily in a remote village with very few trips to the town :) I am not 18 - I couldn't care less what other people like, why would they care what *I* use? I am NOT a fashion victim (victim is definitely the word), I buy Apple machines because I love them - it's as simple as that, and they work very well. I have ZERO Macs, ONE iPod and ZERO income to buy a Mac (yet).

:)
 
AppleScruff1 said:
No, I don't own the Mac Pro. Do I think it's cool? Yes, because of the form factor. Does that form factor make it do it's job better than the same hardware in a conventional tower?
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I would argue less. The old Mac Pro looked very good and had almost infinite flexibility in terms of expansion. The growing trend for Apple to use proprietary interfaces, form factors and protocols benefits no one except Apple.
 
SlCKB0Y said:
Well yes! My post should have read "provide us with a better solution besides ART, which is already being deployed".
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But ART is experimental and its only in developer options. We will probably see it as the always enabled feature in 4.5 or 5.0 which I can't wait for.
 
smoledman said:
I use Android 4.4 every day on phone/tablet and it's one of the best OSes I've ever used in my life. I don't know what the haters are going on about except spreading FUD.

Now I was disappointed that:

* Bluetooth quick toggle only takes you to the settings page instead of acting as a real toggle
* No sound profiles, needed to download an app for that

Now I don't like Google's privacy practices, but that doesn't take away from their engineering brilliance.
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HTC Bluetooth toggle switch turns bt on, Are you on a nexus?..
 
ghost of jobs said:
HTC Bluetooth toggle switch turns bt on, Are you on a nexus?..
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yeah, most likely he's on nexus or a vanilla ROM.

it's something I noticed when moving to 4.4 on the nExus 5 from other ROM's and even touchwiz. most of the other ROM's and Skins use it as quick toggle on and off, but in 4.4 Nexus 5, it takes you to the settings page.

There's a Widget though that I use to accomplish the same thing to give me quick toggle for WiFi, BT, GPS, Orinetation and brightness.
 
I'm all for the 4.7 inches! I think that's the sweet spot.
No you're not the only one who is happy with 3.5 or 4 inch, and no you're definitely the only one who's not contented with 3.5 or 4 inches either As for me, I'm happy with 4.7, which is why I'm waiting for the announcement of the next iPhone. I was honestly so close to going to HTC One M8 because of the screen size and the design alone (kind of shallow, I know).
 
I love my S4

I was so worried about switching from an iPhone, however, I love my Samsung Galaxy S4. I wanted a larger size screen and a phone that had some customization that didn't look like a cluttered desk-top. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a masterpiece and beautiful. But, that beauty of glass requires a ugly phone cover to protect it from the elements.
 
Harlowgold1 said:
I was so worried about switching from an iPhone, however, I love my Samsung Galaxy S4. I wanted a larger size screen and a phone that had some customization that didn't look like a cluttered desk-top. Don't get me wrong, the iPhone is a masterpiece and beautiful. But, that beauty of glass requires a ugly phone cover to protect it from the elements.
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My story as well. Still have an iPhone but rarely use it. Love the screen on the S4 and the camera. Never had any issues with Android OS either.

Now - if Apple were to have a 5" screen, I would consider switching back for my primary phone. But it would be a tough sell...
 
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