Apple's Secure Video HomeKit Feature Requires a 200GB or 2TB iCloud Storage Plan

[nutmac]

Am i reading this right?
you have at least the 200gb plan and you utilize these cameras and the recordings don't eat away at any of the paid storage?

Yup, Secure Video joins My Photo Stream and iCloud Music Library (enabled via paid subscription to Apple Music or iTunes Match) features where uploaded data does not count toward iCloud storage space.

10-day worth of 24x7 video uses about 100 GB at the highest 1080p quality. For typical user, you are probably uploading about 10 GB worth of clips per camera.

 

[PastaPrimav]

Given this, I would never allow Ring cameras in my home...
Do the privacy issues matter to you (I mean that seriously, they do for some and not for others)? If so, how are you solving the problem currently?

I'm not going to address this comment other to say: your privacy concerns are of the typical headline-driven fly-by-night pretend kind. I can absolutely positively guarantee you that you accept privacy violations on a daily basis that are far more egregious than Amazon doing product development.

It is annoying and obnoxious to listen to headline crawlers like you pretend to understand privacy issues, or violations.

No one needs to "solve" any privacy problems with Ring cameras. I'll sit here and wait for you to show me all of the examples of people suffering as a result of privacy "violations". I say "violations" because no one has ever demonstrated that any of what Amazon has allegedly done are even violations of anything. They are just headlines.
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10-day worth of 24x7 video uses about 100 GB at the highest 1080p quality.

What? 1-day's worth (24 hours) of 1080p video is on average 172 GB. Compressed to hell it could be 100 GB. From one camera.

In 10 days you're looking at 1 TB.

Which is precisely why absolutely no one should be uploading 24x7 high quality recordings to the cloud. Insane waste of bandwidth, even if you can spare it. Anyone feeling the need for this should just get an NVR system. They are higher quality, easier to install thanks to PoE, give you local, private storage...which you can remotely access and stream from anywhere. Reolink, Swann, etc.

I think most people who start to get into home security are being drawn in by heavily advertised smart home products, and actually have no idea what they're doing, what to expect, or what to demand.

 

[nutmac]

What? 1-day's worth (24 hours) of 1080p video is on average 172 GB. Compressed to hell it could be 100 GB. From one camera.

In 10 days you're looking at 1 TB.

Nest security camera at the highest resolution (1080p) uploads 300 GB in 30 days.

Of course, some cameras do better compression than the other. And uploading 300 GB per camera per month is far from practical for most home owners. Not only do they use a significant percentage of your monthly quota (typically 1 TB), they use a significant percentage of meager upload bandwidth (typically 6 Mbps and each camera uses more than 1 Mbps).

Ideal compromise is HomeKit Secure Video with a camera that has local storage (like Netatmo).

 

[spazzcat]

5 cameras and 30 day storage on Arlo for zilch, nada, nowt, nothing. I'll be expecting Craig to come around at least once a month and personally blow me off to give them a tenner for the same service.

Still, I'm sure the execs need those extra zeroes on the salary they already cannot spend.

Edit - looks like I got a special deal but for new sign ups at £9.99 you get 10 cameras, still double the benefit of Apple's service.

And if you upgrade to the new system, the free Arlo plan goes away.

 

[greg8799]

I am really thinking about ditching Nest for Homekit enabled devices. Nest charges absurd prices for cloud video storage...

Same here! Nest are charging way too much money so it’ll be interesting to see their response to Apples new offering.
Fingers crossed new HomeKit routers will be running WiFi 6 to cope with the bandwidth needed for all the connected smart devices.

 

[PastaPrimav]

Nest security camera at the highest resolution (1080p) uploads 300 GB in 30 days.

Of course, some cameras do better compression than the other. And uploading 300 GB per camera per month is far from practical for most home owners. Not only do they use a significant percentage of your monthly quota (typically 1 TB), they use a significant percentage of meager upload bandwidth (typically 6 Mbps and each camera uses more than 1 Mbps).

Ideal compromise is HomeKit Secure Video with a camera that has local storage (like Netatmo).

That isn't practical for anyone. You should have cheap, local storage for 24x7 recordings, which you can access remotely at any time.

This is what I mean by people being drawn in to this concept by popular consumer products, and not realizing there are tons of products that do what you actually want far better.

 

[macric]

That isn't practical for anyone. You should have cheap, local storage for 24x7 recordings, which you can access remotely at any time.

This is what I mean by people being drawn in to this concept by popular consumer products, and not realizing there are tons of products that do what you actually want far better.

I myself am looking in to the the Unifi Cloudkey 2+ system

 

[mrex]

That isn't practical for anyone. You should have cheap, local storage for 24x7 recordings, which you can access remotely at any time.

This is what I mean by people being drawn in to this concept by popular consumer products, and not realizing there are tons of products that do what you actually want far better.

using old phones here when out for a long time... free and no need to buy any plans or more devices.

 

[dantroline]

I love it when all the truth comes out a few days after the keynote.

It's typical Apple. Not only will you let Apple collect all of your personal data, including (not unlikely) transcripts of your domestic disputes, but you will pay Apple for the burden of storing it.

 

[macdragonfl]

Same here I have 5 of them, hope Logitech supports this feature!

I have three, but circle safe storage is much more expensive at $17.00 per month. Hopefully a software update to use them is all required.

 

[nutmac]

I have three, but circle safe storage is much more expensive at $17.00 per month. Hopefully a software update to use them is all required.

Logitech Circle Safe cloud storage is actually quite generous, as 1-day recording (not continuous recording) is free for unlimited number of cameras. This no doubt costs Logitech some money.

But if large percentage of users are paying for $3.99/month to $17.99/month for Logitech Circle Safe subscription, Logitech probably won't be motivated to offer firmware update that enables HomeKit Secure Video to existing Circle 2 customers.

I don't have Circle 2 and I heard that motion detect algorithm on free and $3.99/month to $6.99/month tier isn't very good. Only $9.99/month to $17.99/month tier does person detect.

While HomeKit Secure Video's motion detect algorithm remains to be seen, it can distinguish various types of motion (e.g., person).

 

[Itinj24]

Logitech Circle Safe cloud storage is actually quite generous, as 1-day recording (not continuous recording) is free for unlimited number of cameras. This no doubt costs Logitech some money.

But if large percentage of users are paying for $3.99/month to $17.99/month for Logitech Circle Safe subscription, Logitech probably won't be motivated to offer firmware update that enables HomeKit Secure Video to existing Circle 2 customers.

I don't have Circle 2 and I heard that motion detect algorithm on free and $3.99/month to $6.99/month tier isn't very good. Only $9.99/month to $17.99/month tier does person detect.

While HomeKit Secure Video's motion detect algorithm remains to be seen, it can distinguish various types of motion (e.g., person).

The Logitech Circle 2 desperately needs a motion sensitivity slider. I’m getting notifications all through the night for every moth, fly, mosquito, etc that crosses the cameras field of view.

 

[Coffee50]

This was posted on Logitech's community site from the Circle Team.

Circle 2 Wired Cameras will support HomeKit Secure Video with a free firmware update later this year - stay tuned for more details.

Glad to hear this! No need to purchase new hardware!