Apple's Security Compromises in China Outlined in New Report

[Superhai]

At least India doesn’t have 2m people locked up in a modern day concentration camp. Confucius says China is run by an evil corrupt dictatorship.

I doubt Confucius would say that. And while India doesn’t have the camps, they have their share of internal conflicts, the more famous the insurgency in Assam, Nagaland, Kashmir, and the Naxalite movement. Communal violence is also endemic and while not sanctioned federally, on a local level you can’t expect equal treatment.

But i did not claim Chinese government to be great, and my reply was about corruption and the take on its success.

 

[69Mustang]

Seriously. Apple has repeatedly stated over the years they comply with laws in all countries in which they operate. That also includes product manufacturing and sales in China.

It may be old news to you because you follow Apple tech news. I'd wager the general public does not.

It would be no different if an article popped up stating designers can't import images into the Forza livery editor. Every design has to consist of shapes supplied by the game. You might say, "That's crazy. There's no way some of those designs only consist of random shapes." Then I'd say, "Bruuuuh... where you been? Erbody and they momma knows that. That's day one, game one knowledge."

Just like most people have no idea about the inner workings of Forza's livery editor, they have no idea about Apple's acquiescences in China.

 

[wankey]

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell. 🤣

Everything in your house is made in China, yet you’re okay with believing everything in China is a lie.

Boggles my mind western brains

 

[9927036]

Corruption exists in China, but it is not why China has success, quite the opposite. It is their authoritarian system combined with Confucian ideas.
And while i hardly would call it communist, the poorest have on average gotten much higher living standard. Compare it to India which in many ways have similarities, but because of rampant corruption never are able to properly feed their poorest.

Really? That's rather funny since China is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party. 🤣

"The Communist Party of China (CPC), commonly known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the founding and sole governing political party of the People's Republic of China (PRC)."

I can't imagine what freedom linux is disagreeing with? It's a quote from Wikipedia.

 

[grad]

Can someone of the patriots here explain why on earth should users' data in every foreign country (including China) be stored in USA or be accessible to USA government and its secret agencies ?

 

[Naraxus]

Timmy Cook is such a despicable hypocrite. Always talking tough on human rights except where his masters in Bejing are concerned.

Then it's the "We can't do anything about it/We follow local laws" claptrap copout all the while happily employing slave labor to build their products on the cheap.

There is ALWAYS an option Timmy. Get some integrity for once.

 

[-DMN-]

After the Snowden revelation, it would be nuts to voluntarily keep your data in the U.S.

Not surprised, your standing up for China. Listening to phones calls, and controling someones life and lively hood are not even on the same playing field.

 

[Superhai]

Really? That's rather funny since China is ruled by the Chinese Communist Party. 🤣

"The Communist Party of China (CPC), commonly known as the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is the founding and sole governing political party of the People's Republic of China (PRC)."

Oh you mean how Peoples Republic of China is “People’s”, and even better the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is both democratic and people’s? 😌

 

[fischersd]

Most countries have lawful access legislation guys. The only choice you have is not to do business in that country. China's economy is too vast for any global company to not do business there.
The government files a subpoena for the encryption keys in closed court and the service provider hands over the access.

Apple really couldn't afford to move all manufacturing out of China.

For those that don't want "big brother" having access to their data, don't backup your data to the cloud. The keys are only to what's stored in the infrastructure, not what's on your device.

 

[DanTSX]

Maybe Qanon is more your speed.

He’s not being extreme. But you are.

 

[tridley68]

Apple bowing down to communism what a shame.

 

[MacLawyer]

I understand Apple is a tough spot in the PRC, but please Tim, stop preaching to us. You're on shaky ground.

 

[KanosWRX]

We all bow to Steve Jobs and team, they all bow to China. Anything for a dollar.

 

[jonnysods]

I believe privacy is a fundamental human right (for the right price)

 

[Capeto]

So no actual proof of any wrongdoing, and the Chinese government can basically do the same thing the NSA & the US government can with regards to user data.

What’s the point of this story, other than stoking anti-Chinese fears? And then you’re wondering why attacks and assaults against Asian-Americans have been steadily increasing.

 

[wankey]

Maybe Qanon is more your speed.

We found the offended one. NYTimes is a well known narrative generator, anyone who works in journalism understands them very well.

It's relatively simple - remember when people absolutely hated Apple (an arguably silly tech company that has nothing to do with anything) with real physical anger? Yup. That's the same strategy as this.

 

[wankey]

What about EU, north/South America, Jason, korea, India, etc

Jason is one person.

The other things are literally continents...

Korea only has a population of 40 million, and India is the only other contender with 900 million smartphone users (although India has a GDP problem here - their GDP is approximately double of Canada, which means their ability to buy outside stuff that isn't subsidized isn't useful to Apple's profit engine)

So actually India is massively taken over by Xiao Mi and other Chinese companies. iPhone still remains very lucrative.

 

[The Phazer]

Apple says that it still controls the keys that protect the data of Chinese customers, and the China data center is using the most advanced encryption technology available, which is more advanced than what Apple uses in other countries.

Lol, what a ******** statement. Encryption technology is encryption technology, no fancy encryption schema matters when you literally hand over the decryption keys to a despotic government, and host the datacenters on their soil.

Who is Apple trying to kid here? Apple have a choice, and as we've seen with them pulling apps in China, they decided that stopping sideloading so they can rent seek via the App Store was worth more than the lives of the Chinese dissidents Tim is culpable for the death of. It's that simple.

 

[9927036]

Oh you mean how Peoples Republic of China is “People’s”, and even better the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is both democratic and people’s? 😌

LOL

 

[matrix07]

but security experts have said that China could demand data or simply take it without asking Apple, especially given compromises in encryption key storage and the fact that a third-party company manages customer data on Apple's behalf.

There are no "third-party companies" in China. Every company in China is under CCP's foot. Every gathering of people being a commercial company, university etc. requires creating communist party organizations within every one of them.

 

[I7guy]

Timmy Cook is such a despicable hypocrite. Always talking tough on human rights except where his masters in Bejing are concerned.

Then it's the "We can't do anything about it/We follow local laws" claptrap copout all the while happily employing slave labor to build their products on the cheap.

There is ALWAYS an option Timmy. Get some integrity for once.

Why do I have a feeling Apple won’t be looking towards this thread for suggestions on future policy.

 

[9927036]

Most countries have lawful access legislation guys. The only choice you have is not to do business in that country. China's economy is too vast for any global company to not do business there.
The government files a subpoena for the encryption keys in closed court and the service provider hands over the access.

Apple really couldn't afford to move all manufacturing out of China.

For those that don't want "big brother" having access to their data, don't backup your data to the cloud. The keys are only to what's stored in the infrastructure, not what's on your device.

Sure it could. The cost of assembling an iPhone is the smallest overall cost.

 

[jimbobb24]

Just your daily reminder China is a totalitarian socialist country and the socialist party rules a billion wonderful Chinese people.

And is this the same apple that lectures average Americans on their politics while they sell out all their “principles” chasing money in China. Ok buddy.

 

[I7guy]

[…].

This is why I don't like SJW's, they're naive and ignorant, and think the world is a simple plaything to fix. They don't understand nuance of politics, why sometimes what you think works doesn't work.

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Somehow I get the feeling there is an allusion to Tim Cook. A person that can take a company to $2T is far from naive.

I’m sure many would like to see Tim end what Steve started, but it’s not the reality of the situation.

 

[M5RahuL]

I doubt Confucius would say that. And while India doesn’t have the camps, they have their share of internal conflicts, the more famous the insurgency in Assam, Nagaland, Kashmir, and the Naxalite movement. Communal violence is also endemic and while not sanctioned federally, on a local level you can’t expect equal treatment.

But i did not claim Chinese government to be great, and my reply was about corruption and the take on its success.

The internal conflicts, as you stated, are cross border terrorism sponsored by... wait for it.... ... CHINA ( w/ Pak it's bi** ) China is outright communist in it's dealings ( business & citizens alike ).. People's Republic is just a front that wags it's tail to CCP. Having traveled ( unfortunately ) countless times to mainland China over the years, I am SO thankful for being born in the US! A few parts aside ( which could be true of mostly any place ) most of CHINA is a huge pile of dump, and full of extremely poor folks!