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Apple's Security Compromises in China Outlined in New Report
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Curious... do you own any products, tech or non-tech, manufactured in China?
Tim Cook is no SJW, nor did I say he was naive. He understands what it takes to get there, whether it is bowing to a one party system or to create phones that slow down over time or need to be replaced every few years…
What an outright ignorant and racist post, China is a huge pile of dump filled with extremely poor people. Wow.
I hate to tell ya buddy, that might’ve been true maybe 50 years ago, the the vast majority of the world has gotten wealthy, whereas most Americans have gotten poor.
But live in your bubble man, you do you.
Just curious, does Google do the same thing? If not I might switch to Android.
So many people claim to have 'traveled countless times to mainland China' when it is so obvious that they have not.
Anyway, what is the big deal about. If it was American data Apple should totally get called out over it. However, it is Chinese data. The article just reeks of arrogance.
Anyway, what is the big deal about. If it was American data Apple should totally get called out over it. However, it is Chinese data. The article just reeks of arrogance.
Well that is why I was asking the question, it sounded as if the shoe fit, but glad you said Tim is no SJW (which runs counter to other opinions on MacRumors, but to each their own). In spite of your opinions below, Apple has somehow managed to move the needle...especially in this last year. BTW, when you say every few years...I'm sure you mean about 10 years? Because my iphone 4 is still "working", such as it is and my 5s is also still working nicely on ios 12.
Yes, nothing really new here, but nicely put black on white.
The huge mistake was for Apple to setup their factories in China, and so become dependent from China. Every company that has setup shop in China has been f***ed. Watch this happen to Tesla next.
This is entirely SJ and Tim Cook's fault. It was preventable, not inevitable. But now it's too late. And so Apple's hypocrisy when preaching privacy and human rights is just ridiculous.
The huge mistake was for Apple to setup their factories in China, and so become dependent from China. Every company that has setup shop in China has been f***ed. Watch this happen to Tesla next.
This is entirely SJ and Tim Cook's fault. It was preventable, not inevitable. But now it's too late. And so Apple's hypocrisy when preaching privacy and human rights is just ridiculous.
You know nothing about geo-politics right?
A few parts aside ( which could be true of mostly any place ) most of United States is a huge pile of dump, and full of extremely poor folks! Look at Chicago, look at California with street full of homeless, look at your New York subway filled with dumps and mice.
Take that. United State is no fancy land, it has its share of problems. United States or any other countries can speak to China from position of strength.
Well, agreed.
But at least on this side of the world where we can still vote with our wallets it actually suits us that Apple takes all the privacy initiatives they can, even if it is just because they are following the money, so that we can profit from.
It is definitely true that Apple isn’t making ApplePay secure, browsing private, iPhone data encryption hard to break, etc for the love of all the colors they like to portray... but as long as they try to do that successfully I’ll be buying into that security and convenience of the ecosystem (or illusions of) compared to all the other options out there that aren’t even trying. The others are not even attempting to fake market or sell anything.
Well SJ started it and by 2011 it was too late. However, hypocrisy or lack of is not as binary as the post makes it out to be. But YMMV.
If it not China, it will be India or any other countries that can offer cheap labor. This is what Apple is doing and all other western companies are doing.
Every country will put their interest first and Apple will find itself depend on other country as well. When India factory has riots or out of control pandemic in India, do you wish Apple was invested heavily there?
The difference is that: apple under Tim Cook in incredibly hypocritical and that the technical capabilities in China are not hampered by constitutional limits.
the reason that the Snowden revelations of NSA activities was newsworthy was because they were unconstitutional. China does not have even those constitutional limits on state investigative power.
It’s not just about labour. People asking for Apple to not accede to China’s demands is essentially asking Apple to not do business and not sell any products in China at all.
How is that helping the local Chinese people who won’t get to own or use Apple products?
Apple is not here to wage the US’s political battles for you or for anyone.
Exactly. I never understand the rationale behind boycott China thing.
How is boycott China will help prompt so called human rights or freedom? Pulling out of China really does not accomplish anything. It only helps local Chinese firm and Chinese advancement.
Oh ********. Tim Cook is an SJW in every sense of the word:
"Social justice warrior (SJW) is a pejorative term used for an individual who promotes socially progressive and liberal views, including feminism, civil rights, gay and transgender rights, and multiculturalism.
Social justice warrior - Wikipedia
China should be thrown out of the WTO until they comply with the rules like everyone else.
the West is basically funding China's military expansion and bullying of it's neighbors. Bunch of greedy *******
the West is basically funding China's military expansion and bullying of it's neighbors. Bunch of greedy *******
There's a choice, but this was an existential one.
Not only would Apple have forgone the $50 billion in sales in China, but they would have put in serious jeopardy their entire Chinese iPhone supply chain that can't be replicated anywhere else.
So yes, Apple could have stood up to china, but the price would have been to jeopardize iPhones everywhere.
Would love to hear your take on what Apple should have done here.
You are right, but China's become the drug kingpins of capitalism and we're all addicts unable to tear ourselves away from the sweet, sweet high of material goods. I mean, you like shiny new things too, right?
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?? Chinese data remains at rest in China. Hmm and what is wrong with that and why does that compromise security?
China is not the only country in the world with such requirements.
What am I missing that this is newsworthy and deemed a security compromise?
China is not the only country in the world with such requirements.
What am I missing that this is newsworthy and deemed a security compromise?
What are you missing?
Well, for instance that the Chinese government are in POSSESSION of Apple's servers. Apple can only operate them remotely. Tell me another country where this is the case?
Secondly, there are no lengths China won't go to survey their citizens and this move essentially prevents Apple from keeping their customers' data secure and private in China. Again, please tell me another country where Apple is prevented from running their own servers and thus prevented from maintaining a chain of custody of their customers' data?
I would love to hear what you would have done in Apple's shoes?
Yes, they could have pulled out of China and lost out on $50 billion in sales.
And while that would have been a hard sell, it would not have been impossible.
What makes this an all but impossible situation for Apple is that their supple chain - which cannot be replicated anywhere else in the world - is in China.
So essentially this is an existential question for Apple. Will we stick to privacy even if it means being unable to operate and produce new products, or will we do the best we can in this untenable situation.
Anyways, curious to hear your solution to this.
Curious to hear what would you have done in Apple's shoes in this situation?Oh ********. Tim Cook is an SJW in every sense of the word:
"Social justice warrior (SJW) is a pejorative term used for an individual who promotes socially progressive and liberal views, including feminism, civil rights, gay and transgender rights, and multiculturalism.
Social justice warrior - Wikipedia
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