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Seems pretty insane considering last quarter, Samsung sold about 15 million GS3's and fewer Note 2s......I'd like to know where the other 50 million smartphones come from as well.....

Since Samsung only reports shipments to carriers, could it be possible the 70 million includes initial shipments of the GS4 to carriers? Timing might not be right though.....

galaxy s2 and the other cheap galaxy s models

big market in the USA for people who want something free or $50 on contract

outside the USA these sell for $300 and that's the sweet spot in pricing for most of the world
 
galaxy s2 and the other cheap galaxy s models

big market in the USA for people who want something free or $50 on contract

outside the USA these sell for $300 and that's the sweet spot in pricing for most of the world

Do you really think those models outsell the GS3??

Seems weird to me.....The fact that this is a "shipment" table and they're using Apple's numbers for iPhone SALES is also a little bit fishy.

Just wish we could know what actually makes up those numbers. At least with Apple's we know that 37.4 million is about 19 million iP5s and the rest iPhone 4S and 4.
 
Being a Samsung Note 2 owner I want HTC to step it up. Since Apple can't deliver the goods I would like to have more Android options.
The Samsung hate will only fail because their is another Android oem ready to fill the gap.
 
The "smartphone market" is getting harder and harder to judge because, pretty soon, ALL phones will be technically smartphones. Then, when a smartphone is bought by someone who just wants a phone, that still counts as a smartphone but the "smart" bits may as well not be there if they aren't used. It's like how a packed in game with a new console is counted as the number 1 best seller... of course it is! Doesn't mean anything though.

There are loads of smartphones being bought by people as phones and not used in any way as "smart" devices and, to top it off, the "smartphone" term is now applied to devices that aren't really comparable. To count the Nokia Asha phones alongside Nexus 4s and iPhone 5s is mad - they're "smart" by the barest of margins.
 
Do you really think those models outsell the GS3??

Seems weird to me.....The fact that this is a "shipment" table and they're using Apple's numbers for iPhone SALES is also a little bit fishy.

Just wish we could know what actually makes up those numbers. At least with Apple's we know that 37.4 million is about 19 million iP5s and the rest iPhone 4S and 4.

outside the USA yes. $650 plus VAT is too much for a phone

in the USA the people with no smartphones will go for the cheapo phones more than the expensive ones.
 
Incomparable, Samsung have a zillion cheap phones and the contracts are always cheaper for android, along with phones being free for a vast majority of them....

Don't read too much in to this folks, it is all smoke and mirrors.
 
How reliable is IDC data? Lets not forget in 2011 they were predicting Windows Phone to overtake iOS by 2015.
 
Seems pretty insane considering last quarter, Samsung sold about 15 million GS3's and fewer Note 2s......I'd like to know where the other 50 million smartphones come from as well.....

Since Samsung only reports shipments to carriers, could it be possible the 70 million includes initial shipments of the GS4 to carriers? Timing might not be right though.....

The other 50M came from the butt of the IDC analyst.

Remember IDC just predicted Mac sales fell by 7% when in fact they fell by 1.3%. They were off by a factor of 5 in estimating the decline of Mac sales. And IDC has Apple's actual numbers with which to ground their estimates every quarter. IDC has not had Samsung actuals for 3 years or more.

Their report is not worth the paper it is printed on (even if it was printed on used toilet paper).
 
How reliable is IDC data? Lets not forget in 2011 they were predicting Windows Phone to overtake iOS by 2015.

Lucky for them that Samsung never reports actuals so IDC is never proven wrong by Samsung.
 
Seems pretty insane considering last quarter, Samsung sold about 15 million GS3's and fewer Note 2s......I'd like to know where the other 50 million smartphones come from as well.....

Since Samsung only reports shipments to carriers, could it be possible the 70 million includes initial shipments of the GS4 to carriers? Timing might not be right though.....

There are lots of cheap smartphones nowadays.

There are people buying for $600, for $500, $400, $300, $200, $150, $100, $80, $50, $20. The proportion of people buying at each price stays the same. What changes is that the same people buy smartphones now, not because they want a smartphone, but because today, the $200 or $150 or $100 phone is a smartphone, and next week the $80 phone will be one.

And because of that, Apple's market share in the artificial "smartphone" market shrinks, because even though Apple doesn't care that you don't buy an iPhone if you only had $100 to spend in the first place, all the $100 smartphones are reducing Apple's market share. Apple doesn't care.


At first glance it was surprising to see Apple only grew 6.6% where each other top 5 vendor grew at least 50% and the "other" category grew 37%.

But then it clicked. The premium market is saturated. The only room for growth is at the bottom, which is exactly why analysts are pushing for a cheaper iPhone.

I'm still not convinced that a cheaper iPhone would be the best move for Apple... but if they want to have growth greater than 6% year over year, that is certainly what needs to happen.

There is no growth at the bottom. Every time some vendor sells a $100 smartphone, they have lost a buyer for a $100 feature phone. The only slightly meaningful number is the total phone market. A more meaningful number would be to count sales in dollars, not sales in units. If A sells a million phones for $600 each, and B sells six million phones for $100 each, they make the same revenue, yet one has six times more "market share".
 
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the only thing these number show is that Apple is too slow at getting their phone on the largest provider in China. ZTE and the other company I can't even spell Huawai are exploding and I am certain that is strictly due to an explosion in China that Apple is getting close to missing as those phones are likely running android. Samsungs numbers are meaningless because they sell smartphones at $99 outright where they make almost nothing, their numbers are impressive but for them its profit share that is more of a concern. The real important numbers for Apple imo are the ZTE and Huawai explosion and Apples stagnation
 
Samsung is dominating. Apple needs a model with a 2013 screen. The current iPhone is so 2010.

Screen on iPhone is fine. seems like this study sould be broken up into 'smart phone' and 'feature phones'

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Is Nokia trying to go out of business ? wth...

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i know but they chose to do only windows phones. Things could have been different if they did a good android phone too.

Why?

the phone is just as good with window OS. Seems like issue is poor marketing.
 
And because of that, Apple's market share in the artificial "smartphone" market shrinks, because even though Apple doesn't care that you don't buy an iPhone if you only had $100 to spend in the first place, all the $100 smartphones are reducing Apple's market share. Apple doesn't care.


If they keep on "not caring" they actually WILL be in trouble.
Their margins are shrinking quickly and can't be offset by growth. That means their profits will shrink quite drastically. Correction. Not "will shrink". It has already begun.

Samsung is playing both the high-end and the high-volume game quite successfully. They just increased their profit by 42% while Apple's profit shrank by 18%.

I simply don't understand how they can keep their head in the sand for so long. They did it right with the iPod and the iPad Mini. Why are they clinging to an obviously failing strategy with the iPhone? It's more than obvious that people want larger screens and that the high-end market is saturated.

Tim Cook keeps saying that if they don't cannibalize their own products, someone else will, and that's exactly what's happing here. 2013 will be a terrible year for Apple because they should have seen this coming. They should have released a cheaper iPhone at least one year ago along with an additional iPhone 5 model with a substantially larger screen. They didn't and whatever they do now, it will be very late.
 
What i DON'T like about the iPhone is Poor Screen quality compared to the Super AMOLED screens on the Samsungs,

Samsung amoled screens are among the worst in the business. Awful color accuracy. Very low brightness. Ever see a Samsung screen that wasn't greenish tinted? Me either. See displaymate.com analysis. iPhone 5 has one of the most accurate screens in mobile phones.
 
The screens on iPhones are far more accurate and of a much higher quality than Samsung displays



Battery life preforms much better on the iPhone than on the S3.

You can ignore the facts and live in your own bubble as long as you want. Won't change reality.
 
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