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Anyone can sacrifice margin for market share. That's easy. The point is to maximize profits and that's what Apple does, hence why Apple rakes in 70% of the profits in the entire mobile phone industry.

Market share matters only up to a point and that point depends on your business model. Apple is a hardware vendor - that's how it makes its money. For Google the thing that matters is market share because they need eyes on ads and to be able to get their hands on data. Those are both perfectly legitimate business strategies, of course.

Now, I know what people will say - if Apple fails to hold onto the largest market share the platform will lose dev support. Well, in reply to that I say: WWDC sold out in 90 seconds. Clearly the slide in market share isn't putting off the developers who still make far more money from iOS than Android.

Plus, iOS is bigger than iPhone. If you combine iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch sales you've got hundreds of millions of customers per year and these customers buy apps and surf the web, unlike Android owners who appear to do sod all with their tablets.

1) Quoted as people should really read this and understand it

2) Motorola went down the marketshare path. If that doesn't give you pause, I'm not sure what will. Heck, Motorola isn't even on the list now, they're clumped into "other."
 
iOs 7 will bring better results. Hardware is flawless, software and price is the reason why people go to Samsung.

Hardware flawless ... What about scratching cases right out the box!

The reason why I moved from an iPhone 5 to an S3 was precisely because of hardware; bigger better screen, SD card slot, removable battery, wireless charging and just nicer to hold, even if it is made of plastic!
 
I have many iOS devices. Have had an iPhone since 2010 and am owner version 5.
I saw the initial reviews of the Galaxy S4 and it looks just WOW!
The features it offers simplifying tasks are amazing compared to my iPhone5.

It is a shame that iOS is stuck in the stone age compared to latest versions of Android. Even turning on/off simple functions like WiFi or Bluetooth involves digging inside many submenus. CUMBERSOME!

I love the iPhone, but the way Apple limits the developers for accessing APIs that could improve iOS is terrible. Apps like Launch Center Pro that could offer immense possibilities (http://appcubby.com/launch-center/) are just crippled by Apple. The same happens with apps like Xmarks that cannot integrate themselves into Safari. And that are just a couple of examples.

In the hardware department the S4 blows the iPhone 5 out of the water with its screen, NFC and many other features, but what's really sad is the lack of innovation in iOS.

I went for the iPhone5 in december because I already have more than 200 apps on the iOS, and having iPad and iPod touches in the house seemed like the correct choice, but I really don't see Apple making the changes needed to keep pace with Android. Maybe on 2 years I will finally jump the fence if iOS is not updated to at least comparable Android functionality.
 
How reliable is IDC data? Lets not forget in 2011 they were predicting Windows Phone to overtake iOS by 2015.

These numbers are as reliable as any analyst - entirely made up. Only Apple reports actual sales.

I can believe the smart phone market is growing, but the fact is Samsung is the phone people are offered, Apple is the phone people choose to buy.

Once this expanded consumer market of people who have no idea what a smart phone is, get a taste for smart phones, they'll go Apple next time. It's like cheap mp3 players - they're so bad, people buy an iPod within 6 months.

It's also pretty clear that most Android customers don't use their smart phones as smart phones. They may never buy iPhone, or they may take longer to go iPhone.

Analysts don't take this into account, because it spoils the story they're trying to push - competition for Apple. There probably isn't any real competition, hence the need to lie. The S III doesn't sell all that well, again, a fact ignored by analysts.
 
What i DON'T like about the iPhone is a far longer list, Poor Battery Life, Poor Screen quality compared to the Super AMOLED screens on the Samsungs, tiny screen size, price for what you get is appalling compared to competitors.

Screen quality. Ugh, see here we have another person who doesn't know a damn thing about actual screen quality. The iPhone 5 has THE MOST color accurate display on the market. What you THINK is "quality" in Samsung AMOLEDs is actually incredibly inaccurate, oversaturated colors that make it pop more. But that doesn't make it a QUALITY screen, it makes the colors far more inaccurate and just appear better to the uneducated eyes.

Price for what you get is appalling? Hmm, ok, you think spec sheets and numbers is a true measure for quality.....I bet you think a Toyota Supra with a massive turbo and 900 whp is a superior quality car than an Aston Martin because, well the spec sheets don't lie ;)
 
But let's look at actual results.

Android has almost 3 times the market share of Apple's iPhone... yet web traffic from iPhones is way above Android... developers overall are more happy with iOS... and iPhone customers are extremely satisfied.

Apple might not have the "biggest number" on the market share chart... but I'm not seeing Android boast about anything except that market share number.

Great... Android has the most market share... now what are they doing with it?

I'm not seeing the problem by Apple not having the most market share.

I'm starting to believe that the headline "Android dominates smartphone market share" is nothing more than a headline.

There's no compelling story after that...

It will be too too too too late when the “compelling reason” has already surfaced to the after-market statistical data. It’s already a little late for Apple to not act on it, yet.
 
Same here, but we life in the native country of the makers of the iPhone. I hear that in massive parts of Asia, the iPhone is rare and Samsung is common. I've also heard that it's in Europe where Windows does best...

That makes sense. And I think Nokia never went out of style in Europe. I was excited about Nokia's new hardware but then tried it out in a Microsoft Store and was disappointed with Win.whatever version is on that thing.


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So much for meaningless tripe. All any business needs to care about is how much did the product contribute to the bottom line. Show me those numbers to compare the important stuff.
 
These numbers are as reliable as any analyst - entirely made up. Only Apple reports actual sales.

No, Apple report phones shipped, the only sales reported by Apple are the ones made through the Apple Stores, both retail and online.

The S III doesn't sell all that well, again, a fact ignored by analysts.

Where do you take that the S3 doesn't sell well?
 
iOS has almost zero to do with iPhone marketshare. If that were the case, iPad and iPad mini wouldn't be dominating as much as they do. Last time I checked they run iOS.

In the phone market, Apple really only competes on the high end and they make 80% of the entire mobile phone industry profits because of that. But pretty much everyone has a cell phone no matter how much money you make.

When it comes to tablets though, that's more of a luxury. People in developing countries on limited incomes aren't purchasing tablets. So the cheap low end tablets aren't finding much traction.

You can also see the play out in the U.S. (where people are generally more well off) where the iPhone is leading in marketshare and increasing its lead while Android continues to drop. It's all about money. People love iOS. It has the highest satisfaction rating among consumers which is pretty telling. So not sure why you think this has anything to do with it.

The only thing that could really increase Apple's market share around the world it to simply offer a cheaper phone. It doesn't have to have a bigger screen (the iPhone 4 is selling like gangbusters on Verizon), new redesigned OS, or any of the silly stuff clueless people on tech forums say.

It simply has to be cheaper. Point blank. Because at the end of the day, that's all getting more marketshare is about. Of course profits is a whole different matter though (and much more important), which is why Apple might not ever just make a cheap iPhone just to get more meaningless marketshare.

i disagree with the notion that more well off countries buy more iphones. im currently working in qatar which is the wealthiest countries in the world at the moment. and since s3 and note 2 release iphone sales have dropped alot. iphone is seen as boring and uncool.

price has nothing to do with samsung phones selling well. samsungs top selling phones cost the same as an iphone. in europe in asia.
 
I've seen people switch from Blackberry to the iPhone... and from Android to the iPhone.

I'm finding no proof that "once you use Android... you'll always use Android"

Plus... if you've only got less than $100 to spend on a smartphone... your only option is Android. It may be a case of "I could only afford this cheap phone... and it happens to run Android"

In other words... the platform wasn't the motivating factor... price was.

When they can finally afford a more expensive phone... they might be thrilled to switch to iOS.

Again... I'm seeing little evidence of people sticking with Android because that's all they know.

“most likely” doesn’t equal to “always”, please don’t try to bend the argument just for the sake of making yourself look better. Because of the merit of iOS, its users’ stickiness is definitely higher for now (but I’ve already seen quite several people switching to Android). For the same merit, some of those low-end-to-middle-range-to-high-end upgrades will sure switch to iOS, but the pure physics of “inertia” will still play a big role at that time, very few normal customers enjoy the learning curves when they can easily avoid it.
 
It will be too too too too late when the “compelling reason” has already surfaced to the after-market statistical data. It’s already a little late for Apple to not act on it, yet.

Hmmmm... Android already has 3 times as much market share as the iPhone.

Most of Android's phenomenal market share is due to extremely cheap phones sold around the world that aren't competing with the iPhone in the first place.

They're not being used for much other than phone calls and texting... and they're certainly not moving the needle with developers.

And that makes Apple too late?
 
These numbers are as reliable as any analyst - entirely made up. Only Apple reports actual sales.

I can believe the smart phone market is growing, but the fact is Samsung is the phone people are offered, Apple is the phone people choose to buy.

Once this expanded consumer market of people who have no idea what a smart phone is, get a taste for smart phones, they'll go Apple next time. It's like cheap mp3 players - they're so bad, people buy an iPod within 6 months.

It's also pretty clear that most Android customers don't use their smart phones as smart phones. They may never buy iPhone, or they may take longer to go iPhone.

Analysts don't take this into account, because it spoils the story they're trying to push - competition for Apple. There probably isn't any real competition, hence the need to lie. The S III doesn't sell all that well, again, a fact ignored by analysts.

Wow. Your analysis of Samsung, the consumer market, and Android customers is about as accurate as the analyst you deride in your post.:rolleyes:

No matter how emphatically you state your case, your analysis doesn't pass the sniff test. Again, kind of like you say the analysts information doesn't pass your sniff test.

pot-kettle;)
 
In addition the form factor needs an update. Blackberry and HTC have surpased the look of the iPhone and customers like the larger screens. If they insist on keeping the screen the same size then get rid of the big circle button so the device itself can be smaller.

Just my opinion.

Call me crazy... but I am pretty curious to go take a look at both the Blackberry and HTC in person. They look cool. But I also thought that way about the S3, and it felt so cheap when I held it. And my concern with the Blackberry would be availability of software I need/use for my business on the go.
 
Oh look! IDC made up some more numbers about Samsung smartphone shipments!!!

What a load of crap. 70M??? really? Which phone was that? Since GS3 was only selling 5M per month at its peak and the Note 2 was selling at 1M per month.

Does Samsung have some other secret phone lineup that they are selling to fairies, pixies and gnomes?

Do you have better numbers? Unfortunately for you, all numbers support IDC and not you. Be it the number of Android device activations reported by Google, Samsung profits (which are on par with Apple now), or reports from other analysts like this one.

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Samsung still sells the original galaxy in Canada for just over 100$ no contact. It's a great phone for texting and angry birds and as a music player it's still unmatched by any phone. people buy the iPhone on contract with a data plan while lots of android are bought off contract with no data which is why iPhone has more web usage but I doubt it has more text phone call usage. for me screen size is why I don't own an iPhone anymore. I don't carry a tablet and I do a lot of reading on my phone so screen size is the most important feature for me.
 
Their margins would suffer even more. Market share doesn't mean anything when you can't make a profit, just ask HTC, LG, Sony, etc.

A few years ago, there was this computer seller eMachines. They sold about as many computers as Apple at the time; the only difference that they made $1 per computer in a good year, and lost $1 per computer in a bad year. Their market caps was about $750 million. So for $750 million, Apple could have doubled its computer market share. Instead, Acer increased their market share.

With these numbers, how can market share be meaningful? Apple could have bought 37.4 million really cheap dumb phones in the last quarter, and given one away for free with every iPhone sold. For $370 million, probably less, they could have doubled their market share. (I always have a phone in the glove compartment of my car, just in case. Turned off permanently. Needs charging twice a year).

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i disagree with the notion that more well off countries buy more iphones. im currently working in qatar which is the wealthiest countries in the world at the moment. and since s3 and note 2 release iphone sales have dropped alot. iphone is seen as boring and uncool.

Qatar is not exactly known as the country where people have the best taste. :eek:
 
But let's look at actual results.

Android has almost 3 times the market share of Apple's iPhone... yet web traffic from iPhones is way above Android... developers overall are more happy with iOS... and iPhone customers are extremely satisfied.

Apple might not have the "biggest number" on the market share chart... but I'm not seeing Android boast about anything except that market share number.

Great... Android has the most market share... now what are they doing with it?

I'm not seeing the problem by Apple not having the most market share.

I'm starting to believe that the headline "Android dominates smartphone market share" is nothing more than a headline.

There's no compelling story after that...

So, what exactly does the web traffic market share has to do with anything? Sure, iPhone is popular in US, Canada and Australia. A lot of teenagers have it here and they consume a lot of web traffic (youtube, facebook etc.) Teenagers in other countries who own mostly Android phones are a little bit more busy working for a living and have less time to waste on messaging to their friends about what they had for breakfast.
 
So, what exactly does the web traffic market share has to do with anything? Sure, iPhone is popular in US, Canada and Australia. A lot of teenagers have it here and they consume a lot of web traffic (youtube, facebook etc.) Teenagers in other countries who own mostly Android phones are a little bit more busy working for a living and have less time to waste on messaging to their friends about what they had for breakfast.

Super Fantastic post good sir
 
Hmmmm... Android already has 3 times as much market share as the iPhone.

Most of Android's phenomenal market share is due to extremely cheap phones sold around the world that aren't competing with the iPhone in the first place.

They're not being used for much other than phone calls and texting... and they're certainly not moving the needle with developers.

And that makes Apple too late?

Please tell me how you figure cheap smartphones don't compete with the iPhone? That makes no sense. Every dollar spent on the cheap phone is a dollar not spent on the iPhone, and more importantly future revenue not generated in iTunes. Apple is in the business of making money.

I am amazed when people spout the "they're not being used for much other than phone calls and texting" line. You feel this way why? Could it be the reports that say iPhone users have the majority of web traffic or app sales? All that says is they spend more time on the web and purchase more apps. In no way does that correlate to cheaper phone users not using those features. It just says that they typically do it less than iPhone users
 
Apple should reconsider the release of the iphone 5S and should go for a new redesigned iPhone 6! The iphone outer design and iOS are becoming STALE and will further affect their stock and market sales if they don't make a change soon. Better chip and camera lens is not going to fool anybody, except fanboys lol..
 
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