Apple's Share of U.S. PC Shipments Rises to 12% in 2Q 2012

[G51989]

You are just being myopic. Any bluetooth keyboard works with an iPad. Including Apple's excellent bluetooth keyboard.



I'm sure the keyboard that no one has tried will be excellent. But it sure looks great in a demo

I've used they keyboard, its not bad.

As far as anyone not using

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/hands-on-with-microsoft-surface-for-windows-rt/


Couple of others got some hands on time, they like it.

Microsoft has been trying to put a desktop OS on a tablet for more than a decade. This isn't new. Very few people wanted that. The iPad outsold 10 years of Windows tablets in less than a week.

Indeed they have been, but it was more or less a regular windows OS that you could use a Pen to Interact with, we had a ton of the damn things in my last year of college, it de generated into people drawing dicks and send them to each other via messenger.

Microsofts early attempts were just well, a lack of anything good.

The surface with windows 8, well its different that one. Full desktop OS thats actually made for touch? Yesssss. The fact that you SHOULD be able to go down to the desktop UI if you want is super nice to.

I think having the keyboard and track pad ( mouse if you want ) with the desktop UI, and metro for touch might be a winning combination.

I think another reason the early tablet's didn't sell well was because they were intended for business. And just STUPID expensive. Battery life was pretty horrible, so were the screens. But that had to do with the fact that it was 10 years prior. Tech has come a LONG way since then.

Absolutely

Indeed, I DO like the iPad a lot. But its lack of fucntion is something that means I could never justify the cost of one, even though its not very much money. I think the Surface is the only thing that might put a dent in the iPad, because Android tablets are crap I don't think anyone has competed with the iPad yet, because no one has really been trying hard enough.

If you ignore the previous 10 years of Windows tablets.

If I ignore SOME of those tablets, mine even had a convertible keyboard/swivel thingy. But when I mean " blur " I mean its very much like a windows tablet of old. But, it has the hardware power of an ultrabook ( almost ), its a HUGE step up from most other tablets in hardware power, which means it can run more serious software.

Sure, but I think the reason the iPad is popular is that it isn't trying to be a laptop. Meanwhile the Surface can convert into a laptop that you can't use in your lap!

The iPad started out being popular, because at that point, and still. Apple could wrap a dog turd in mold, call it the ' iMoldturd ' and it would sell by the millions ( heavy sarcasm )

Yes, it is a popular device, and its a good one. But that doesn't change my opinion that there is a pretty big group of people out there screaming for something like the surface, no reason the two devices cannot co-exist.

I do think the Surface is the only tablet that has a chance of really taking on the iPad.

It's not trying to be anything per seeeeee. I love the idea of its little integrated cover and keyboard.

What the surface is, is a laptop you can use on the tablet, and use its full desktop OS in desktop mode with your keyboard/trackpad/mouse.

Don't feel like that? Whip the tablet out of its case, and sit on the couch.

I like it. Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I think it could be a huge hit.

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It doesn't have to replace all PCs to effectively replace them as the dominant product in the market.

I know of a couple IBM mainframes still in service around my city. Every other business uses PCs, x86 rack servers, or mobile devices. Those mainframes were not 100% replaced.

There are still a few rich little girls around the county who stable and ride horses. Everybody else switched to cars decades or centuries ago. Those pretty horsies were not 100% replaced.

This might be true in 20 years, within the next 5? I doubt it.

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I'm not sure why you said "except". I agree completely.

As do I, I personally see the iPad as something you can use for light usage at work, and content consumption for most people. I think the Surface will be more for the so called ' power user '

You say "OS of a smartphone", I say "OS of a tablet" or "OS of a mobile device" or "OS designed to be used primarily for multitouch input".

I think he means " OS of a smartphone " because its the iPhone OS, blown up on a bigger screen. An iPad is much more capable machine than the phone, lets take advantage of that. And do this thing called multi tasking.

Microsoft is still trying to put an OS designed for a desktop/laptop in a tablet.

Thank god for that. And Windows 8's Metro UI is mostly desinged for tablets, and having used a Zune ( Metro ), Windows Phone 7 ( Metro ), and the windows 8 preview ( more metro ), I really like metro. Its the first innovative thing to come out of any company UI wise in a couple years.

I'm sure this iteration will sell better, especially in enterprise, because Microsoft has put much more effort into completing the touch interface. I'm just not sure what problem the surface solves that isn't better addressed by an ultrabook or it's successor.

I think it will, Microsoft is offering the Windows 8 upgrade to XP and 7 users ( vista lolz ) for 40 bucks so they can stuff as many people on to 8 as they can, then they can say things like " Integrate your computer, phone, xbox and tablet! " or whatever their add spoof will be.

Well, the surface pro nearly has the power of an ultra book, while being cheaper than a good number of them. And unlike the ultrabook, the screen comes off. Some people will want that.

(To me, a kickstand is an acknowledgement of a design compromise that was too big to ignore. )

Idk, I think the kickstand is a totally awesome idea, tons of other tablet cases already have em.

 

[BaldiMac]

I've used they keyboard, its not bad.

I'm not sure what keyboard you are referring to here.

As far as anyone not using

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/18/hands-on-with-microsoft-surface-for-windows-rt/


Couple of others got some hands on time, they like it.

That's not true. From the link you posted:

"Unfortunately, we didn't get to see a working demo of the keyboards."

Full desktop OS thats actually made for touch? Yesssss.

Except for the parts that aren't made for touch.

The iPad started out being popular, because at that point, and still. Apple could wrap a dog turd in mold, call it the ' iMoldturd ' and it would sell by the millions ( heavy sarcasm )

You call it sarcasm, I call it a lack of critical thinking.

What the surface is, is a laptop you can use on the tablet, and use its full desktop OS in desktop mode with your keyboard/trackpad/mouse.

Don't feel like that? Whip the tablet out of its case, and sit on the couch.

Unless you want to use on of those apps that you need the "full OS" part for that isn't optimized for touch. Than you can't sit on the couch because the laptop configuration won't actually work on your lap.

I think the Surface will be more for the so called ' power user '

I think the "power user" will still prefer a laptop.

I think he means " OS of a smartphone " because its the iPhone OS, blown up on a bigger screen. An iPad is much more capable machine than the phone, lets take advantage of that. And do this thing called multi tasking.

I know what he meant. And he meant it as a derogatory classification. Much like you do. I think my terms much more accurately reflect the reality.

Thank god for that. And Windows 8's Metro UI is mostly desinged for tablets, and having used a Zune ( Metro ), Windows Phone 7 ( Metro ), and the windows 8 preview ( more metro ), I really like metro. Its the first innovative thing to come out of any company UI wise in a couple years.

So, iOS for iPad was a smartphone OS because it evolved from the iPhone OS. But Metro was designed for tablets even though it evolved from a smartphone UI via a game console UI. Do you see what you are doing here?

And the part that you are missing completely is that the iPad will have the most apps designed specifically for tablet use by a huge margin for the foreseeable future. It's not even going to be close for many years.

 

[G51989]

I'm not sure what keyboard you are referring to here.

I've used TONS of iPad keyboards, I was not referring to Microsoft Keyboard.

The main reason I have not bought an iPad, as much as I like them, is lack of hardware power/compatibility with anything I personally use.

That's not true. From the link you posted:

"Unfortunately, we didn't get to see a working demo of the keyboards."

Dohhhh, wrong link.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/46153/surface-for-windows-rt-tablet-preview

These guys, DID get to hold and feel up the keyboard, it looks great.

Except for the parts that aren't made for touch.

Yes, and when your not using the keyboard, you can use the touch. No one is forcing you to use the keyboard at all times.

Does the iPad even offer anything not for touch or full programs? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

You call it sarcasm, I call it a lack of critical thinking.

I call it a joke with zero seriousness in it

Unless you want to use on of those apps that you need the "full OS" part for that isn't optimized for touch. Than you can't sit on the couch because the laptop configuration won't actually work on your lap.

Your missing the point, if your using something that IS optimized for touch, and most Metro apps will supposedly be optimized for touch, its REALLY easy to pull it off its little case/dock and use it as a tablet. And when you want to use your keyboard/track pad for your full OS, you put it on a flat surface and smash away.

I think the "power user" will still prefer a laptop.

Of course they will, but if a ' power user ' wants a tablet at all, I think they would perfer the Surface to an iPad, as a ' power user ' myself, if I was forced onto a tablet, I'd go surface for work, iPad for home.

Then again, a Surface can't run anything I need it to, neither can any apple product in existence ( lack of hardware power, even in the Mac Pros case ).

I know what he meant. And he meant it as a derogatory classification. Much like you do. I think my terms much more accurately reflect the reality.

I do not mean it in a derogatory meaning at all. iOS is a great " light " or mobile os. However, it CANNOT compete with Windows 8, or 7, or OSX on any level. Same way as android can't.

So, iOS for iPad was a smartphone OS because it evolved from the iPhone OS. But Metro was designed for tablets even though it evolved from a smartphone UI via a game console UI. Do you see what you are doing here?

The difference here is, under the hood. iOS is still a very limited " mobile OS " if some people want to call it. While Windows 8 is a full blown desktop OS.

And the part that you are missing completely is that the iPad will have the most apps designed specifically for tablet use by a huge margin for the foreseeable future. It's not even going to be close for many years.

While the Surface Pro will launch with far more " apps " than even exist on the Apple side.

Your are correct of course, there are far more iOS touch based apps in existence, and that is not likely to change, though if I'm TOTALLY honest. The majority of iOS Apps are things like Angry Birds, not totally useful stuff.

I'm not dissing the iPad in any way shape or form, its an awesome device, ansd if it was not such a limited device. I would own one.

 

[BaldiMac]

Dohhhh, wrong link.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/46153/surface-for-windows-rt-tablet-preview

These guys, DID get to hold and feel up the keyboard, it looks great.

And, again, they didn't actually get to use it.

Does the iPad even offer anything not for touch or full programs? Oh yeah, it doesn't.

That's the point! The programs on an iPad are designed for an iPad! By not requiring developers update apps to be used on the Surface, Microsoft will have to accept that a lot of developers aren't going to update their apps.

Your missing the point, if your using something that IS optimized for touch, and most Metro apps will supposedly be optimized for touch, its REALLY easy to pull it off its little case/dock and use it as a tablet. And when you want to use your keyboard/track pad for your full OS, you put it on a flat surface and smash away.

I'm not missing the point at all. You are going to be limited to Metro apps while you're using it as a tablet. Only by allowing other apps, Microsoft is taking away the incentive to update legacy apps to Metro. We saw the same thing with previous Microsoft tablets.

Of course they will, but if a ' power user ' wants a tablet at all, I think they would perfer the Surface to an iPad, as a ' power user ' myself, if I was forced onto a tablet, I'd go surface for work, iPad for home.

So, you think a power user would want an underpowered laptop with a small display and a tablet without the best tablet optimized apps, rather than a full laptop and a better tablet. I'm still going to disagree

I do not mean it in a derogatory meaning at all. iOS is a great " light " or mobile os. However, it CANNOT compete with Windows 8, or 7, or OSX on any level. Same way as android can't.

Of course iOS and Android can compete on the most important level to this conversation... as a better mobile OS.

The difference here is, under the hood. iOS is still a very limited " mobile OS " if some people want to call it. While Windows 8 is a full blown desktop OS.

Yep. And yet you still don't seem to see how I would think that a mobile OS would be a better mobile OS than a desktop OS. Weird.

While the Surface Pro will launch with far more " apps " than even exist on the Apple side.

But far fewer when you are using it as a tablet.

Your are correct of course, there are far more iOS touch based apps in existence, and that is not likely to change, though if I'm TOTALLY honest. The majority of iOS Apps are things like Angry Birds, not totally useful stuff.

That's not being TOTALLY honest. That's just FUD. Trying to cloud the issue with vague, unrelated claims. I could say the exact same thing about Windows.

If you are being TOTALLY honest, you would realize that the iPad will have far more "totally useful stuff" than the Surface when you are trying to use it as a tablet.