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Free tablets given away with purchases. What scummy tactics Samsung! :mad:
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http://www.mobiles.co.uk/free-apple-ipad-wifi-sleeve.html

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Sarcasm?

That's a 3rd party reseller - and is offering the iPad with many phones - not just the Samsung. Might not have my sarcasm meter working this morning though :)

I should emphasize the
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Lots of good deals on free tablets over here. :D
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(although paying £46 per month for a ****** Nokia isn't in any way shape or form a good deal! - AVOID AVOID AVOID!)
 
Shipments aside, Apple's iPad is still the thing to have. There will always be people that settle for an Android based tablet to save some money, but most still prefer iOS. Until that changes, Apple doesn't have to worry.

Not sure about "the thing to have". I have to implement tablets in a technical field, and due to restrictions of the iPad we are forced to use Android tablets. Because of this I see the Android tablet to continue its increase in sales especially on the business side. As an Apple nut (but not blindly so) I am concerned that we will see a similar thing as we see on the PC side. business must use Android/Windows due to limitations, etc, etc....With that said....iPad is a great device and for those saying it is "doomed"...you are crazzzzzzy:) Have a great Thursday.:apple:
 
Not sure about "the thing to have". I have to implement tablets in a technical field, and due to restrictions of the iPad we are forced to use Android tablets. Because of this I see the Android tablet to continue its increase in sales especially on the business side.

My point was that the iPad is viewed by the average "non-geek" person as the best tablet. In my experience most people rank tablets in this order:

1) iPad
2) Kindle Fire
3) "Never heard of it"
 
Yes, the Mac survives as a niche product. And Apple is forced to develop the core software because so few other companies can be bothered to invest substantial sums in order to sell very few copies of Mac titles. If not for Apple spending huge amounts to keep it afloat, and practically giving away Mac software for free, it would have died years ago.

Last time I checked, Mac is a second largest PC segment, with all major applications available such as MS office, Adobe Creative Suite apps, 3D, Autodesk, Corel, all main music apps, in many cases being actually a leading platform - such ProTools on Macs, etc. Apple gives away what software? - its Pages, Keynote, Numbers, Garageband, iPhoto are all not free and not sold for 99 cents either. Even if their software is not as expensive, Apple hardware and peripherals are one of most expensive, though with good quality - Macbooks, iMacs, Apple Airport Extreme and Express, AppleTV, Apple keyboards and other things included are typically much pricier than Windows counterparts or even Linux PCs. There are no free giveaways to anyone. iPads and iPhones are one of most expensive gadgets in their categories, yet they all are bestsellers. Your logic is clearly wrong here.


All the cool new software was available only on the PC. We'll start to see that in mobile platforms too, as iOS devices continue to fade in the face of people overwhelmingly choosing Android devices.
It depends on what is defined by cool. There is a lot of cool software available only for Macs too. As for iOS devices - I think that actually coolest mobile software is available on iOS, both in terms of quality and quantity, though iOS is clearly behind in terms of malware and viruses available both for Android or PCs.

Will iOS survive? Yes. Will it be the platform that runs the coolest newest software? Less and less as time goes on. Its the ecosystem, stupid.


What is logic behind this? We've already seen that iOS is actually leading in software (please define again what is cool - is it business software, games or viruses?). In terms of ecosystem, iOS is a clear leader. You are not going to claim that Blackberry 10 or Amazon have better ecosystem? Are you going to claim that Android has a better ecosystem? Or is it Windows Phone? So if iOS is a leading in terms of software, what leads to think that it won't be? Is it number of android devices which you think will make Android a better ecosystem? Let me tell you that a leading hardware mobile platform in the world is probably S40/S60 devices. And there are also 60 dollar Andoid tablets made in India. The prevalence of these cheap Nokia devices and 60 dollar Android tablets have not made both S40 or Android a better ecosystem platforms. So what is the reason?



Windows 8 is a fully fledged computer OS while iOS is a cellphone OS used on big screened cellphones that are missing the phone. the iPad is like an overgrown iPod Touch, while the Win8 tablets are like a desktop computer that can be carried with you.

Leaving aside your examples, which probably meant to show how much you despise iOS devices or mobile devices in general, whether you like it or not, Windows 8 and Windows RT are both tanking in sales. Maybe a full fledged computer OS on "big screened cellphones that are missing the phone or ... overgrown iPod Touch/tablets" doesn't present a best mobile computing experience. When I need to draw 3D drawing of a car engine for an industrial illustration, I won't do it while riding a subway and poking my fingers into the live tiles. There is, you know, specialized devices and OS for that, and its called desktop computers with appropriate OS. There is also Apple version of that, which is called OS X and specialized devices like notebooks or desktops.



You really can't compare Windows 8 to iOS any more than you can compare an SUV to a moped.

Actually, maybe Windows is more like trucks and iOS is more Lexus :)
 
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Yes, the Mac survives as a niche product. And Apple is forced to develop the core software because so few other companies can be bothered to invest substantial sums in order to sell very few copies of Mac titles. If not for Apple spending huge amounts to keep it afloat, and practically giving away Mac software for free, it would have died years ago.

All the cool new software was available only on the PC. We'll start to see that in mobile platforms too, as iOS devices continue to fade in the face of people overwhelmingly choosing Android devices.

Will iOS survive? Yes. Will it be the platform that runs the coolest newest software? Less and less as time goes on.

Its the ecosystem, stupid.

It looks like more people have been "choosing" Android in phones for years.

But have they really? I'm getting the impression that much of Android's phenomenal market share is due to people having only $100 to buy a smartphone in many countries across the globe... and those phones just happen to be running Android.

There's not a whole lot of "choice" below a certain price range.

Here's a screenshot from a mobile carrier in India:

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You'll notice Android phones at around $150... but the old iPhone 4 costs $500 and the newest iPhone 5 is $850.

(and this page doesn't even show the cheaper Android phones... they actually start at $80)

So... are people really "choosing" Android phones in India? It doesn't look like it. And the people who buy cheap Android phones probably won't be throwing money at developers either.

You can call iOS a "niche" because fewer people are using it... and that's fine.

But developers will go where the money is... so it doesn't matter how much market share a particular platform has.

All that matters is whether they will spend money.

Why do developers even bother focusing on the Mac with its single digit market share? It's because Mac users spend money on Mac software.

And the same is true for Apple phones and tablets... especially in the accessory market (that's part of the ecosystem too, stupid) ;)

How many companies make cases for iPhones? And how many make cases for the Sony Xperia Tipo?

Look... I get your point... but I'm still seeing more support for iOS devices than Android devices.

Android phones have 5 times the market share of the iPhone... yet developers still prefer the iPhone. And now that Android tablets have finally crossed the iPad... I'm guessing the iPad will still enjoy more support too.

Is it better to have a billion customers who don't spend money? Or a million customers who do?

Android market share is a spectacular number on a chart... but there's little benefit otherwise.
 

Because Apples margins sit around 38% but their profit on IOS products is considerably higher then what Android is generating. This leads me to believe that either

1) Actual Android sales are not as high as people think.
2) The average Android device is being sold at a lose.
 
Because Apples margins sit around 38% but their profit on IOS products is considerably higher then what Android is generating. This leads me to believe that either

1) Actual Android sales are not as high as people think.
2) The average Android device is being sold at a lose.

I still don't get what Apple margins has to do with Android vendors sales.
 
Any proof or it is only wishful thinking?

Well, back when the Samsung/Apple trial was going on, Samsung had to disclose actual sales of their devices and they were considerably lower than the number of shipments they previously reported for those same devices. Don't have the figures on hand but I do recall there was a stark difference between the two.
 
Well, back when the Samsung/Apple trial was going on, Samsung had to disclose actual sales of their devices and they were considerably lower than the number of shipments they previously reported for those same devices. Don't have the figures on hand but I do recall there was a stark difference between the two.

You're remembering wrong.

By the way, do you really believe that a company can stuff the market quarter after quarter? Do you really believe that a company that stuff the market quarter after quarter can grow its revenue quarter after quarter?
 
Well, back when the Samsung/Apple trial was going on, Samsung had to disclose actual sales of their devices and they were considerably lower than the number of shipments they previously reported for those same devices. Don't have the figures on hand but I do recall there was a stark difference between the two.
Perhaps your recollection is similar to Jodi Arias's.

There is nothing to gain by shipping more and more product than is sold. Marketshare bragging rights do not pay the bills.




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Well, back when the Samsung/Apple trial was going on, Samsung had to disclose actual sales of their devices and they were considerably lower than the number of shipments they previously reported for those same devices. Don't have the figures on hand but I do recall there was a stark difference between the two.

That's partly because the trial figures only included certain accused devices, and only those which were sold in the USA... and people tried to compare that smaller number with worldwide reported sales, which are anywhere from four to twenty times larger.

For example, people were comparing Samsung's report of 2 million tablets sold worldwide in 4Q2010 to the 260K in the trial report... which was of course only US numbers.

Currently only about 5% of Samsung's phone sales are in the USA. The other 95% is in the rest of the world.

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No one yet has given an answer to the question why isn't samsung reporting sales. The only one I heard was that Samsung doesn't have access to sell through stats, which is beyond ridiculous.
 
I mean that if I buy something that I used for a few weeks and it ends up in a drawer, how likely am I to buy another one of these? Not very.

Fair enough, but you've got to admit it would be pretty hard to figure out what you meant based on your post. Your post started with "iPad still dominates web traffic" then you follow that with a link to a graph showing iPad leading in web traffic (a big graph too;)). That was the point I was addressing.

As for the main topic of worldwide shipments for 1Q 2103, if you purchased two tablets and don't use them, the manufacturer doesn't care. They already have your money. If you're not going to buy another one, well that is a subject for a completely different topic, not this one.
 
No one yet has given an answer to the question why isn't samsung reporting sales. The only one I heard was that Samsung doesn't have access to sell through stats, which is beyond ridiculous.

The last time Samsung reported sales... they were "smooth" :D

Or in other words... a disappointment. They stopped reporting sales shortly after.

I have a theory though. Samsung wants to be seen as THE Android manufacturer. And in some respects they are... they've been the sales leader in smartphones for a while. Good job.

BUT... I don't think Samsung wants people to know that most of their sales are cheaper phones... and not their famous flagship phones.

Q4 2012 it was estimated that Samsung shipped/sold 63 million smartphones.... but only 15 million were the Galaxy SIII. And there might have been a few million Galaxy Note II in there too.

But that still means less than 1/3 of their sales are these amazing flagship phones.

Or 2/3 of their sales are cheaper models.

Maybe it's a pride thing... maybe they don't want to report disappointing news. They don't want to disclose too much... so they don't say anything at all.

Instead... Samsung makes special announcements like "100 million Galaxy S sold!"

So they're adding up the cumulative sales of the Galaxy S, the Galaxy SII and the Galaxy SIII... since 2010?

Wow. It makes for a big number... and a nice headline... but it doesn't really say much.

Any company can make a splashy headline by adding up 3 years worth of sales. Most don't, though.

I think the general rule is: shout from the rooftop on good news... keep quiet on bad news.
 
I still don't get what Apple margins has to do with Android vendors sales.

The margins are essentially the Apple markup on each sale. Currently, the Apple margin is about 38% and you would expect Apple profits on sales to exceed Androids profits by the difference in the margins assuming similar quantities sold. In fact, the profit difference between IOS and Android is much higher indicating that either not as many Android devices were actually sold or that the difference in the margins is much greater (Android devices sold at a lose).
 
It looks like more people have been "choosing" Android in phones for years.

But have they really? I'm getting the impression that much of Android's phenomenal market share is due to people having only $100 to buy a smartphone in many countries across the globe... and those phones just happen to be running Android.

Yup. Low end Android phones are the new feature phones in 2013. Which is good for budget phone manufacturers but Google makes no money off people that can't afford to access the internet.

That IDC Android marketshare also includes whitebox tablets which make up over 10% of the market.

Talking about OS penetration and marketshare is meaningless if it doesn't correlate with revenue.
 
Yup. Low end Android phones are the new feature phones in 2013. Which is good for budget phone manufacturers but Google makes no money off people that can't afford to access the internet.

That IDC Android marketshare also includes whitebox tablets which make up over 10% of the market.

Talking about OS penetration and marketshare is meaningless if it doesn't correlate with revenue.

Exactly. I don't see anyone exactly boasting about HP/Dell dominating Apple in the PC industry, even though they're at the top in terms of marketshare compared to Apple's 5-10%. Why? Because they almost went broke while Apple flourished profit-wise.

Android leads in marketshare no doubt about it. Not difficult when you have thousands of cheap handsets running Android flooding the market.
 
The last time Samsung reported sales... they were "smooth" :D

Or in other words... a disappointment. They stopped reporting sales shortly after.

I have a theory though. Samsung wants to be seen as THE Android manufacturer. And in some respects they are... they've been the sales leader in smartphones for a while. Good job.

BUT... I don't think Samsung wants people to know that most of their sales are cheaper phones... and not their famous flagship phones.

Q4 2012 it was estimated that Samsung shipped/sold 63 million smartphones.... but only 15 million were the Galaxy SIII. And there might have been a few million Galaxy Note II in there too.

But that still means less than 1/3 of their sales are these amazing flagship phones.

Or 2/3 of their sales are cheaper models.

Maybe it's a pride thing... maybe they don't want to report disappointing news. They don't want to disclose too much... so they don't say anything at all.

Instead... Samsung makes special announcements like "100 million Galaxy S sold!"

So they're adding up the cumulative sales of the Galaxy S, the Galaxy SII and the Galaxy SIII... since 2010?

Wow. It makes for a big number... and a nice headline... but it doesn't really say much.

Any company can make a splashy headline by adding up 3 years worth of sales. Most don't, though.

I think the general rule is: shout from the rooftop on good news... keep quiet on bad news.

Please stop the blind devotion.

CNN Article Title: Samsung is spanking Apple in earnings, sales

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/29/tech/mobile/samsung-spanking-apple
"While Apple was on its way to the company's first profit decline in almost a decade during the first three months of the year, Samsung's net profit grew 42 percent in the same period to 7.2 trillion won -- about $6.5 billion U.S. -- from 5 trillion won a year earlier. It was a record-setting quarter for the Korean consumer electronics maker."

Apple did make more in profit but had it's first Year over Year Decline since 2003.

Samsung grew 42%.

I am not a fan of any vendor but it really does bother me when someone is posting pure B.S and doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.
 
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