Apple's Smaller iOS Device Dock Connector Said to Include 19 Pins

[wizard]

None of this means anything.

It won't be Thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is PCI-Express, no part of the iPhone uses PCI-E,

The current iPhone chips don't. That doesn't mean that future device can't. Realistically all they need is a bridge from one of ARMs internal buses to PCI -Express.

plus the TB chip is about half the width and depth of the iPhone.

That is also a current problem but again means nothing in the future.

Apple would have to convert the USB signals generated by the ARM chip into PCI-E.

Doing that would be grossly stupid when they have much faster ARM buses they can attach a bridge to internally on the chip.

Also, going on existing prices, the cheap $2 "iPod" cable would cost about $50.

That is a problem but you make a huge mistake here thinking that the goal is for this to be the Normal interface on the iPhone. The USB interface would still be there. What this would give the iPhone is the ability to drive video screens and projectors, networking cards, docks and other assorted devices that the current dock has limited capacity to do.

USB 3 would be somewhat pointless too, as it's not USB that's the bottleneck when syncing the iPhone, it's the slow NAND flash.

This means nothing. First the flash will get somewhat faster but as you note even USB is fast enough. It is the abilities beyond the flash interface that makes TB interesting on iPhone.

 

[SockRolid]

MagSafe. Please.

Update: Robert Scoble [...] has learned from an industry contact that Apple's new dock connector will be magnetic much like the MagSafe connector used on Mac notebook ...

YES. (If true.)

 

[Phenomenal4]

the new phone will be 1/4" longer, 2 mm thinner, and exactly the same width, so it will be dorkilly long & awkward.
as usual, they have retards designing these.
...if yuh make it 1/4 longer, make it 1/4 wider also, be proportionate.
as i noticed with the 1st iPhone i got (3yrs ago), they didnt utilize the space on the front for screen. The screen on all iPhones so far, couldve been 4", 3/4" longer & 1/4" wider without changing the phones' external dimensions.
And, what ill affect will the alloy body of the new phone have on the antenna & signal strength.
And whats with the, "over 200 new features" everytime a new major iOS is released? we are shown 10 of them, where are the other 190?

The iPhone, should be released early in the year (march at the latest, every year, so that north american consumers can use it for the summer, not have to wait till the following summer), not only should the iPhone be released 1st, it should also have the newest & best of everything, every year, not release the same phone with 1 or 2 new things a year later every other year, thats lazy & stupid.
So, the new iPhone (5) should be 1/2" longer, 1/2" wider, with a 5 3/4" screen (retina display), a 10MP front & back camera (capable of recording/playback in 1080p or better), it should have LTE, 2GB RAM, 2.5Ghz quad core processor, 2 speakers (not 1), bigger speakers, "push push" nano SIM port, the micro USB charging port (that shouldve been on the 1st & every iPhone), the home button should be 1/2 the size, the battery should last (at least) 2x longer, the # of recharges that can be performed before battery replacement is required should be doubled, the headphone port put on the bottom (or side) with the headphone plug "L" shaped, Siri, an 80GB model, all that for no more than $900 US.

 

[StyxMaker]

If the back is all Aluminum, and the front is Gorilla Glass 2; why do I need a case?

I use mine (it's aluminum and only covers the back) to hold the Schneider Optics lenses (wide angle, fisheye, and 2x tele) I use with the iPhone's camera.

 

[StyxMaker]

I'm surprised there's no "Mobile MagSafe", makes much more since for the magnet design in a phone setting. I always trip over mine, or am pulling to hard and ware my cords out.

I would welcome a "Mobile MagSafe" connector. I can't tell you how many times I've picked up my iPhone, forgetting that it's plugged in and have the plug yanked out of the bottom of the iPhone and the iPhone yanked out of my hand to land on the floor, at the same time.

 

[SockRolid]

[...] What this would give the iPhone is the ability to drive video screens and projectors, networking cards, docks and other assorted devices that the current dock has limited capacity to do.

But wouldn't Apple prefer wireless video mirroring via AirPlay?

[...] even USB is fast enough. It is the abilities beyond the flash interface that makes TB interesting on iPhone.

Agree. Slightly off-topic, and I'm not a hardware guy, but one of my crazy ideas for Apple is a Mac mini with optional Smart Case-like magnets on top and/or bottom, and optional MagSafe optical Thunderbolt connectors on top and/or bottom. Just snap together several of them for loosely-coupled yet low-latency multi-processing.

 

[Rebel Hedgehog]

As someone who has invested a lot of money in a b&w zeppelin I will not be impressed if the new iPhone is not compatible!!!

 

[manu chao]

I must be the only one that likes the glass back. The thing is glass doesn't scratch the way metals do, but is far more appealing to the touch than plastic. The whole glass shattering thing doesn't make a difference to me because I never want my phone to drop anyways.

I fully agree, I like the glass back as well, it has a nice haptic feeling. To me the only downside is that it makes the device heavier. If you want a rugged phone, it needs rubber on the outside (eg, via the famous bumpers).

 

[APlotdevice]

I fully agree, I like the glass back as well, it has a nice haptic feeling. To me the only downside is that it makes the device heavier. If you want a rugged phone, it needs rubber on the outside (eg, via the famous bumpers).

This is getting way off-topic, but one unfortunate problem with bumpers is, if you have ferrets like I do, they will often get a taste for the rubber and drag away your phone at the first opportunity they get!

 

[Twixt]

the new phone will be 1/4" longer, 2 mm thinner, and exactly the same width, so it will be dorkilly long & awkward.
as usual, they have retards designing these.
...if yuh make it 1/4 longer, make it 1/4 wider also, be proportionate.
as i noticed with the 1st iPhone i got (3yrs ago), they didnt utilize the space on the front for screen. The screen on all iPhones so far, couldve been 4", 3/4" longer & 1/4" wider without changing the phones' external dimensions.
And, what ill affect will the alloy body of the new phone have on the antenna & signal strength.
And whats with the, "over 200 new features" everytime a new major iOS is released? we are shown 10 of them, where are the other 190?

The iPhone, should be released early in the year (march at the latest, every year, so that north american consumers can use it for the summer, not have to wait till the following summer), not only should the iPhone be released 1st, it should also have the newest & best of everything, every year, not release the same phone with 1 or 2 new things a year later every other year, thats lazy & stupid.
So, the new iPhone (5) should be 1/2" longer, 1/2" wider, with a 5 3/4" screen (retina display), a 10MP front & back camera (capable of recording/playback in 1080p or better), it should have LTE, 2GB RAM, 2.5Ghz quad core processor, 2 speakers (not 1), bigger speakers, "push push" nano SIM port, the micro USB charging port (that shouldve been on the 1st & every iPhone), the home button should be 1/2 the size, the battery should last (at least) 2x longer, the # of recharges that can be performed before battery replacement is required should be doubled, the headphone port put on the bottom (or side) with the headphone plug "L" shaped, Siri, an 80GB model, all that for no more than $900 US.

Agree

 

[adder7712]

They could've used microUSB instead.

 

[ScooterLibby]

the new phone will be 1/4" longer, 2 mm thinner, and exactly the same width, so it will be dorkilly long & awkward.
as usual, they have retards designing these.
...if yuh make it 1/4 longer, make it 1/4 wider also, be proportionate.
as i noticed with the 1st iPhone i got (3yrs ago), they didnt utilize the space on the front for screen. The screen on all iPhones so far, couldve been 4", 3/4" longer & 1/4" wider without changing the phones' external dimensions.
And, what ill affect will the alloy body of the new phone have on the antenna & signal strength.
And whats with the, "over 200 new features" everytime a new major iOS is released? we are shown 10 of them, where are the other 190?

The iPhone, should be released early in the year (march at the latest, every year, so that north american consumers can use it for the summer, not have to wait till the following summer), not only should the iPhone be released 1st, it should also have the newest & best of everything, every year, not release the same phone with 1 or 2 new things a year later every other year, thats lazy & stupid.
So, the new iPhone (5) should be 1/2" longer, 1/2" wider, with a 5 3/4" screen (retina display), a 10MP front & back camera (capable of recording/playback in 1080p or better), it should have LTE, 2GB RAM, 2.5Ghz quad core processor, 2 speakers (not 1), bigger speakers, "push push" nano SIM port, the micro USB charging port (that shouldve been on the 1st & every iPhone), the home button should be 1/2 the size, the battery should last (at least) 2x longer, the # of recharges that can be performed before battery replacement is required should be doubled, the headphone port put on the bottom (or side) with the headphone plug "L" shaped, Siri, an 80GB model, all that for no more than $900 US.

You cannot have both LTE and a Spring release. Everybody whining about the fall release are ignorant to the fact that that Apple is waiting for the smaller 22 nm LTE chips before they will put LTE in their phone. If you actually pay attention to things like the fab process and are aware of what Apple is willing to live with (not the power hungry 45nm LTE chips), you'd have know awhile back that 22nm was slow going and wouldn't be ready until late Summer/early Fall.

 

[mrxak]

Whatever the connector is on future iProducts, the other end will be USB, not Thunderbolt!, for the same reason Apple transitioned away from Firewire back in the day. People forget, Apple doesn't just sell iProducts to Mac users, and I don't see a lot of people out there with Thunderbolt! ports besides Mac users.

I also don't think we'll see a MagSafe connector, unless Apple is taking all data to Wifi. We might see such a thing come 802.11ac, but right now? Eh...

I would love Thunderbolt! and MagSafe all over the place, but it's just not feasible right now.

 

[aliensporebomb]

Sigh

In a way the previous poster is right: USB may not be glamorous, may not be as fast as thunderbolt or firewire but it has three advantages (1) small (2) is power efficient and (3) more importantly ubiquitous. Name me a single computer produced in the last ten or eleven years WITHOUT USB and you'd be hard pressed.

Besides, do you really want a SCSI port on your iPhone? Parallel port? No?

OK.

The other thought: the recent Macbook Pro rollout has proven Apple is thinking: smaller, thinner, taking the leading edge.

That's where they need to go to keep their iPhone market leader position. Look what happened to RIM. Five years ago an IT or businessperson without a blackberry would be unthinkable. Now they've lost their hardware manufacturer.

Apple means to stay number one. A 4S-like incremental upgrade phone for the next release isn't going to do it.

 

[zackkmac]

I don't know but to me those large holes in the speaker grilles are so ugly and look like something a Chinese knockoff manufacturer would do. I can see Apple making the phone resemble other parts of this design, and definitely the smaller dock connector, but definitely not those holes..

 

[JuBe]

Am I the only one that remembers that Apple signed a pact over in Europe that supported implemented a universal charger (i.e. micro or mini USB... I don't remember which)?

 

[SirHaakon]

It wouldn't be the first time:

I didn't say it was the first time... I was just wondering why on earth they would make such a poor ergonomic choice for their flagship product.

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I mean the way most people put their phone in their pocket is upside down.

You guys are weird.

 

[macUser2007]

Because a 30 or 19 pin dock connector will be able to do so much more than a Micro USB.

Like what?

Connect to iTunes, or charge your phone?

I can't think of a single thing that cannot be done with a Micro USB3.

Other than get a few more licensing fees in Apple's war chest, so they can go onto their IP war with more legal fees to try to kill off the competition. Oh, and keep iDevice users in the fold, since they already have the peripherals.

The proprietary connector is not good for consumers, it's good only for Apple.

I suppose EU users will get a USB adapter in the box anyway, since the EU courts slapped Apple on the connector extortion.

 

[APlotdevice]

Like what?

Connect to iTunes, or charge your phone?

I can't think of a single thing that cannot be done with a Micro USB3.

Other than get a few more licensing fees in Apple's war chest, so they can go onto their IP war with more legal fees to try to kill off the competition. Oh, and keep iDevice users in the fold, since they already have the peripherals.

The proprietary connector is not good for consumers, it's good only for Apple.

I suppose EU users will get a USB adapter in the box anyway, since the EU courts slapped Apple on the connector extortion.

In addition to being a USB slave and host, the current 30-pin connector can supply considerably more power to the device (10w vs 2.5-5w), does line-out audio, video out, and direct controls. Of these the first is arguably the most important, as charging an iPad, especially the latest model, over USB is less than ideal. With any luck the newer connector will supply even more.

Oh, another thing is that it clicks in. Which is handy for keeping accessories securely attached.

 

[macUser2007]

In addition to being a USB slave and host, the current 30-pin connector can supply considerably more power to the device (10w vs 2.5-5w), does line-out audio, video out, and direct controls. Of these the first is arguably the most important, as charging an iPad, especially the latest model, over USB is less than ideal. With any luck the newer connector will supply even more.

Oh, another thing is that it clicks in. Which is handy for keeping accessories securely attached.

Seriously?

USB3 delivers 900 mA, which is totally fine every power-hungry Android tablet or 5" phone out there, but the iPhone needs more?

Plus, EU users already get the court-mandated USB adapters, so this can't really be the issue.

Oh, and I thought Apple was all about slim and trim.... The iConnector is HUGE compared to the Micro USB's footprint.

 

[APlotdevice]

Seriously?

USB3 delivers 900 mA, which is totally fine every power-hungry Android tablet or 5" phone out there, but the iPhone needs more?

Plus, EU users already get the court-mandated USB adapters, so this can't really be the issue.

Oh, and I thought Apple was all about slim and trim.... The iConnector is HUGE compared to the Micro USB's footprint.

I said iPad, not iPhone. Since inevitably they will use the same connector. And the iPad is a lot more power hungry.

 

[Glassed Silver]

With wifi sync, there is no longer the fear of corrupting the sync process. Notice when you sync now, it does not say "sync in progress". Instead there is the spinning wheel at the top. You can unplug in the middle of the sync and it will continue in the background.

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I promise that there will be an adapter, maybe even in the box. They did it for the magsafe 2 and there are exponentially more 30 pin docks in the wild then magsafe 1's.

Not always you're connected to the same network.
And no, the sync spinning wheel instead of the usage block is just so that you can, well, use your device.

Cutting of the synching can result in data corruption.
Well obviously it will try better to resolve that than a HDD that get's unplugged from a power source and has no way to help things smooth out (apart from the band-aid journaling is (FS feature)) - still not ideal.

Glassed Silver:mac

 

[macUser2007]

I said iPad, not iPhone. Since inevitably they will use the same connector. And the iPad is a lot more power hungry.

Does this mean that the iPad is so much more power-hungry than all of the 10.1" tablets out there that it needs its own proprietary connector?

Or does it mean that all EU users, who use the USB adapter Apple is required to include there, are doomed to suffer in some sort of USB Hell?

Come on....

 

[APlotdevice]

Does this mean that the iPad is so much more power-hungry than all of the 10.1" tablets out there that it needs its own proprietary connector?

Or does it mean that all EU users, who use the USB adapter Apple is required to include there, are doomed to suffer in some sort of USB Hell?

Come on....

Do some research. Those competing tablets typically have proprietary power connectors as well. Either separate to or part of the data cable.

 

[mauriziocorso77]

I said iPad, not iPhone. Since inevitably they will use the same connector. And the iPad is a lot more power hungry.

This. The iPad CANNOT be charged via MicroUSB. For this reason they need something that can pump more power, hence their new connector for all new iOS devices.