Apple's Stock Had a Wild Morning

[Naraxus]

It's going to take a very grand gesture to rebuild trust with the rest of the world.

In other words, bending over and taking it like we've been doing ever since the end of World War II. Sorry but the days of the United States being the world's doormat and personal atm machine are over. Time for the rest of the world to get self-reliant.

 

[AgentOSX]

The US is literally paying El Salvador to put these people in prison. From my understanding, most of them did not have criminal records. Note that I am not making any claims about how many of them are gang members or how many should be deported.

*Punches self in face*
"Now it has come back to hurt us"

I mean, I guess you could argue we punched ourselves in the face pre-emptively to immunize ourselves against China punching us in the face at a future time, but it seems like there must be a better way to go about that.

You removed the context of the chip shortages during Covid eras so your quote as applied is not accurate.

And no, we handed back El Salvador their own criminals. The country requested their own people back for prison. This batch was not a subcontractor. You are mixing up different circumstances but odds are you didn't do it deliberately because the media is going to great lengths to miseducate people. The fact is all of these people were sentenced by El Salvadorian legal processes. All we did was remove them from our country as they had no legal right to be here. Some were arrested and some were convicted, and once they were in the system that drew attention to them and State made the move to wrap them up. Why people work so hard to defend criminals in the country illegally I do not understand, and neither do most of the people repeating the slogans.

And the US can remove anyone without a valid visa at will. That is entirely legal. It just was something not done for far too long. We do not have to have charges at all. We do not need an arrest. We do not need a conviction. There does not even have to be a reason to void a visa or green card as it is not legally required. If someone has a visa the are a guest and that come with obligations that is part of the paperwork they have signed. If they do not have a visa they can be removed.

SCOTUS a couple hours ago upheld the ability for the Executive to invoke the Alien Enemies Act, so that guts most of the arguments from the judges that inserted themselves into the process. So the rest of the argument will be interesting and diminishing to "the resistance."

 

[AgentOSX]

I feel like we’re living in a nightmare 😔

My rights have been taken away, I’m scared to travel to other states, employment isn’t secure.

Why is this happening?? Can’t Congress limit Mr. Trump’s powers?

I eagerly await a real explanation for any of the claims here.

No one has lost any rights. "Scared to travel to another state" is not based in any degree of reality.

But I really would love to hear your explanation.

 

[MVMNT]

Using "wild" is just lazy modern day hyperbolic writing. Do better.

 

[anthogag]

Donald’s tariffs are extreme stupidity. His tariffs do at least 2 things. They force businesses to move production to the US. This will make products more expensive forever because costs are higher in the US. Or tariffs is extortion. Donald recently has been saying countries could pay a lot of money per year to avoid tariffs; this is extortion.

 

[It’s always something]

SCOTUS a couple hours ago upheld the ability for the Executive to invoke the Alien Enemies Act, so that guts most of the arguments from the judges that inserted themselves into the process.

No, they didn’t. They ruled narrowly with respect to venue, while unanimously agreeing that the deportees in question have a valid right to due process in US courts.

 

[Terrinb]

They are the reason we are in this mess. Almost 37 Trillion in debt and never any talk of paying it down.

Clinton is the only President to balance the budget and pay it down in relatively recent history. Trump and his handling of the pandemic added quite a bit to that deficit. You’re also an idiot if you think Trump cares about paying down the deficit. If he did he woukd not be talking about tax cuts. Instead he is cutting government agencies that protect regular people from corrupt people like him.

 

[Terrinb]

Nope.

Joe Biden is responsible for almost half of the national debt accumulated over the entire history of the United States. As Vice President, Obama-Biden added $10.4 TRILLION to the national debt. As President, Joe Biden added about $5.6 TRILLION (though the final figure could end up being as high as $6.6 TRILLION). The national debt right now is $36.2 TRILLION. So do the math: (10.4+5.6)/36.2 = 0.442. That means 44% of the entire debt of the United States was amassed under just one person, Joe Biden. In just 12 years as an executive. And in his previous incarnation as a Senator, he never once voted for or advocated anything that would deal with the debt.

Remember that Democrats were demanding an additional 3.6 trillion over what was passed for in panic COVID spending from May 2020-October 2020 they did not get. Not one dollar of the two major expenditures the Feds made during his term were paid for at all and went straight to t-bill auctions. The US was not alone, but socially and economically and scientifically we reacted not just badly but often times wrongly in repose. And no one wants to talk about it honestly because Covid was one of those situations that politicians and disciples hate - at one point everyone was wrong, and at one point everyone was right about something that had to do with the entire chapter.

And now, curiously, we have the Democrats actively trying to impede or stop an elementary adult of the Federal books so we can reformulate our deeply broken financial models and processes. It is as if they want things to get worse. We spend more in interest annually than we do defense. The Ai-based audit uses tech that did not exist just three years ago, and the payment and tracking systems have been purposely baked for over a generation to prevent any human audit and understanding. It was done by design. And then the Feds have not done the Constitutionally-required audit since 1953 when Eisenhower warned to the fiscal foibles (that was part of his Military-Industrial Complex warning).

This should not be a Left-Right or Dem-GOP issue as it deeply affects everyone. People should be upset they didn't know where the money was going for the last 50+ years. The Pentagon alone can't find 6 trillion from the last 25 years or so.

And just to anticipate the usual report... yes, a public audit is required by the Constitution. It has just been ignored by all parties which I think is unforgivable.

• Article I, Section 9, Clause 7:
  "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time".

So somebody posts a source and in response you make stuff up and quote the constitution? Trump cares so much the national debt he want to lower his taxes?

 

[AgentOSX]

So somebody posts a source and in response you make stuff up and quote the constitution? Trump cares so much the national debt he want to lower his taxes?

This is you admitting that everything I wrote is true. If it was not then you could point out a single fallacy and you are clearly eager to do so. Hell, even Apple Intelligence did the math and I still rounded down. But you do the same weak tactic most do at one point or another... when you cannot argue facts, argue the person. But I will stick with facts.

 

[AgentOSX]

No, they didn’t. They ruled narrowly with respect to venue, while unanimously agreeing that the deportees in question have a valid right to due process in US courts.

You are forgetting that the ruling said
1) The Alien Enemies Act is completely legitimate and
2) That decorations have their own due process and the government is following it.

The "venue" in question is State determining visa status and deportations. And they blessed the current operations as being legitimate, overriding one judge who said the AEA cannot be used and another judge saying that there needs to be court proceedings to invalidate visas. Both of those judges' insistences were invalidated. State can revoke visas at will and deport anyone not legal and there does not have to be a criminal proceeding. The venue was not narrow, it just simply reiterated the law and practices being done, practices that were ignored for far too long.

Part of the AEA was the venue and domain of national security laying in the hands of the Executive, meaning the Oval and State and Interior. So everything being done to get illegals gone is exactly legal. One case that may be a bureaucratic error is also complicated by sigint that falls exclusive to the Exective to disclose and act on. SCOTUS said no Federal judge can interfere with that duty and slapped down the orders for disclosure.

That means they are doing nothing wrong with the deportations and it still severely guts most of the meddling judges' stances.

I have no idea why but people think deportations and visas/immigration have the same exact legal process as a criminal charge, when that is simply not remotely true at all and never has been, since even before Ellis Island opened. And that is why no one here, despite me asking now 9 times I think, can tell me what due process they think is being violated.

 

[It’s always something]

And that is why no one here, despite me asking now 9 times I think, can tell me what due process they think is being violated.

Okay. Rights to due process are human rights, because everyone has the right to justice. So when immigrants are deported without due process, they are denied justice. It’s this more fundamental right that is merely enshrined in the Constitution, and can never be legitimately denied to anyone, whether he is a citizen or not.

By denying them the right to have their cases duly adjudicated and blithely deporting them we are denying them the rights to life, liberty, and so forth that are theirs as human beings. Without due process neither you nor the administration can legitimately claim that they have forfeited their right to be here.

Justice. That’s what is at stake.

 

[macfacts]

I feel like we’re living in a nightmare 😔

My rights have been taken away, I’m scared to travel to other states, employment isn’t secure.

Why is this happening?? Can’t Congress limit Mr. Trump’s powers?

Trump is using one simple trick to enact the tariffs, the national securities act (he used an executive order on feb 1 to say us is in an emergency and needs it). The national securities act allows the house and senate to cancel the act but house and senate are controlled by the republicans. On march 11, the house Republican leaders put in law that they can't vote to cancel the act this year AND put in law saying the rest of the year is "technically" one long day.

Republicans Quietly Cede Power to Cancel Trump’s Tariffs, Avoiding a Tough Vote

House G.O.P. leaders tucked the provision into a procedural measure needed to pass a government spending bill.

www.nytimes.com

"We've always been at war with Eastasia"
the 1984 novel was a warning, not a user manual.

 

[rweed]

I feel like we’re living in a nightmare 😔

My rights have been taken away, I’m scared to travel to other states, employment isn’t secure.

Why is this happening?? Can’t Congress limit Mr. Trump’s powers?

What rights have been taken away? Employment has NEVER been secure.

 

[rweed]

Seriously, is he a one trick pony or what?

Want to be a slave to China forever? I'm old enough to remember when there was a thriving factory in my town that moved to Asia because of stupid politicians selling us out and gutting the middle class.

 

[Zest28]

I'm buying tonnes of iPhone to resell them later after the price hike. Yet the stock still isn't rising?

 

[redheeler]

I feel like we’re living in a nightmare 😔

My rights have been taken away, I’m scared to travel to other states, employment isn’t secure.

Why is this happening?? Can’t Congress limit Mr. Trump’s powers?

Can they? Yes.

Will they? No.

Dems will win in a landslide for the midterms. But in the meantime we’re stuck with 2 years of this…

 

[ELman]

I feel like we’re living in a nightmare 😔

My rights have been taken away, I’m scared to travel to other states, employment isn’t secure.

Why is this happening?? Can’t Congress limit Mr. Trump’s powers?

Sounds like you have more issues than just the guy sitting in the white house.

 

[ELman]

Clinton is the only President to balance the budget and pay it down in relatively recent history. Trump and his handling of the pandemic added quite a bit to that deficit. You’re also an idiot if you think Trump cares about paying down the deficit. If he did he woukd not be talking about tax cuts. Instead he is cutting government agencies that protect regular people from corrupt people like him.

So your for higher taxes, keeping useless government agencies, and balancing the budget is paying down the deficit. It sounds like you need to look up the definition of idiot.

 

[macfacts]

I'm buying tonnes of iPhone to resell them later after the price hike. Yet the stock still isn't rising?

We still don't know if apple is going to increase prices and by how much. And people can easily smuggle them from Canada. They already do with eggs.

 

[macfacts]

So your for higher taxes, keeping useless government agencies, and balancing the budget is paying down the deficit. It sounds like you need to look up the definition of idiot.

I assume you're talking about the work done by DOGE. You've been fooled.

 

[Manzanito]

Facts show otherwise. He also negotiates. Many countries didn't want to. This has forced the hand so far of at least 16 nations and up to 50 so far. I do not pretend this was the easiest or prettiest way to do things but at the same time the US has been rotting our internal manufacturing and economy and something big was needed.

He went bankrupt six times, so...

 

[iFunk]

This is 'MURICA where 1 person gets what HE wants. He's way better at crashing.. doing a way better job than Sleepy Joe could have ever done. One of the greatest CRASHES ever. Never been a crash so eloquent.

 

[CarAnalogy]

For secession... I can see the Oregon counties and a few Washington State and maybe even a couple-three Northern California counties all withdrawing from their states and joining Idaho. Many of the counties have passed their referendums on the matter. But I think that concept is like penguins in the pool... penguins will gather around an open pool in the ice, starving but no one jumps in even when they see the fish. Then one falls in accidentally or one is brave or starving enough to jump... and then hundreds follow seconds later. I can see that sort of thing happening if the proof of concept or proof of bureaucracy is shown by a few counties switching states. As to what specific counties or provinces or whatever, I cannot say but am intrigued.

But that concept aside, California is a trainwreck of a state and it only gets worse. I have been there for 32 years and I have spent the last six moving my business and interests out of the state that holds its needed tax base in contempt while it never passes up a change to make things more difficult or more expensive or more dangerous, all while claiming the opposite. California has a complete lack of forensic analysis or self-reflection.

And the irony seems to be lots of Californians leaving California and then trying to make the place they move more like California. So reverse-secession I guess?

 

[FrozenDarkness]

So your for higher taxes, keeping useless government agencies, and balancing the budget is paying down the deficit. It sounds like you need to look up the definition of idiot.

I think people are against the tactics vs saying they don't care for the problem. Nobody is for those things you said.

Howeve,r firing a bunch of new college graduates doesn't mean you are cutting waste. it just means you are cruel.

 

[TheMacDaddy1]

I feel like we’re living in a nightmare 😔

My rights have been taken away, I’m scared to travel to other states, employment isn’t secure.

Why is this happening?? Can’t Congress limit Mr. Trump’s powers?

“scared to travel to other states” ??? Your fear is almost palpable.