Is is not a farce. A visa can be revoked for any or no reason. We simply hand criminals/illegal entrants/revoked visas back to their country of origin and they are imprisoned for El Salvadorian offenses and processes. They are not there for US offenses. We do have an option to try them for criminal acts in the US, but why do we want to shoulder the expense and effort when we can hand illegals back to their country of origin and let that nation deal with their own citizens. Currently we are wrapping up arrestees and the convicted who have no legal status because their law breaking drew the attention of State. But anyone without a valid visa can be ejected, and they should. You may not agree with those last three words, but that is a political orientation and not a factual or legal one.
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i mean this is literally not what happens or how things happen. i don't know how to explain distorted reality to you but you have a strong case of it.
ok but it has been pointed out to be illegal by two judges already.
One case was. And it is one judge who has more than a few vested interests in political opposition.
The fact remains that anyone without a visa or an expired visa or an invalid one or a fraudulently obtained one can be summarily removed. We do have the option for a criminal prosecution or we can save the expense and just send them back, which is immsearuably faster.
it's good to know there are macrumors regulars who don't believe in due process. once to be seen as a non-controversial thing. anybody should get their moment in court.
It's illegal, that's the point. It's how your legal system works.
You can't just say, well, all judges are nominated by the president, so law doesn't count.
Let the stock stay down as long as Apple continues to repurchase shares on the cheap. I think that's what Apple and big investors want most. You don't hear anyone from Apple telling shareholders not to dump shares, as Elon Musk has told investors. I don't think Apple is concerned about the share price and simply wants to sell products for as much profit as possible. I believe Apple stock will recover, and I would be satisfied with a return to $240 this year. It's unfortunate this correction has taken place, but that's the breaks. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.
i think it's quite simple.
if you think these tariffs are a negotiating tactic than apple is really cheap
if you think these tariffs are here to stay than apple is immeasurably screwed in the short-term. they already worked hard to move manufacturing out of china and have to deal with a bunch of country's protectionism schemes.
Missed the chance to buy the dip. Too many morning meetings.
Oh well, it didn't dip to my set price point anyway.
Oh well, it didn't dip to my set price point anyway.
Ah, the old “any judicial decision I don’t like is politically motivated” strategy. 🙄
Deporting expired/fdradulent/no visas is exactly how things are supposed to happen. We just had someone who ignored that. There is no breaking of the law to revoke visas for any or no reason, or deporting those with no right to be here.
Everything’s made overseas these days. Just take a stroll through Walmart and watch: who’s grabbing the $20 lamp made in China, and who’s shelling out $200 for the “Proudly Made in the USA” version? Americans could’ve voted with their wallets but let’s be honest, nobody wanted or could afford to pay the premium.
And now? Even the stuff that says it’s made in the US is tangled up in global supply chains. Just look at the car industry: sure, final assembly might happen in Detroit, but where do the wheels come from? The leather seats? The gearbox? The electronics? Even the steel is imported. And guess what? All of that’s getting taxed now.
So what’s the plan? You guys think Cletus and Destiny are gonna pack up and leave their trailer park in Big Ugly Creek, West Virginia, to work 12-hour shifts in a New Mexico sweatshop churning out cheap lamps, just so the rest of the country can keep paying twenty bucks?
Didn’t think so. The world is more complex than agent Crasnow is telling you.
And now? Even the stuff that says it’s made in the US is tangled up in global supply chains. Just look at the car industry: sure, final assembly might happen in Detroit, but where do the wheels come from? The leather seats? The gearbox? The electronics? Even the steel is imported. And guess what? All of that’s getting taxed now.
So what’s the plan? You guys think Cletus and Destiny are gonna pack up and leave their trailer park in Big Ugly Creek, West Virginia, to work 12-hour shifts in a New Mexico sweatshop churning out cheap lamps, just so the rest of the country can keep paying twenty bucks?
Didn’t think so. The world is more complex than agent Crasnow is telling you.
That is the same criticism you wield on others who are allowing the deportations, so that is a curious statement. Politics are a reality, and it is a tad odd with the trending of what judge came from what POV and is doing what to whom. One cannot consider a politically-appointed judge with documents conflicts of interest or a vested interest in a policy outcome as sacrosanct. That is why there is a long hierarchal process, but until the case is out of the immediate hands the review process cannot begin.
But the fact remains that anyone without a visa or a valid visa can be summarily removed, and that is completely legal.
They get the criminal due process if we are going to charge and try them with a criminal offense.
Visa revocations or violations or the absence of a visa are not subject to the criminal due process. It has its own defined process. And that is being followed. They are getting due process. I believe you mistakenly think a different process applies to visa/entry situations. So I ask again, please tell me what specific process you think is being voided.
I don't think any US state will seriously try secession ever again, not for the foreseeable future.
But if they did, they'd probably take the entire coast with them.
Not sure if it did come to secession they'd care too much that the federal government they've declared independence from owns the land.
They're doing what they always do and commenting through their pundits like Stern and Gruber.
Ford cars are about 63% sourced in the US. Tesla is the most American-made car in the country and are about 94% and we see what the hypochondriacs-cum-terrorists are doing to random Tesla/owners lately.
As I said, I am not happy with the outsourcing, but we went waaaaay too far with it. We saw what happened with chip manufacturing. We still make the high end chips domestically but then send to China for assembly. The low end chips are from Taiwan and Korea, but when that got disrupted that effected everthing from printers to car availability.
While I do not like the economic reality, I do accept it... but I also see that we clearly need to adjust our perceptions and industry so that any international tiff does not damage us. We can delay a $20 lamp, but we cannot delay medications. So we need to have a certain array made domestically just for our social stability, and then for foreign sourcing we definitely need other not put all our eggs in one national basket, which is why I advocated having many nations as offshore sources. For meds, we used to make a lot in our close ally the Philippines, but China even took that manufacturing away. We should be making pain meds, insulin, anesthesia and antibiotics domestically... but sadly MacBook Airs and AirPods are not high up that national necessity and security list.
Not just all AirPods made in Vietnam or all MacBook Airs made in China... Apple (just as an example) should have them diversified for origin even if there are variations in the cost. So we make 20% of Airs in China. 20% in India. 20% in Brazil, and so on. So when China decides to start a war or take Taiwan, we can then shift the output to 30% from India and Brazil and cut China sourcing to zero, and there is no significant disruption to the market and minimal price increases. That is what I was trying to drive Cook to do with my shareholder question over a decade ago, and the question and situation was dismissed. Well, now it has come back to hurt us, and not just for Apple products. (Though I will use those as exemplars just based on this website/forum.)
I love out sourcing and I don’t trust most products quality made in America.
Out sourcing is also what gets me stuff on the cheap (see SHEIN)
Where have I made before the criticism that you question here? The fact is that everything stands or falls with the legitimacy of the courts, so it is in no one’s interest to blithely toss around charges of judicial corruption, as the current administration is doing over and over.
For secession... I can see the Oregon counties and a few Washington State and maybe even a couple-three Northern California counties all withdrawing from their states and joining Idaho. Many of the counties have passed their referendums on the matter. But I think that concept is like penguins in the pool... penguins will gather around an open pool in the ice, starving but no one jumps in even when they see the fish. Then one falls in accidentally or one is brave or starving enough to jump... and then hundreds follow seconds later. I can see that sort of thing happening if the proof of concept or proof of bureaucracy is shown by a few counties switching states. As to what specific counties or provinces or whatever, I cannot say but am intrigued.
But that concept aside, California is a trainwreck of a state and it only gets worse. I have been there for 32 years and I have spent the last six moving my business and interests out of the state that holds its needed tax base in contempt while it never passes up a change to make things more difficult or more expensive or more dangerous, all while claiming the opposite. California has a complete lack of forensic analysis or self-reflection.
Citation please. You’re making this claim do a lot of work and I would like to know the authority for it before I grant it. Thank you.
Your statement just proved my theory and I do not think you even realize it.
But it is also curious that you ignored two other administrations, one of which lost more cases on constitutional grounds than any other Administration in US history. Care to guess which one that was? Hint: He was Biden's boss and partner for 8 years. Then we had the Covid issues and compulsory actions that were also shot down.
Why do you want me to do your work for you? Is your google broken? Do you not have two seconds to type "can a visa be revoked for any reason?" You must be a very busy person.
I'll do you a mitzvah anyway.
