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You're just giving reasons why Apple is in a better position to take steps to secure their chips. Check out all the millions of Android users still using compromised phones with Qualcomm chips simply because their phone no longer receives any updates.

On the other side, Apple released fixed a 2019 exploit on their Mac lines and released updates for devices dated as far back as 2011 (including obsolete Macs).

I think you've hit on exactly the reason why Apple is moving to Apple Silicon. Keeping up with the industry is just way too expensive. Let's imagine what happens during a typical Apple board meeting:

Apple Chief of Security: We've discovered a major flaw in our hardware. We should patch it right away.

Apple Director of Marketing: Oooooorrrr… we can just tell everyone to upgrade to the latest and greatest hardware, and if they don't it's on them for not taking security seriously!

Apple Chief of Security: We have a responsibility to our customers…

Tim Cook: Let's just do what makes us the most money. Hey, aren't you security guys supposed to be handling Lost and Found? Because I'm pretty sure I lost a Bentley with a trunk full $100 bills the other week, and I need you guys to go find that instead of worrying about nonsense like Mac exploits that's doing nothing but putting a dent in our bottom line.
 
Another reason why Apple Silicon is a horrible idea. Apple isn't ready, willing, or able to do the groundwork necessary to keep their chips secure. Get used to the Mac going from one of the most secure platforms out there to being ridden with horrible, unpatchable bugs and security exploits.

It's one thing when you can make the OS a walled garden, like with iOS. When you can control the software, you don't need to worry about the hardware being buggy. But unless we're going to have the Mac App Store be the only source for Mac apps, get used to having your computer pwned on a daily basis once Apple Silicon is a reality.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about at all, just a warning to those reading this...
 
Nope you didn't.

You just made up some random numbers to support your claim.



Yep it is.
That's just stupid. I said is it an Apples to Apple comparison you're making? ]The answer is no.
I gave random numbers yes to support a claim but as an EXAMPLE so you knew what to reply with. You replied with BS.

Let me make it easy for you. Pls post numbers to support your narrative.
 
Sorry, I don’t understand much of that - with a MacBook Air 2020, do I have to be careful now about something or is this a risk that is very common, no matter what device? Its my first MacBook so still getting used to it, apologies.
 
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about at all, just a warning to those reading this...
That may be your opinion, but I see his point and agree with it. Too many time some people who enjoy apple products bend over backwards to justify how much superior apple products are, at the expense of logic and common sense ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I do think apple products have many advantages, but they also have disadvantages, like everything in life
 
Unless I've misunderstood this, you have to be physically with the machine, with a mailicous USB device plugged in, with the device already unlocked by the user of the device?

Exactly.

While I'm not thrilled by this news... it doesn't sound like an easy hack to perform. Needing physical access, and the need to have the device unlocked, are major hurdles.

I certainly don't agree with the "Apple is a failure / Apple shouldn't make their own chips" sentiment in some of these comments.
 
Pls post numbers to support your narrative.

I guess you have yet to understand what "my narrative" is:

At the time Spectre/Meltdown went public 100% (expect really obsolete pre Pentium stuff) of Intel CPUs in use were effected.

Exploit could be used by getting code to run on any unpatched system and every patch can be circumvented by getting access at the HW level.

The T2 exploit needs HW access and even then it won't work 100% of the time.

So unless you have reason to believe that someone with the resources will do a targeted attack on you this is pretty much a nothingburger.
 
Another reason why Apple Silicon is a horrible idea. Apple isn't ready, willing, or able to do the groundwork necessary to keep their chips secure. Get used to the Mac going from one of the most secure platforms out there to being ridden with horrible, unpatchable bugs and security exploits.

It's one thing when you can make the OS a walled garden, like with iOS. When you can control the software, you don't need to worry about the hardware being buggy. But unless we're going to have the Mac App Store be the only source for Mac apps, get used to having your computer pwned on a daily basis once Apple Silicon is a reality.
LOL “pwned on a daily basis.” This is just some apple hater. You speak as if everyone’s going to get hit with this every day like some dolt that probably doesn’t even own an apple device.
 
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about at all, just a warning to those reading this...

Please support your statement with facts. Dismissing something by making it personal does not make for a good argument.

Also, people don't need to be warned. They are perfectly capable of forming their own opinion based on the information they digest.
 
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That may be your opinion, but I see his point and agree with it. Too many time people who enjoy apple products bend over backwards to justify how much superior apple products are, at the expense of logic and common sense ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I do think apple products have many advantages, but they also have disadvantages, like everything in life

Yeah, pretty much this. I'm a die-hard Mac user—I would seriously consider changing jobs and industries before I would move to Windows—but I really think the Intel Mac era is going to be looked back upon as the golden age of the Mac.

What we're in store for now, I can't be sure of… but nothing about Apple being the sole supplier for Mac hardware from top to bottom makes me rest easy.
 
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Another reason why Apple Silicon is a horrible idea. Apple isn't ready, willing, or able to do the groundwork necessary to keep their chips secure. Get used to the Mac going from one of the most secure platforms out there to being ridden with horrible, unpatchable bugs and security exploits.

It's one thing when you can make the OS a walled garden, like with iOS. When you can control the software, you don't need to worry about the hardware being buggy. But unless we're going to have the Mac App Store be the only source for Mac apps, get used to having your computer pwned on a daily basis once Apple Silicon is a reality.
Some people just say anything they want, true or not.
 
Is my MacBook still secure if someone steals it from my room whilst I'm away and it's switched off - the answer appears to be yes. I'm not really clear that it's actually a big deal as you need to run the compromise with device on, which would imply you've compromised the user account and have access to the data anyway.

If you have Filevault on, the attacker would still need you to type in the password to your computer while the malicious device is plugged in, before they can access anything.

So basically compared to a PC or Mac without T2 chip, it's still as secure - some of the additional security provided by the T2 chip is just circumvented.
 
It's funny because that a supposed to be a secured security chip now become a flaw to security.

No, the additional security provided by the chip is just circumvented. So it's still as secure as any PC or Mac without a T2 chip - you still need physical access to the computer and need to keylog the user entering their password.
 
Maybe I’m old, but I remember when connecting a data cable not plugged into anything else didn’t compromise your computer. The entire industry has gone daffy.
 
LOL “pwned on a daily basis.” This is just some apple hater. You speak as if everyone’s going to get hit with this every day like some dolt that probably doesn’t even own an apple device.

Trust me, I'm far from an Apple hater. As far as I'm concerned, there are two types of computers: Unix* and toys. MacOS as it is is pretty much the ideal operating system. All of Apple's elegance with the power of Unix.

What I DON'T want to see is it becoming iOS Pro—a walled garden where Apple tells you what you can and can't do with THEIR computer. Unfortunately, Apple Silicon is a major step in that direction, and anybody who doesn't see that just needs to look at the history of iOS to understand that nothing except the good will of Apple Inc. is preventing that from happening. My major concern is that Apple just doesn't know any way other than locking things down and dictating terms of acceptable use to its users to maintain a secure system.

*This includes Unix-likes, Linux, BSD, etc.
 
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That may be your opinion, but I see his point and agree with it. Too many time people who enjoy apple products bend over backwards to justify how much superior apple products are, at the expense of logic and common sense ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I do think apple products have many advantages, but they also have disadvantages, like everything in life

Exaggerating the reaction towards Apple after the first security flaw of a chip when the history of AMD and Intel's doesn't need citing...how is that not a knee jerk biased dooms day reaction that we usually see on MR forums?
 
I guess you have yet to understand what "my narrative" is:

At the time Spectre/Meltdown went public 100% (expect really obsolete pre Pentium stuff) of Intel CPUs in use were effected.

Exploit could be used by getting code to run on any unpatched system and every patch can be circumvented by getting access at the HW level.

The T2 exploit needs HW access and even then it won't work 100% of the time.

So unless you have reason to believe that someone with the resources will do a targeted attack on you this is pretty much a nothingburger.
Again, no numbers.
If you're not going to come back with at least a goods guess of the number of serious exploits against number of chips releaased by Apple vs Apple, don't bother.
 
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Another reason why Apple Silicon is a horrible idea. Apple isn't ready, willing, or able to do the groundwork necessary to keep their chips secure. Get used to the Mac going from one of the most secure platforms out there to being ridden with horrible, unpatchable bugs and security exploits.

It's one thing when you can make the OS a walled garden, like with iOS. When you can control the software, you don't need to worry about the hardware being buggy. But unless we're going to have the Mac App Store be the only source for Mac apps, get used to having your computer pwned on a daily basis once Apple Silicon is a reality.
Just as evidence, ARM, Intel, AMD, windows have never had any security vulnerabilities identified. Oh and USB protocols.
 
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