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Yeah. Privacy. Talk about planned CSAM and rumours about ads coming in.

If anything, it shows power of marketing, which Google totally lacks and fails on.
CSAM is bad and we all complained about it. It's not implemented just yet though so the privacy on iOS is currently better than Android.
 
For us non Americans it would have been nice if Macrumors could have given us a percentage breakdown for the Android segment in order to gauge the popularity of other brands?

Good point. I did some quick googling for another thread recently where this topic came up, and while the links I found don't contain the data for this latest quarter, they might nonetheless adequately fill the gap that you've observed:
To me, the two key takeaways are:
  • Apple's market share isn't nearly so dominant on the worldwide stage -- but they still make a pretty decent showing, and
  • Outside of Samsung and Apple, the list of companies that make it big in the US is indeed dramatically different from the list internationally.
Both of these observations are likely in large part due to the significant number of Chinese cell phone vendors which never even make it into the US market, for various reasons. That said: the numbers decidedly show that Samsung pretty much beats out all of the other Android vendors, both within the US and around the world. (Interestingly, Google's own Nexus phones are buried somewhere in the "Others" category.)
 
I'm not a fan of either Android or iOS. Both are not private in any way from US Gov agencies and departments and approved corporations. But iOS does have, at the moment, more protection against independent scammers than Android.

That ship sailed long ago. If that truly is your top concern, about your only option is custom built hardware running Linux that you compiled from scratch after writing your own compiler. If even then.
 
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I'm not sure what Google will offer with the upcoming Pixel 7 but right now, Samsung actually provides more years/generations of Android OS updates than Google Pixel.

Overall, however, the Android OS update average for U.S. phones is around half what it is for iPhone but that's part of what you're paying for with the iPhone's typically higher retail price. It also helps give iPhone a better resale value than average Android phones.
But it also means you can actually use your iPhone for several years, even if you have to replace the battery every 3-4 years or so.
 
I made the switch in 2013 with the 5s.

The reason I switched wasn't really the OS... or maybe it was in a way. The primary reason I switched from Android to iOS at the time was that iPhones seemed to have a much longer lifespan than the Android phones at the time.

At one point, you couldn't pay me to buy an iPhone but after about a 1.5 years of use, the Android phones became slow, laggy, and buggy. After 2 years, you were getting no updates and no support. To keep my Android phones for longer than 2 years, I had to suffer through the slowness, and the lag in response or feedback on the touchscreen. Meanwhile all my friends have their 2 year old iPhones that are moving smooth like butter. That's what made me really switch after resisting for years.

I'm not sure if that's a problem that Android phones still have.
 
... Meanwhile all my friends have their 2 year old iPhones that are moving smooth like butter. That's what made me really switch after resisting for years.

I'm not sure if that's a problem that Android phones still have.
I think it is, actually. Another MacRumors article from a few days ago gave us a pretty decent idea of what iOS would look like if it were running on Android hardware... and it seems to me that it left a great deal to be desired. Even with that iOS-alike skin, Androids just can't quite get that "buttery" feel down pat.
 
you pay a monthly fee (on a 24 months commitment) and get to upgrade every year, by sending back the previous model. Samsung offers something similar in Germany.
It's the biggest ripoff ever. VZW does nothing similar. And I believe I've read the others have something, but you get insurance or something else tangible, and not just the right to upgrade early.
 
CSAM is bad and we all complained about it. It's not implemented just yet though so the privacy on iOS is currently better than Android.
No it's not!
To be clear both are bad in terms of privacy but I can't really choose which is worse if you're limiting it to that one thing.
 


Apple's iPhones have overtaken Android devices to account for more than half of all smartphones used in the United States, according to data from Counterpoint Research (via Financial Times).

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The active installed base of iPhones passed the 50% landmark in the quarter ending in June,
This is NOT good. Apple should have raised prices on iPhones to keep their market share at below 49%. As the non-dominant vendor in their market, this would make them less susceptible to anti-trust lawsuits. Anti-trust action could possibly require Apple to break up, ruining many of the good things that come from vertical integration. Sad.
 
This is NOT good. Apple should have raised prices on iPhones to keep their market share at below 49%. As the non-dominant vendor in their market, this would make them less susceptible to anti-trust lawsuits. Anti-trust action could possibly require Apple to break up, ruining many of the good things that come from vertical integration. Sad.
I'm no expert, but this doesn't sound right. Having <= 49% market share doesn't protect you from anti-trust actions.
 
I love all of the people on here harping about how "terrible" the experience is with Android.

It is obvious they have spent zero time with it, or was on a device from over a decade ago. I've been on Nexus/Pixel phones from the N4 on and a couple of Galaxy devices thrown in there and have never, NEVER had an issue with slowdowns, network issues, constant app crashes, slow updates or whatever else anyone is complaining about. I appreciate the simplicity that iOS offers as I have a 12PM as a work device but I'd never make it my daily driver.

The upcoming 14 still doesn't have USB-C, no periscope camera, it's taken them forever to get rid of the notch, etc, etc, etc. Android and the wide variety of features and options that it offers is the only thing pushing Apple forward at their glacial pace.
 
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even a 93-year-young granny can put down her iPhone Xs and start using the latest iPhone 13 or 14 with no issues.... everything just works. (observed this many times)

can't say that about Android phones... not even when they are both Samsung phones.(speaking from personal experience, Note 20 Ultra users may not know how to use all the features of older/newer flagship Samsung phones)
Because nothing ever changes and features aren't added very often with Apple. Samsung's UI is remarkably consistent throughout their range, so what you're saying makes no sense. There's a learning curve with any new feature being added regardless if it's Apple, Samsung, Oppo, Huawei, etc.

Progress is a good thing, you're making it sound like it's bad.
 
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I love all of the people on here harping about how "terrible" the experience is with Android.
To be fair, there are a fair amount of people harping about how terrible the experience with IOS is.
It is obvious they have spent zero time with it, or was on a device from over a decade ago. I've been on Nexus/Pixel phones from the N4 on and a couple of Galaxy devices thrown in there and have never, NEVER had an issue with slowdowns, network issues, constant app crashes, slow updates or whatever else anyone is complaining about.
People claim android slows down. I'm sure the truth is in the middle somewhere
I appreciate the simplicity that iOS offers as I have a 12PM as a work device but I'd never make it my daily driver.
I'd love to experiment with a modern android phone, but would never consider making it my daily driver.
The upcoming 14 still doesn't have USB-C,
To me a plus.
no periscope camera,
Depends on how much that feature is worth according to buying priorities.
it's taken them forever to get rid of the notch, etc, etc, etc.
The notch is a great visual differentiator. Long live the notch.
Android and the wide variety of features and options that it offers is the only thing pushing Apple forward at their glacial pace.
No what's pushing apple forward at the pace they want is to sell more phones. They understand they cannot sell phones that have the same feature set year after year.
 
I made the switch in 2013 with the 5s.

The reason I switched wasn't really the OS... or maybe it was in a way. The primary reason I switched from Android to iOS at the time was that iPhones seemed to have a much longer lifespan than the Android phones at the time.

At one point, you couldn't pay me to buy an iPhone but after about a 1.5 years of use, the Android phones became slow, laggy, and buggy. After 2 years, you were getting no updates and no support. To keep my Android phones for longer than 2 years, I had to suffer through the slowness, and the lag in response or feedback on the touchscreen. Meanwhile all my friends have their 2 year old iPhones that are moving smooth like butter. That's what made me really switch after resisting for years.

I'm not sure if that's a problem that Android phones still have.
Funny, that was when I switched -away- from both iOS and Mac, because both 7s made some very bad decisions, to my mind. And I've never looked back. Windows Phone was an amazing experiment, just a shame they axed it, and then, ironically, Nokia Android phones were really nice, until they abandoned the high end of the market.

Now I've had my Z Flip for two years and it has been my best smartphone experience to date. I couldn't go back to a brick of a phone, and certainly not to iOS. I find it a right pain to navigate by comparison, when I have to sort out things that go wrong on my mother's 2021 SE. Apple really does a poor job at the "low" end lol. It's just a shame that the Z Flips are almost as expensive as the mainstream iPhones. Almost. Oh and I have USB C charging ... gonna be very interested to see if that comes to iPhone 14 ... or if they just remove the charge port altogether.
 
Would've been nice to read the Financial Times article but it was behind a paywall.

It's not surprising that Apple's iPhone dominates the home market in America.
What's somewhat surprising is that it dominates a certain market outside of America where Android smartphones generally dominate. Apple dominates in the premium consumer market while Android dominates in the general consumer market. That makes relative sense since Apple has marketed itself as a company making luxury, premium, higher priced products.

"The iPhone US market share hit an all-time high last quarter, giving it more than 50% of the total US market for the first time ever, according to a new market intelligence report.

Apple also dominates global premium smartphone sales, accounting for 78% of the $1,000+ segment worldwide …"

 
... or if they just remove the charge port altogether.
That has been rumored in the past and is indeed a plausible direction, given that the EU rules on standardized charger ports only apply to devices using wired charging. But the rules in question don't take effect until the fall of 2024, so I wouldn't necessarily peg that as an iPhone 14 feature; more likely that'll happen in 2023, so that Apple can continue selling the iPhone 15 into '25/'26.
 
... I simply don't have time for an ecosystem that falls further behind every year.
This is the reason I'm an iPhone user. I decided years ago that the Apple ecosystem – all of it: iCloud, MacBooks, iPads, Watch, AppleTV – is an ecosystem that works well for me so I jumped in after years of Apple proving that that it could. It continues to work well and gets better year over year. What's the incentive for me to switch at this point? Basically none. Changing phones, or any piece of it, to Android breaks the integration with this ecosystem. As long as Apple continues to provide a useful ecosystem, I'm in.
 
If anything, it shows power of marketing, which Google totally lacks and fails on.
Apple had an advantage at the start of the smartphone wars. Not from being first, but having a single, united software/hardware platform that a single, cohesive marketing message could get behind.

Android plus random hardware seems to make it difficult for Google to market. They can spout greatness about the software and Google Cloud but yet can't speak to the the hardware side. With the Pixel line they have that opportunity but must now market in direct competition with hardware brands who in turn market against each other (and against Apple). I'm not a marketing major but I think this fragmentation and co-opetition provides significant marketing challenges.
 
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But it does prove people are willing to pay more for a walled garden
A walled garden? I’ve never owned an android. I, like most people (I assume) buy iPhones because iOS is smoother, the build quality, the materials and the design is just superior.

I don’t know where this “privacy” thing is coming from tbh. Apple didn’t grow this big because of privacy. Everyone bought Apple products because they were great and because Apple has always been the best at marketing its products.
 
Unfortunately I feel this "push" and competition had let to an overflow of rushed functionalities/features. The optimisation of Apps and iOS where much better on the first versions.

I used to be able to discover most functionalities without any tutorial. Now I have to search the web on how to use "simple" features (ex: the long exposure feature on iPhone 13 Pro, ).

This flood of features overwhelms users. My opinion…

Could not agree more. So many basic settings and functions and I’ve had to Google where to find them or watch a quick YouTube about it. It’s getting kind of crazy…
 
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Apple had an advantage at the start of the smartphone wars. Not from being first, but having a single, united software/hardware platform that a single, cohesive marketing message could get behind.

Android plus random hardware seems to make it difficult for Google to market. They can spout greatness about the software and Google Cloud but yet can't speak to the the hardware side. With the Pixel line they have that opportunity but must now market in direct competition with hardware brands who in turn market against each other (and against Apple). I'm not a marketing major but I think this fragmentation and co-opetition provides significant marketing challenges.

I agree with you entirely on every single point -- however, it's worth noting that it could have easily gone the other way. Reflect back a bit to before the smartphone wars had even started. Back before the iPod was even a thing, let alone the iPhone. Back before Apple Inc. changed their name. Back when "smartphones" had chicklet keyboards, and that market was entirely dominated by Blackberry. There was this other (ahem) little competition which paralleled literally every detail that you just described, except for the end result: Apple Computer Inc. vs. Microsoft, and the desktop computer wars.

Come to think of it... you don't even have to rewind the clock at all to have some idea of how that all played out, but in the exceedingly unlikely event that you are somehow unaware of the battle to which I'm referring: Apple lost. Of course, you never know what the future may hold. Apple may yet dominate that market as well, one day. The stage is certainly set for that possibility.

But... it hasn't happened quite yet.
 
I was an Android early adopter and stuck with 'em for about four years or so. I kept buying flagship phones because at that time it was the only way to reliably get the newest version of Android OS.

Even when I had my job at AppleCare, I was STILL using flagship Android phones as my daily driver and never even considered an iPhone. Until one day my Android phone fell a quarter of a meter and exploded in a thousand tiny pieces (okay, an exaggeration, but it was basically unusable). I went through SEVEN different insurance replacement devices. One day, while on a phone call with my boss, my phone randomly restarted. It did it three more times before I got angry and just walked across the street from my job and bought an iPhone 4S at full price. I had that thing for years and it survived falling into a mop bucket, survived me handling it with gloves that had been exposed with aqua regia, I got updates, and the app quality seemed ridiculously top notch.

I still miss that phone and it was the reason I immediately pre-ordered the 12 Pro Max (I love flat sides for some reason) despite doing just fine on my iPhone X.
 
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