Apple's U.S. Smartphone Usage Share Remains Above 40%

[AppleScruff1]

I fully disagree on the "much more stable" part of your comment. I can understand why apps crash on Android (different cpu's, memory configs, screen resolutions, software versions, ect) but it's mind boggling that Apple's own apps crashed on a regular basis which to me is unacceptable; especially when there's only a handful of devices to support. Not to mention apps in the App store crashing to the desktop or some apps not updated to take advantage of the 4" display. Stability was the reason for trying out the iPhone 5s but it failed miserably in my case. Maybe it's because I'm a power user.
When Apple updates the screen size again are we going to see apps for 3 display sizes (3.5", 4" and ?") in the Apple store? The idea of that put me over the edge. Apple needs to enforce that better. My only qualms about Android is that the latest version of Android is not running on all the flagships. But if you have a beef with software updates Google has the Nexus series.

How about the App Store itself crashing on the iPad Air?

 

[nia820]

Pretty sure Samsung makes high quality devices. I mean, hell, apple used their parts at one point. Also, WW sales on the S4 surpass that of the iPhone. Until Apple wooes the Asian market, they will lose big time in the WW market.

Who cares what the world wide market is like. Only the US market matters[sarcasm].

 

[mib1800]

You are absolutely correct because during my iPhone 5s ownership each update did fix issues without carrier intervention. But none of those updates fixed the Safari crashes which felt as if the phone was starving for more memory. Even iPad Airs were crashing the same way when I was doing research on iPad Air vs. retina iPad mini. And no amount of Apple updates will fix badly coded apps in the App store. That's the problem; I'm no programmer but I don't understand why some apps just do not work when 74% of the people are running the same OS. Take the Netgear app for instance. It worked just fine on my Android tablet but refused to work correctly on both my iPhone 5s and wife's iPhone 5. Look at the reviews. I learned that the term "it just works" does not apply to everything associated with iOS/iPhone.

I think this is a problem with iOS model. Why does what are essential just apps need to be tied down to the OS update? On Android, if the browser is reported to have issues, an update of that app can be issued in the Playstore. No hassle at all. If the developers don't fix the bug quickly, Android users can move on and use another browser as the default instead.

Most built-in apps in Android have been disassociated from the OS. The lack of OS update in Android has very much lesser impact on users than iOS update. In fact, end-users do not even see much difference in the capability of their Android phones when updated to a newer OS version.

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[DeathChill]

You believe one analyst as the fact? If you just take launch quarter you are looking at 20-25 mil S4 sold. Common sense tells that if Samsung sold 40mil S4 (high ends) in 6months (25% of total volume with just 1 phone), then this ratio should be maintained over next period (with some variance). Otherwise it is just nonsense that in first 6 months Samsung sold lots of high ends and in the next 6 months suddenly it just sold only low-ends. This fact is backed up by the fact that samsung has reported sales volume/value has been growing at a rate faster than apple quarter by quarter.

No one said that they only sold low-end. I'm saying that the sales will drop off as the device gets older.

Take last quarter Apple sales of 33mil of which 50% are high end Ip5 gives 16.5 mil. Just taking the S4 only which makes up 25% of samsung volume (i.e 20mil/80mil). Maybe be modest and add 10% as the rest like S4 active/note2/3, S3/Mega giving 35% ratio. That comes out to 29mil phone per quarter. That's already 1.75 times of apple high end.

So above calculation is definitely more realistic than your assertion and I quote:
"then the majority is likely from their lower-end offerings (not necessarily crappy cheap phones, just not their flagships)" .

Maybe the fact the apple is no longer the king of smartphones is just too painful for some apple fans to swallow.

http://macdailynews.com/2013/07/22/...f-apples-smartphone-sales-iphone-4s-takes-30/

You don't get to say that we should ignore an analyst who is saying something you don't like and listen to the one who is.

Also, you're including Samsung's older offerings (Note 2, S3) and then only count the iPhone 5 against all of Samsung's flagship and former flagship devices. Very strange way to do a comparison.

I also don't understand how you're countering what I said about the majority of their sales being non-flagship devices. You did your calculations based off your made up numbers and they are still MUCH less than 50% of sales so you're not even disagreeing me with.

 

[mib1800]

No one said that they only sold low-end. I'm saying that the sales will drop off as the device gets older.

yeah and then a new model appears and the cycle repeats again. So what is your point?

You don't get to say that we should ignore an analyst who is saying something you don't like and listen to the one who is.

I am not ignoring. Every does future prediction but we have to wait for the actual figures to come in before we know isnt it? Even if the prediction is right, you are talking about 5mil S4 a month==> 15mil per quarter.

Also, you're including Samsung's older offerings (Note 2, S3) and then only count the iPhone 5 against all of Samsung's flagship and former flagship devices. Very strange way to do a comparison.

I also don't understand how you're countering what I said about the majority of their sales being non-flagship devices. You did your calculations based off your made up numbers and they are still MUCH less than 50% of sales so you're not even disagreeing me with.

What made up numbers?
40mil S4 sold in 6 months. ==> 20 mil / qtr.
30mil Note 2 sold in a year ==> 7.5 mil / qtr

http://bgr.com/2013/09/30/galaxy-note-sales-40-million-lifetime/

This already gives a total of 27.5mil per quarter (close to the 29mil I used in calc). Are Note2/S4 the only high end phones Samsung sells? And why not include S3 with Ip5 as both of them were released in the same year? . So in fact, the actual figure might be even higher. Maybe you should brush up on your maths.

btw: And you are the on who is making things up and painting a picture that Samsung only sells so many phones because "majority" are low-end. To me, from the way you implied "majority" is like 90% low-end and 10% high end and samsung is trailing far behind Apple in high end phone sales which is baloney.

Even at 35% ratio high-ends, the volume still crush Apple volume (i.e. about twice the size) isnt it? If you factor in that Note3 is selling much faster than Note2. So a near 40% ratio of high-end is not inconceivable.

 

[Vtwo]

yeah and then a new model appears and the cycle repeats again. So what is your point?



I am not ignoring. Every does future prediction but we have to wait for the actual figures to come in before we know isnt it? Even if the prediction is right, you are talking about 5mil S4 a month==> 15mil per quarter.



What made up numbers?
40mil S4 sold in 6 months. ==> 20 mil / qtr.
30mil Note 2 sold in a year ==> 7.5 mil / qtr

http://bgr.com/2013/09/30/galaxy-note-sales-40-million-lifetime/

This already gives a total of 27.5mil per quarter (close to the 29mil I used in calc). Are Note2/S4 the only high end phones Samsung sells? And why not include S3 with Ip5 as both of them were released in the same year? . So in fact, the actual figure might be even higher. Maybe you should brush up on your maths.

btw: And you are the on who is making things up and painting a picture that Samsung only sells so many phones because "majority" are low-end. To me, from the way you implied "majority" is like 90% low-end and 10% high end and samsung is trailing far behind Apple in high end phone sales which is baloney.

Even at 35% ratio high-ends, the volume still crush Apple volume (i.e. about twice the size) isnt it? If you factor in that Note3 is selling much faster than Note2. So a near 40% ratio of high-end is not inconceivable.

Wow, your math is pretty bad.

Samsung sold 80M in Q3, using 35% high end ratio, that is 28M. Apple sold 30M in Q3. How is that crushing for Apple? Twice the size? Please re-do your math before you try to make a point.

Also, Q3 is always the lowest for Apple since it is end of cycle.

40mil S4 sold in 6 months. ==> 20 mil / qtr. This can be misleading.

9 M iphone sold on opening week ==> 3mil/day. But the rate will always drop.

Look at iPhone sales after iPhone 5 release

Q1 47.8M Q2 37.4M Q3 31.2M Q4 33.8M (a few days of iPhone5s in there)

Obviously, some of these are iPhone 4S and 4well.

As you can see the sales drop. And that is even more pronounced for the S4 because the Note 3 does take away some sales whereas iPhone has one whole year all to itself.

If you look at the S4 milestones

30M in the first 3 months
10M in the next 3 months

You can see a big drop because the major wants the new handset. But it should stablize to maybe 8M in the next 2 quarters.

So that is 40M + 16M (projected) for 56M which is about 14M per quarter for the year.

For iphone, it is 150M per year. Even if only 50% is the 5, it would still be higher than the S4. And there is no way it is 50%, probably around 75-80%. And 5s should outsell the 5 by a significant margin (likely 10-15% increase)

 

[mib1800]

Wow, your math is pretty bad.

Samsung sold 80M in Q3, using 35% high end ratio, that is 28M. Apple sold 30M in Q3. How is that crushing for Apple? Twice the size? Please re-do your math before you try to make a point.

Wow. Your maths is even worse (plus your reading skills). You are including all the phones which Apple sells which includes cheapo 2 years old ip4s (which is not high-end). Didnt you see the link I gave that said ip5 make up 50% of Apples sales.

Also, Q3 is always the lowest for Apple since it is end of cycle.

40mil S4 sold in 6 months. ==> 20 mil / qtr. This can be misleading.

9 M iphone sold on opening week ==> 3mil/day. But the rate will always drop.

Look at iPhone sales after iPhone 5 release

Q1 47.8M Q2 37.4M Q3 31.2M Q4 33.8M (a few days of iPhone5s in there)

Obviously, some of these are iPhone 4S and 4well.

As you can see the sales drop. And that is even more pronounced for the S4 because the Note 3 does take away some sales whereas iPhone has one whole year all to itself.

If you look at the S4 milestones

30M in the first 3 months
10M in the next 3 months

You can see a big drop because the major wants the new handset. But it should stablize to maybe 8M in the next 2 quarters.

So that is 40M + 16M (projected) for 56M which is about 14M per quarter for the year.

For iphone, it is 150M per year. Even if only 50% is the 5, it would still be higher than the S4. And there is no way it is 50%, probably around 75-80%. And 5s should outsell the 5 by a significant margin (likely 10-15% increase)

Let's take Apple best quarter then. 48m phones at 50% high end = 24mil high end.
Let's take Samsung best quarter after S4 release : 30mil S4 + 10mil Note2/3 = 40mil.

You still come to same conclusion.

Like I told the other person, does it make sense that launch quarter Samsung sells a lot of high ends but then the next quarter it drops off a lot (talking about ratio here not units) WHEN statistics show actual sales volume keep increasing quarter by quarter?

Dont forget Samsung has 2 peaks in a year - S4 release and Note3 release. As long as we establish a ratio of high end phone, it just a simple maths to multiply with the sales.

Don't make things complicated by looking at variation quarter by quarter but take a year duration and all the numbers will even out the peaks (i.e low and high seasons) for both companies.

 

[Vtwo]

Wow. Your maths is even worse (plus your reading skills). You are including all the phones which Apple sells which includes cheapo 2 years old ip4s (which is not high-end). Didnt you see the link I gave that said ip5 make up 50% of Apples sales.

Unfortunately, you don't get to define what high-end is. iPhone4s was still selling for $549 during the period we are discussing so it is definitely high end.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrog...t-share-it-depends-how-you-define-the-market/

Also, there is something you failed to consider.

For Samsung, they release milestones which means they get the optimal number for their sales. The 30M they sold are 90 days after the phone is released.

For Apple, they release numbers in their financial reports where the dates are defined already. The 48M Quarter is actually 2013 Q1 which is Oct 1 to Dec 31st. But we have to remember the iPhone5 (and iPhone 5s as well) is released in end of Sept. There were 5M sold in the first WEEKEND. So if we move the time to Sept 21 to Dec 20nd. We would get a number much higher than 48.

 

[AppleMark]

This site would suck if there are 18 pages of "I love you Apple and can do no wrong" posts drooling and offering their first born sons to Tim. Not everybody is a cultist you know?

+1. Ahmen.

And you can take that to Church...!!

 

[mib1800]

Unfortunately, you don't get to define what high-end is. iPhone4s was still selling for $549 during the period we are discussing so it is definitely high end.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrog...t-share-it-depends-how-you-define-the-market/

If you want to do that, unfortunate a Nexus 5 at half the price of 5s has equal or better specs than the 5s. In China, there are many androids which kill 5s in spec but cost 1/3 the price. So based on specs, most mid to high ends androids have better specs than 4s/5/5s including screen size, RAM, camera, screen resolution etc.

So based on this, it is much worse for Apple buyers ==> i.e. they got fleeced big time.

 

[Vtwo]

If you want to do that, unfortunate a Nexus 5 at half the price of 5s has equal or better specs than the 5s. In China, there are many androids which kill 5s in spec but cost 1/3 the price. So based on specs, most mid to high ends androids have better specs than 4s/5/5s including screen size, RAM, camera, screen resolution etc.

So based on this, it is much worse for Apple buyers ==> i.e. they got fleeced big time.

There are other factors besides pure specs. And if you want to play the spec game, Apple CPU/GPU has shown they top the benchmarks without having to cheat.

How about things like build quality, customer service, etc?

Many Japanese cars also beat Germany cars in 'specs'...

 

[Nevaborn]

iOS 7 has for the first time made me consider a different smartphone OS. I'm really frustrated with uncharacteristically unintuitive things like the new Calendar. And I figure if I'm going to get that frustrated, I might as well dive into a different technology. I'm hoping that iOS7 is simply exhibiting growing pains and that it'll all eventually get straightened out. But if it doesn't, there are more and more compelling alternatives out there for me to explore.

Leave now, just go. I am out of patience with winging people who seem to need a wizard in how to use a sodding calendar.

Trhere are numbers... Theres are they days when you have something on it there is a red • ... Click the thing and scroll to see what and when.

Not difficult !

Go to Android or Windows and then perhaps you will learn what unintuitive actually means.

 

[osofast240sx]

If you want to do that, unfortunate a Nexus 5 at half the price of 5s has equal or better specs than the 5s. In China, there are many androids which kill 5s in spec but cost 1/3 the price. So based on specs, most mid to high ends androids have better specs than 4s/5/5s including screen size, RAM, camera, screen resolution etc.

So based on this, it is much worse for Apple buyers ==> i.e. they got fleeced big time.

A7 64 bit processor
M7 coprocessor
Fingerprint sensor

What smart phone beats those specs ????
That's just specs, now if you want to talk about overall user experience apple wins Hands down

 

[mib1800]

Unfortunately, you don't get to define what high-end is. iPhone4s was still selling for $549 during the period we are discussing so it is definitely high end.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrog...t-share-it-depends-how-you-define-the-market/

Also, there is something you failed to consider.

For Samsung, they release milestones which means they get the optimal number for their sales. The 30M they sold are 90 days after the phone is released.

For Apple, they release numbers in their financial reports where the dates are defined already. The 48M Quarter is actually 2013 Q1 which is Oct 1 to Dec 31st. But we have to remember the iPhone5 (and iPhone 5s as well) is released in end of Sept. There were 5M sold in the first WEEKEND. So if we move the time to Sept 21 to Dec 20nd. We would get a number much higher than 48.

You are confusing the situation. Why don't you just compare this quarter to the one a year ago and see how much is the growth. For the past year samsung has a higher year on year growth than apple for every quarter.

S3 sold 50 to 60 mil and note2 30 million in one year. That's 90 million high end. How many total phones apple sold the past year? 110 million? Which gives 55 million high end ip5.

And the s4 is projected to sell 80 mil and how many note3 maybe 40 million in one year.

That's a lot of phones and by sheer common sense tells you that it is NONSENSE that apple sold more high end flagship phones than samsung which many ifans want to believe. So it is time for them to get their heads out of the sand.

 

[osofast240sx]

You are confusing the situation. Why don't you just compare this quarter to the one a year ago and see how much is the growth. For the past year samsung has a higher year on year growth than apple for every quarter.

S3 sold 50 to 60 mil and note2 30 million for the past year. That's 90 million high end. How many total phones apple sold the past year? 110 million? Which gives 55 million high end ip5.

And for current year the s4 is projected to sell 80 mil and how many note3 maybe 40 million.

That's a lot of phones and by sheer common sense tells you that it is NOT TRUE that apple sold more high end flagship phones than samsung which many ifans want to believe. So it is time for them to get their heads out of the sand.

That's shipping number not sales!!!

 

[mib1800]

A7 64 bit processor
M7 coprocessor
Fingerprint sensor

What smart phone beats those specs ????
That's just specs, now if you want to talk about overall user experience apple wins Hands down

For the real "smartphone" users, iphone user experience really cannot make it.

see
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18460572/

Come back when Apple has fixed all these issues.

That's shipping number not sales!!!

Apple reports shipped numbers as sales too. What a revelation!!!! There must thousands of warehouses around stocked full with of unsold Iphones.

 

[osofast240sx]

For the real "smartphone" users, iphone user experience really cannot make it.

see
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/18460572/

Come back when Apple has fixed all these issues.



Apple reports shipped numbers as sales too. What a revelation!!!! There must thousands of warehouses around stocked full with of unsold Iphones.

those are issues for .05% of iPhone users.
They go not actual sales to end users, try again dude.
Used iPhone market is more profitable that a brand new Android phone.

Almost forgot Androids corporate smartphone sales are a total loss. Selling in bulk @ $9 per phone does not count.

 

[mib1800]

those are issues for .05% of iPhone users.
They go not actual sales to end users, try again dude.
Used iPhone market is more profitable that a brand new Android phone.

Almost forgot Androids corporate smartphone sales are a total loss. Selling in bulk @ $9 per phone does not count.

Keep deluding yourself in believing this. Fine by me.

 

[osofast240sx]

Keep deluding yourself in believing this. Fine by me.

Believing what?? Prove me wrong. I'll wait

 

[DeathChill]

yeah and then a new model appears and the cycle repeats again. So what is your point?



I am not ignoring. Every does future prediction but we have to wait for the actual figures to come in before we know isnt it? Even if the prediction is right, you are talking about 5mil S4 a month==> 15mil per quarter.



What made up numbers?
40mil S4 sold in 6 months. ==> 20 mil / qtr.
30mil Note 2 sold in a year ==> 7.5 mil / qtr

http://bgr.com/2013/09/30/galaxy-note-sales-40-million-lifetime/

This already gives a total of 27.5mil per quarter (close to the 29mil I used in calc). Are Note2/S4 the only high end phones Samsung sells? And why not include S3 with Ip5 as both of them were released in the same year? . So in fact, the actual figure might be even higher. Maybe you should brush up on your maths.

btw: And you are the on who is making things up and painting a picture that Samsung only sells so many phones because "majority" are low-end. To me, from the way you implied "majority" is like 90% low-end and 10% high end and samsung is trailing far behind Apple in high end phone sales which is baloney.

Even at 35% ratio high-ends, the volume still crush Apple volume (i.e. about twice the size) isnt it? If you factor in that Note3 is selling much faster than Note2. So a near 40% ratio of high-end is not inconceivable.

A majority would be anything over 51% I'd guess, but even with your made up numbers you're still way above that in low end sales. You made that 90% number up in your mind, I never said it. I never said Samsung was trailing far behind Apple in high end phones.

I'm done arguing about the numbers. Other posters have pointed out how your numbers are wrong for both Samsung and Apple and you don't seem to want to listen so meh, no skin off my back.

 

[mib1800]

Believing what?? Prove me wrong. I'll wait

What's there to prove when you said those hundreds of millions of smartphones Samsung produced every year are not sold to end users. Who then? E.T? Do you even realised you are talking nonsense?

Second point is you said iphone gives great user experience and i showed you all of its shortcomings. And you just pluck a nonsense figure out of air to say it doesn't matter. Maybe you want to do your own list how iphone gives a better experience than android.

 

[sc4rf4c3]

That's just specs, now if you want to talk about overall user experience apple wins Hands down

User experience is the same with my HTC One and iPhone 5.

 

[mib1800]

A majority would be anything over 51% I'd guess, but even with your made up numbers you're still way above that in low end sales. You made that 90% number up in your mind, I never said it. I never said Samsung was trailing far behind Apple in high end phones.

I'm done arguing about the numbers. Other posters have pointed out how your numbers are wrong for both Samsung and Apple and you don't seem to want to listen so meh, no skin off my back.

You are the one who is hung up on numbers. Fact is samsung sold 82 mil smartphones compared to 33mil for Apple last quarter. Why didn't you leave it at that. But no as the apple in you wanted apple to come out ahead so you argue that samsung figure is has no meanings since most or majority are low end which actual reported figures proved otherwise.

Samsung sold more than twice the number of smartphones compared to apple. That is an undisputed fact. Don't muddle the simple fact with your excuses.

 

[osofast240sx]

You are the one who is hung up on numbers. Fact is samsung sold 82 mil smartphones compared to 33mil for Apple last quarter. Why didn't you leave it at that. But no as the apple in you wanted apple to come out ahead so you argue that samsung figure is has no meanings since most or majority are low end which actual reported figures proved otherwise.

Samsung sold more than twice the number of smartphones compared to apple. That is an undisputed fact. Don't muddle the simple fact with your excuses.

Again those are shipped numbers to retail. Fact Samsung has never released smartphone sales to the public.

 

[mib1800]

Again those are shipped numbers to retail. Fact Samsung has never released smartphone sales to the public.

Then again apple reported figure are numbers shipped to retail. Fact apple has never released smartphone sales to the public.