Spot on. This is just Apple's window dressing and stems from a long obsession with Appleland where everything is Cookalitious and Iveydocious.
I wouldn't want to ever be seen as a token employee. I couldn't live with a stigma like that.
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Spot on. This is just Apple's window dressing and stems from a long obsession with Appleland where everything is Cookalitious and Iveydocious.
I wouldn't want to ever be seen as a token employee. I couldn't live with a stigma like that.
It comes down to certain people believing racism doesn't exist. How they can think that after coming from a Trump rally I'll never understand...
United States is very shallow society. They put labels on everything and anything, is not a society that include people, they exclude and put a label on you. That is why is so isolated and with the use of social media it got even worse. I was shocked when taking a real state training all the ethnicity issue I had to deal with so "that I have to avoid".
For example, in Venezuela, Colombia, Brazil. The black people are part of the culture, they used to be slaves as well but they fought to liberate the countries from Spain and Portugal. Here in the U.S. the sectorism still, "we are not one big family", no "you are there with your group and we are here with ours". But is not just with colors, religion too. Totally stupid.
That last thing apple care about when recruiting for their stores is qualifications....... Its all about a. Looking right for their brand, b. Having that American hi fiving, bending over backward for your customer attitude.
You are absolutely correct. On the other hand, the USA has had always an amazingly flexible, robust economy, and a commitment to democracy, as part of the national fabric. Neither of which has been characteristic of the vast majority of Latin American countries over their respective histories.
I'm not judging one system to be better than the others. But each has its good and bad points. As to myself, I would choose to be a citizen of the USA over any of the countries you mention.
Well, I guess the "undiverse" Apple created the Macintosh, the iPod, and the iPhone.
Still waiting to see what this new, v2.0 team creates in order to justify this "better company" description.
Maybe in future hiring for large companies could be delegated to a sophisticated AI system, who just hires the best people for the job? AI, programmed to totally ignore gender/race/orientation? I think that would be fair to everyone then. 
You can remove your sarcasm tag. It is EXACTLY what happens. I have been privy to hiring practices at 2 very large corporations and numbers of various races and disabilities does play into it. It is part of the conversations that go on many times when positions are created and HR consults happen with hiring managers.
Why would someone with multiple degrees from Harvard work for just over minimum wage?
If we truly wanted to be a world where race, color or sex did not matter, we would stop singling people out by race, color or sex. The true irony of the world we live in.
43% is "overwhelming?"
So you would rather the pendulum swing to the opposite extreme instead of being neutral and having a fresh start???? Way to hold a grudge for stuff that never happened to you but happened to your ancestors there big guy......! (and in turn those 'white' people suffer now for what their ancestors may or more than likely may not have done.)
As post before me state, hire the best; promote the best.
Well, sure, but what is the definition of best. I think that degrees are a small part of the definition -- you do want to know that they have at least learned the subject. Experience is also part of the definition -- you want to see steady progression in various companies that shows continued motivation and recognition. Accomplishments are also part of the definition -- results matter! Feedback (if obtainable) from prior superiors, colleagues and subordinates are also part of the definition - as you want to see how a person relates to others, collaborates, presents, etc. And finally the definition has to include personal chemistry -- during interviews, you need to feel that the person will work well with you and your team and that the candidate will bring in a new and fresh perspective that can help increase the overall creativity and productivity of the team.
Unfortunately, it would be impossible to objectively rate people and rank them from best to worst on the definition I have just stated. There is a lot of subjectiveness associated with the definition. At some level I do believe that color, sex, etc should be taken into consideration if for no other reason that the mere fact that the customer is not all white males. if you do not have input at all levels from employees that may be able to connect with particular consumer groups, you may indeed lose them. I think this is what is meant - in part - by diversity of ideas.
Anyway, my point is that one should look for the best person to fill a need - and if you have a team of all white males on your marketing team (as an example) then the need IS to get non-white and non-males on the team. Otherwise you will find out how quickly you lose touch with groups of customers.
Well, sure, but what is the definition of best. I think that degrees are a small part of the definition -- you do want to know that they have at least learned the subject. Experience is also part of the definition -- you want to see steady progression in various companies that shows continued motivation and recognition. Accomplishments are also part of the definition -- results matter! Feedback (if obtainable) from prior superiors, colleagues and subordinates are also part of the definition - as you want to see how a person relates to others, collaborates, presents, etc. And finally the definition has to include personal chemistry -- during interviews, you need to feel that the person will work well with you and your team and that the candidate will bring in a new and fresh perspective that can help increase the overall creativity and productivity of the team.
Unfortunately, it would be impossible to objectively rate people and rank them from best to worst on the definition I have just stated. There is a lot of subjectiveness associated with the definition. At some level I do believe that color, sex, etc should be taken into consideration if for no other reason that the mere fact that the customer is not all white males. if you do not have input at all levels from employees that may be able to connect with particular consumer groups, you may indeed lose them. I think this is what is meant - in part - by diversity of ideas.
Anyway, my point is that one should look for the best person to fill a need - and if you have a team of all white males on your marketing team (as an example) then the need IS to get non-white and non-males on the team. Otherwise you will find out how quickly you lose touch with groups of customers.
I don't disagree with you, but the problem is that it's quite clear that certain groups aren't given a fair chance to compete in certain areas of employment. When it turns out that the "most qualified" candidate is always a white male (for example), we have to start asking why that is. Is everyone really being judged by the same standard? And it's not an issue that begins with employers. We have to ask whether all groups are getting equal access to the education that many professions require.
So yes, the best person should get the job, but we need to acknowledge that we're not all on an equal playing field to start with. That's what needs to be fixed. I feel like specifically hiring women or minorities is treating the symptom and not the disease.
It is the usual thing of concentrating on white and male (because they are 'bad') and ignoring asian (since it is 'good') despite the fact that whites are unrepresented relative to the US population and asians are massively over represented. Same as when Twitter got blasted for being 54% white.
Its still funny how people parrot what the media says. I don't like trump for the most part but I doubt you can find a single thing that he has said at an event that is actually racist. You will find things you don't agree with that may be pointed at a specific group of people. But when facts back up his assertions it is not racism. It is stating fact. Maybe not in your politically correct media soundbyte world but in the real world it is true.
I completely agree, but your post represents the perfect world which hasn't happened in this lifetime. The Academy Awards is one great example of this.
Two identical resumes submitted. One with a black sounding name, one with a white sounding name. White name gets called in for an interview; black name does not.
The question is which is more common in this country at this time, your hypothetical or mine? We know, with 100% certainty that my hypothetical was more common 100, 75 and even 40 years ago. Can you agree with that?
Things are vastly better in the U.S. from a racial relation perspective. But do you think that your hypothetical is more common than mine now?
Oh please, that's ridiculous. You wouldn't know if you were a token employee or not. Nobody would know that. So according to you, if Apple needed 100 employees in the engineering department and 99 of them were white and the 100th person was black, then that black person must assume they are a token and not just hired because they were qualified. You're using that word token too loosely.
Other than the PGA having one black professional golfer I don't think many corporations are hiring "tokens" much more.
The transgender black Asian gay community is handing out application forms as we speak.
THIS!!!
Anyone claiming that reverse discrimination is commonplace and that racism is a thing of the past needs to read this study before you post anything further.
Your assumption is that they didn't get qualified candidates.
Every time a white person doesn't get a job and loses out to a candidate of another race the assumption is that it's got to be affirmative action.
I have news for you. There are plenty of QUALIFIED people of color, Apple and others have allowed their managers (Good Old Boy Network) to hire people that look like them. This is an effort for them to hire not just people that look like them.
Agreed, and I'll add that I wouldn't want to get a job because I was black or asian or hispanic and will fill a quota or make some demographic tables look better. I want to get my job because I can do it better than all other candidates.
Racist focused hiring has no place in the modern workforce. All of this is just anti-white male and lame excuses. If you get passed over, you should look to improve yourself and keep fighting. Saying your skin color is the reason you didnt get hired is a weak excuse. Today, the only race that can legitimately use that argument are white males. Even the Oscars are attacking white males. White males appear to be the modern social plague these days. Everyone else has every advantage you can imagine.
Can we focus on being equal instead of making certain categories of race or gender a bunch of special snowflakes.