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Since gender is such a fluid thing these days, when are we going to make the switch to race being a matter of personal choice? I may have been born white, but I'm feeling very hispanic inside. I would like to come out of the closet with socially supressed inner hispanic tendencies, but I feel like I have to keep quiet about it . . .

Why not?
 
Agreed, and I'll add that I wouldn't want to get a job because I was black or asian or hispanic and will fill a quota or make some demographic tables look better. I want to get my job because I can do it better than all other candidates.

Racist focused hiring has no place in the modern workforce. All of this is just anti-white male and lame excuses. If you get passed over, you should look to improve yourself and keep fighting. Saying your skin color is the reason you didnt get hired is a weak excuse. Today, the only race that can legitimately use that argument are white males. Even the Oscars are attacking white males. White males appear to be the modern social plague these days. Everyone else has every advantage you can imagine.

Can we focus on being equal instead of making certain categories of race or gender a bunch of special snowflakes.

White privilege talking here?

You just don't get it. The hiring managers pass over candidates because they don't look like them or think like them.
This is not looking for unqualified candidates but the opposite. It's looking for diverse candidates that are QUALIFIED.

I've been passed over for jobs before for a less qualified candidate because that candidate was white or Eastern Indian because they looked like the hiring manager. Get over it real racism in corporate America exists in many forms.

The Oscars and the movie industry are under pressure because those that have the power continually chose people that look like them to the exclusion of others.

Anti-white male? White males are so eff'n used to getting what they want that they have no idea how to compete.
"White privilege is like bad breath. You don't know you have it until someone points it out, and when they do they are the arses."

Good old boy networks, legacies, hiring people that look like them, etc., etc., etc.
Racism is corporate America exists. If it didn't, we would see a proportionate amount of women on boards of companies and in executive rolls. Women graduate at a higher rate from college than men but don't get the executive jobs. In the tech sector black men with qualifications don't get the jobs at the director level and above because the white boy hires his buddy.

Apple, Intel, Broadcom and others have a serious problem with diversity when you walk the halls.
This is aggravated by the fact that previously they only recruited from specific schools that the executives attended.
That list changed slightly but was always MIT, Berkeley, etc.

Anyway, get over it and compete just like everyone else!
 
Two potential employees.

One white one black

White one slightly more suited for the job
"Oh wait we need to be diverse, sorry white".

This is still racism. You're noticing someone's colour/race, when we are meant to ignore all that and take someone for who they are.

Why is this the only sernerio people come up with? As if the other way around doesn't happen more frequently.
 
To be frank... Because before affirmative action WHITE PEOPLE only looked at WHITE PEOPLE when it came to hiring

I could have been black as tar with multiple degrees from Harvard... Yet a white person with no education would have gotten the job because.. He was WHITE! Fact is fact!

The black guy probably would have been a educated janitor though lol

White powerful people had cultural and racial bias when it came to hiring a black man FOR DECADES, I have no sympathy for white who complains about Affirmative action

Great. Way to hold onto a 40-year-old grudge.

How will we make progress if you guys don't progress too?
 
Since gender is such a fluid thing these days, when are we going to make the switch to race being a matter of personal choice? I may have been born white, but I'm feeling very hispanic inside. I would like to come out of the closet with socially supressed inner hispanic tendencies, but I feel like I have to keep quiet about it . . .

Why not?
you've been spending too much time near tumblr lol
 
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I don't see why it matters either way...

Just at a large tech event and the talk of promoting lots of women to the board basically astounds me, promote who ever from where ever based on ability nothing more or less.

Well, the board guides the company. Members are expected to have insight into customers, markets, PR, etc. If all your board members are from a narrow demographic, they probably aren't going to be able to do a good job, regardless of their other qualifications.

Likewise, employees throughout the company make decisions at some level all day long that impact these areas. Again, a narrow demographic will result in a limited perspective which can really hurt a company.

Sure, some PC crap always leaks into these issues, but diversity has a real business benefit.
 
I've always thought this had to happen because racism does exist and people are denied jobs because of their gender or background, and that some companies (like Apple) are trying to offer equally skilled people who would otherwise find it difficult to get employment a chance. But that's because I've seen similar things happen here.

I suppose it's like the difference between feminism and egalitarianism. One recognises that people have different backgrounds that might hinder them, the other disregards that and thinks everyone regardless should be treated the same.

Come to think of it I've done this too. I recently hired a writer from outside of my usual group and a different background because I wanted something more unique.

(I do wonder how many of the "skin colour shouldn't matter" folk are white or unaffected by racism)

Do you acknowledge that everybody harbors some form of prejudice? Against blacks or whites or obese or aged or outré....
 
Your assumption is that they didn't get qualified candidates.

Every time a white person doesn't get a job and loses out to a candidate of another race the assumption is that it's got to be affirmative action.

I have news for you. There are plenty of QUALIFIED people of color, Apple and others have allowed their managers (Good Old Boy Network) to hire people that look like them. This is an effort for them to hire not just people that look like them.
And you're assuming that every person of a race other than white or who is a female is getting their job purely because they are the most qualified. If that does happen to be the case then that is fantastic. But with programs like affirmative action and the calls for Apple to diversify its workforce it's a little hard to believe that somewhere along the way a white male didn't get passed over just so Apple could improve these numbers.
 
You seem to think that was left behind 40 years ago. These issues still happen today.

But they're illegal, aren't they. The sad truth is that humans are prone to prejudice. We're generalizing creatures so it's our nature to categorize based on our experience.

I'd be willing to bet there isn't a single person who isn't prejudiced against some group, be it the liberals or the conservatives or the blacks or the whites or the obese or the gays or the heteros or the aged or the outré, etc.

Best we can do is make such prejudices against the law when it comes to filling openings.
 
To be frank... Because before affirmative action WHITE PEOPLE only looked at WHITE PEOPLE when it came to hiring

I could have been black as tar with multiple degrees from Harvard... Yet a white person with no education would have gotten the job because.. He was WHITE! Fact is fact!

The black guy probably would have been a educated janitor though lol

White powerful people had cultural and racial bias when it came to hiring a black man FOR DECADES, I have no sympathy for white who complains about Affirmative action

It's sad but true though and not just for black, any nonwhite will have a lot less chance of being in critical positions regardless of qualifications. It is still the present, not just the past. It is not everywhere but it is common enough to raise awareness.
 
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Why don't professional sports teams impose this, for the cause of diversity? The answer is obvious, because they want to field the best team possible. Apple also wants to do this so why should Apple care what gender, race, etc. it's employees are? This is a pure PR move and is racist.
 
To be honest, I don't know why someones skin color/genetalia is such a large concern when it comes to employment. All that should matter is that you reach the necessary qualifications. If that means you end up with an all asian, or an all black, or an all white group of employees, so be it. As long as they are doing their work, that is what should matter

The problem is that one's presupposition about a person's race colors how qualifications are perceived.
 
What I am really curious about is whether they are tracking hair color and eye color for "diversity". That is what counts, not skin color or gender.

/sarcasm

Sheesh. What the f$%@ does the color of skin or gender count for? What matters is the person and this racist, artificial emphasis on the color of one's skin is just so 1800s.

Listen to MLK and stop worrying about skin color!
 
I don't see why it matters either way...

Just at a large tech event and the talk of promoting lots of women to the board basically astounds me, promote who ever from where ever based on ability nothing more or less.
If it was that easy we wouldn't have a history of bigotry to look back to in America.
 
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And you're assuming that every person of a race other than white or who is a female is getting their job purely because they are the most qualified. If that does happen to be the case then that is fantastic. But with programs like affirmative action and the calls for Apple to diversify its workforce it's a little hard to believe that somewhere along the way a white male didn't get passed over just so Apple could improve these numbers.
So what if that did happen.

We know for a fact that several white males are still getting jobs over qualified minorities and females on a daily basis.

Either way once the hiring managers in the US are less discriminatory (this is happening with time), the playing field will start to even out and qualifications will be the only judge.
 
Nice, MacRumors. We needed another racist thread because we didn't get enough in the MLK thread.

Slow newsday?

Just wait until MR posts that Apple tolerates or doesn't monitor Cobalt mines where child labor in the Congo is involved.
Cobalt is used in their batteries.

Clearly Apples fault!

Oh! I see they did 14 hours ago, but not enough juice to make the headlines?
 
I dont see how recording detailed race and sex statistics and publishing them in graphs to great delight can ever be considered right. We should be hiring people and not caring what colour their skin is or if their reproductive organs are on the outside or the inside.

I get what they are trying to do but this is the wrong way to go about it.

This is the only way to go about it in the short term. Need to force hiring managers to look that there biases.

Over time this will be become unnecessary, but we as a people are not there yet.
 
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So what if that did happen.

We know for a fact that several white males are still getting jobs over qualified minorities and females on a daily basis.

Either way once the hiring managers in the US are less discriminatory (this is happening with time), the playing field will start to even out and qualifications will be the only judge.
But you're ignoring the fact that hiring a black person, for example, over a white person just to boost some number is also discrimination. Kinda flies in the face of what MLK said, no? Wouldn't that be racism to hire someone and judge them, albeit in a way that helps them, based purely on the color of their skin? Isn't that an insult to that person?
 
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