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Believe it or not, black couples also exist (at a far higher rate than "interracial couples") yet Apple does not like to feature them in ads.

You tell me why that is. I think we all know the reason.

The exclusion of black couples... or black families... or black friends is not "diversity". It's exclusion. Deliberate exclusion.

I think you're worrying about this too much.
 
Want some cheese with that whine? The 17" has gone the way of the DODO,
(Google it):apple:

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I'd be tickled pink, just to have Retina Screens across the MBA line, especially the 11", Apples most amazing Laptop:eek::cool::apple:

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I'd go so far to say,a Retina 11", would outsell the coming 12" Retina MBA;)

YOU sir.... have a nice day.
 
It's funny how you keep ignoring the point. Maybe because you can't defend it. The point is the EXCLUSION of black couples. Address that point and maybe you'll get somewhere.

And guess what? Black couples exist and they are also "awesome" (I really can't believe you even typed that... so corny). And they exist in FAR, FAR, FAR greater numbers than "interracial" couples. Apparently, the only place they don't exist is in Apple's world.

Oh, and by the way, most "interracial" couples are not only black males and white females. Those couplings are a tiny fraction of the "interracial" couples in the real world, yet they are the only ones Apple's features. Like I said, it's become a fetish for somebody at Apple. Where are the white males and asian females (the most common "interracial" coupling in reality)? Or the hispanic males and asian females? We don't see them in Apple's world.

The only time Apple features a mixed couple, they make sure to include a white female. Otherwise, I guess it's not "white enough". It's blatantly racist. Keep ignoring that point though.
Yawn, ok tin foil.
 
It's funny how you keep ignoring the point. Maybe because you can't defend it. The point is the EXCLUSION of black couples. Address that point and maybe you'll get somewhere.

And guess what? Black couples exist and they are also "awesome" (I really can't believe you even typed that... so corny). And they exist in FAR, FAR, FAR greater numbers than "interracial" couples. Apparently, the only place they don't exist is in Apple's world.

Oh, and by the way, most "interracial" couples are not only black males and white females. Those couplings are a tiny fraction of the "interracial" couples in the real world, yet they are the only ones Apple's features. Like I said, it's become a fetish for somebody at Apple. Where are the white males and asian females (the most common "interracial" coupling in reality)? Or the hispanic males and asian females? We don't see them in Apple's world.

The only time Apple features a mixed couple, they make sure to include a white female. Otherwise, I guess it's not "white enough". It's blatantly racist. Keep ignoring that point though.
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Your turn. Show us a white couple in an Apple ad.
 
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Your turn. Show us a white couple in an Apple ad.

Maybe you should start with a black couple. Or was that actually supposed to be an example from that 1992 print ad you posted? More like teenage siblings. Not exactly posing arm in arm, now are they?
 
Tough Guy, you are obviously mentally ill. I, too, looked back at your posts and it seems as if all you do is complain, dislike, or troll. I sincerely hope you get the help that you so obviously need.

Now, can we get back to discussing the possibility that an :apple: ultra-slim 12-inch notebook is reportedly entering production? Thank you.

Actually it's part of a strategy Stormfront have to raise the profile of their "views." It involves making slightly more "subtle" appeals to racism and posting off-topic arguments regarding race.

You'll notice everyone is talking about race now, in a Mac rumors forum, so the strategy is working in some respect.

Like all trolls, Stormfront trolls are best just ignored.
 
Maybe you should start with a black couple. Or was that actually supposed to be an example from that 1992 print ad you posted? More like teenage siblings. Not exactly posing arm in arm, now are they?
Your argument is based on the exclusion of black couples. For this to be valid, you'd need to prove that there are white couples (or others) being shown primarily, in order to prove the intent to exclude black couples. So I'm asking you, how often is Apple showing white couples only?

Since concluded these two must be siblings without any evidence, why do you assume the first couple were not just half-siblings? Or gay guy and best friend? Or guy and adopted sibling?

PS If you bothered to check, the ad was from June 2013. Not that that's relevant.

PSS FYI, I'm not white.

PSSS I think you're simply angry and looking for justification. There's nothing racially offensive about their ads. As a non-white person, I think you make it harder for the rest of us to be taken seriously when a discussion of racism actually matters.
 
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Your argument is based on the exclusion of black couples. For this to be valid, you'd need to prove that there are white couples (or others) being shown primarily, in order to prove the intent to exclude black couples.

Do you understand the term "logical fallacy"? Your above argument boils down to "For a banana to be yellow, an orange must be red." It's a blatant non sequitur and would be laughed out of a 4th grade debate class.

Apple's intent to exclude black couples is self evident... ya know... by the exclusion of black couples.

And are you seriously attempting to argue that Apple doesn't show white couples in its advertising? Really? I mean, seriously? Jesus, man. You are out to lunch. Go to YouTube and type "iPhone ad" and the very first scene is a married white couple in their bedroom.

So I'm asking you, how often is Apple showing white couples only?

Very often. Not that's it's relevant. It's not as if excluding white couples would be something to be proud of, even if they did that (which they don't).

PS If you bothered to check, the ad was from June 2013. Not that that's relevant.

It's called sarcasm.

PSS FYI, I'm not white.

Neither am I. Want a trophy?

PSSS I think you're simply angry and looking for justification. There's nothing racially offensive about their ads. As a non-white person, I think you make it harder for the rest of us to be taken seriously when a discussion of racism actually matters.

Lumping yourself into a pretty broad category there, fella. Only "non-white" people can discuss racism now? Interesting philosophy. You might even say it's an interesting racist philosophy.

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Actually it's part of a strategy Stormfront have to raise the profile of their "views." It involves making slightly more "subtle" appeals to racism and posting off-topic arguments regarding race.

You'll notice everyone is talking about race now, in a Mac rumors forum, so the strategy is working in some respect.

Like all trolls, Stormfront trolls are best just ignored.

Sure does sound like you know a lot about that website. Gee, I wonder why?

Guess I shouldn't be surprised, since you're here defending Apple's racism. Maybe if we exclude African Americans, they'll go away, huh?
 
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Go to YouTube and type "iPhone ad" and the very first scene is a married white couple in their bedroom.
You mean like this one, with a black girl Facetiming with her boyfriend, asking him for a kiss? What's your criteria for being satisfied? Should every ad feature a black couple? How many are necessary? What percentage of couples shown should be black?

You know, just to see if you might have had a small justification for your outrage, I went and actually re-watched all their most recent TV ads on YouTube. Here's what I observed. Couples are only shown a few times at all, one of them being the link I posted above, where it's at least clear it's a relationship. This MacBook Air ad doesn't even indicate this is a couple.

But mostly in the commercials it's individuals of both genders, old and young, of various races, doing various things that have nothing to do with relationships. If anyone is under-represented, it's Indians - I didn't see any. And only one that I could tell was (probably) Latino. There are absolutely no fat people. So I guess fat people have an argument that they are being excluded.

Neither am I. Want a trophy?
Obviously you aren't. I was making clear that I'm not a white person arguing about the lack of perceived racism in Apple ads. But I guess my point flew a mile over your head.

Lumping yourself into a pretty broad category there, fella. Only "non-white" people can discuss racism now? Interesting philosophy. You might even say it's an interesting racist philosophy.
What I'm saying is that there are more important places and times to make a stance or statement against racism. IMHO, this isn't one of them because I don't see any intent. I even made an attempt to see it, and I still couldn't.

But you seem hellbent on manufacturing a case that Apple advertising is racist. By all means, continue screaming into the wind. I can see your mind isn't going to change.
 
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Obviously you aren't. But I guess my point flew a mile over your head.

What I'm saying is that there are more important places and times to make a stance or statement against racism. IMHO, this isn't one of them because I don't see any intent.

But you seem hellbent on manufacturing a case that Apple advertising is racist. By all means, continue screaming into the wind. No one will hear you.

To be honest, I don't even think it's that big of a deal. I do think it is very obvious though and I also think it helps if people understand the motives behind advertising.

Every last detail, no matter how small, is scrutinized and debated in advertising (certainly at this level). Race, age and gender are the key ingredients when major agencies hire models/actors for these ads. Very specific messages are meant to be conveyed in most ads, almost always concerning social status. Companies rarely sell products in advertising; they sell status. Apple is a leader in this category, for better or worse.

Apple's mix of race, gender and status stands out as among the most offensive in advertising, in my opinion. If people disagree with me, that's fine too.

To add a reply to the latest addition of your post; I have no clue where you are trying to go with your nitpicking of the few (very few) ads that show black couples. These are the exceptions that prove the rule.

Argue all you want, but don't play dumb. I just got off youtube and watched ad after ad of white couples and white families. There's an entire "family" ad for iPhone 5s that is positively filled to the brim with white couples and white families (not that there's anything wrong with that, and not that it's relevant at all to Apple's exclusion of black couples and families). You're living on another planet if you're arguing otherwise.

It's very, very, very rare when Apple decides to show a black couple or black family. But I'll applaud them when they do. There's no reason for them to be hidden.
 
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To think... I opened this thread hoping to read an intelligent dialogue over a possibly interesting new product. I should have just kept reading about Ferguson.
 
No idea. Vertical touch screens are still a pretty terrible idea (unless you're standing up and using them very briefly, like a control panel of some kind). And then someone shows the use case of scrolling a window with your hand outstretched to the bottom right corner of the screen- isn't the big multitouch trackpad still better for that?

This.

Touchscreen PCs and laptops are a horrible idea, and customers have voted with their wallets. For real computing we already have the mouse and the trackpad, superior input devices.

I don't think Apple will introduce a bastardized/touch OSX. If the do, add me to the "Apple has lost it's way" crowd.
 
The reason it gets brought up so often is because Apple goes to this particular well over and over and over again. It's not an occasional thing with them. They make a deliberate effort to use black males with caucasian females in an astonishing number of their ads. It's gone way beyond representing reality and has veered into fetish at this point.

Even in group shots, the black males are sandwiched between caucasians. As if even touching another african american is "too black" for Apple. It's pretty vile stuff when you study it. And yes, ad agencies discuss details like that before submitting their work. I know all too well.

No other company is as overtly racist with their advertising as it relates to their refusal to show black couples or black families as Apple. I remember a recent Thanksgiving ad from Apple where they showed a black family having thanksgiving dinner together... wait for it... at a white family's home. That's right, they can't even enjoy Thanksgiving without white people to make them more palatable to uptight, closet racists.

I, along with many others, commented on how ridiculous that ad was. Guess you missed that one while creepily stalking my post history. :p

No, I don't think so! The only one I think I missed was:

Only RICH WHITE MEN buy iPhone 6's ?? Posted By Tough Guy Oct 1, 2014, 11:33 PM
"What NBA team do you play for?"
 
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All Apple need to do is make it as slim & sleek as the VAIO X from a few years ago. The VAIO X series used an Atom CPU in order to make the notebook ridiculously skinny and with Broadwell CPU's, Apple should be able to put a real fanless processor in a skinny notebook easily.

I had the VAIO X and if Apple can make something of a similar size they will have a major smash hit on their hands as it will sell by the boat load, especially if they offer it in different colours as, whether we like it or not, that is what the consumer wants.

A 12" Space Grey/Black MacBook Air would slip into my travel bag very nicely... ;)
 
No, I don't think so! The only one I think I missed was:

Only RICH WHITE MEN buy iPhone 6's ?? Posted By Tough Guy Oct 1, 2014, 11:33 PM
"What NBA team do you play for?"

So you missed that one, yet you posted it? Strong logic fail.

Stalkers gonna stalk. Creep city.
 
So you missed that one, yet you posted it? Strong logic fail.

Stalkers gonna stalk. Creep city.

No, you said:

"I, along with many others, commented on how ridiculous that ad was. Guess you missed that one."

But you didn't comment on that ad... you did, however, comment on another thread titled "Only RICH WHITE MEN buy iPhone 6's ??". And that, yes I did miss. So mea culpa.

Either way - this thread is going nowhere at this point.
 
Actually, the people in Apple ads are always young, shiny, happy, on vacation in nice places, taking photos and hanging out, spend their days on social media twittering or whatever and clearly don't need or have jobs. That is Apple's real message.

BTW, will OSX devices ever come with fingerprint sensors? Would seem at least as useful there as on iOS devices.
 
Actually, the people in Apple ads are always young, shiny, happy, on vacation in nice places, taking photos and hanging out, spend their days on social media twittering or whatever and clearly don't need or have jobs. That is Apple's real message.

BTW, will OSX devices ever come with fingerprint sensors? Would seem at least as useful there as on iOS devices.

That has been a huge request of mine also. Would love TouchID in the Mac. This is one of Apple best technologies and they have so underutilized it.
 
I got the subtle sarcastic undertones but, no thanks.
For a larger screen, I have my desktop; for lifting weights, I have my dumbbells. :p

Nope: Im serious. I had 3 of them. Lugged those babies all over the world. I realize that now people want smaller. But Imagine the power you could tuck into that frame using todays processors, memory and drives.

That would be a machine that could actually replace a desktop workstation with power to spare. I would love one, weight be damned.
 
Nope: Im serious. I had 3 of them. Lugged those babies all over the world. I realize that now people want smaller. But Imagine the power you could tuck into that frame using todays processors, memory and drives.

That would be a machine that could actually replace a desktop workstation with power to spare. I would love one, weight be damned.

Sure, it would be great for many creative professionals who are constantly on the go, I get that.

But we can only guess as to what Apple's long term product strategy includes, and how such a --by current standards-- relatively large screen laptop would fit into their overall plans. There's always a possibility you may eventually get your wish.
 
No, you said:
But you didn't comment on that ad...

Except... I did comment on it.

If you are going to be a creepy stalker, at least be a good one. Now go spend another 30 minutes creeping over all my previous posts and see if you can find it. You must have quite a full social life. LOL.
 
Except... I did comment on it.

If you are going to be a creepy stalker, at least be a good one. Now go spend another 30 minutes creeping over all my previous posts and see if you can find it. You must have quite a full social life. LOL.

Nice try... but nuh-uhhhhh nope ;)
I just don't get your arguments - if you really are a Stormfront troll, as alleged on here... talk about strong logic fail.


How is this 12" notebook going to fit into the rest of the current MBA lineup? I just can't see this co-existing around a 11" MBA, 13" MBA and 13" MBPs. There's likely going to be a shake up in the overall notebook portfolio.

Even though the current MBAs are already pretty svelte, I've been sitting on the fence until this 12" comes out. Portability of the 11", with the the usability of a 13"? As long as it's not too underpowered (a la first-gen MBA), I'm excited!

I wouldn't be shocked if Touch ID is somehow integrated into the touchpad, but not sure about the possibility of a touch-screen display. Now that seems pretty unlikely, unless Apple positions this as a high-end machine (or option).
 
Nice try... but nuh-uhhhhh nope ;)

Stalker fail. You really are bad at this. Go through my posts a 4th time, maybe you'll finally find it. God knows you have the free time. :D

When you're not defending racism, you're failing at being a creepy stalker. Back to stalker school for you, I guess.
 
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