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Apple's Upcoming Low-Cost iPhone Could Launch as Early as March
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I don’t know what your point is. It doesn’t seem to relate much to why Apple abandoned the 4” SE form factor, dead and buried like the 3.5” before it. R.I.P.
But do you not understand how little sense it makes to claim Apple only wants to sell the products that make them the most money, in the face of Apple imminently offering a $400 A13 alternative, right alongside the other A13 iPhones, which are priced at $700, $1,000 and $1,100?
And still, you have no evidence that sales of SE were poor due to Apple not upgrading it. That’s the original claim you made, which caused me to reply in the first place:
You’ve provided no evidence of that. On the contrary, Apple has done the exact opposite. Apple doesn’t need to take 2-3 years to manufacture an excuse in order to justify killing a product. They can simply cancel it, like the 2012 Mac Pro tower, or the 7 lb monstrosity that was the 17” MBP. One year it’s here, the next year, boom—it’s gone... discontinued. No pretextual multi-year period of letting the product stagnate is necessary.
I don’t get why some never want to admit that a lack of demand for small phones is a thing. That most people simply want larger displays. It’s true on iOS, it’s true on Android 🤷♂️
Apple had a choice with this new
lower cost iPhone. They could make a) an SE-sized iPhone, with an A13 and updated internals or b) an iPhone 8 sized iPhone with a much bigger 4.7” display, with an A13 and updated internals. Apple chose the 4.7”, even though the cost of components is going to be higher.
And Apple thinks it can sell. And sell well—very well. As in first year supplier orders in the neighborhood of 30 million units.
In any case, I’ve presented my opinion as clearly as I can, and it doesn’t appear that I’ll be able to persuade you 🙂 I’m not sure I’m persuadable, but who knows...
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You got this all wrong, the upcoming SE 2 isn't aimed at folks who buy the 11 Pro - in fact, Apple will make sure it lacks the features that got you to buy the 11 Pro for obvious reasons.
It's an entry model, it doesn't have fancy features, it's a 3 year-old iPhone with a faster CPU - that's about it.
Also, apart from CPU, improved battery life! Sounds lovely, it's exactly what I desire. An iPhone 8 design that runs and gets updates for several more years, some people will call it old-fashioned thinking, I call it a beautiful idea.
Smaller size, Qualcomm modem, decent ram, screen and battery life for a $400-450 price tag?
I'd consider that phone.
I'd consider that phone.
The 8 is a 2017 model, it's had a very long life on the Apple store shelf. Surely the SE (or whatever it's named) would replace it?
I used someone's SE the other day... and my two thumbs basically covered the entire keyboard. I had such difficulty typing on it. And my thumbs aren't fat!
I know people love the tiny form-factor... but it's certainly not for me anymore.
I owned an iPhone 5S... then I jumped directly to a 6S Plus. I'll never go back!
Yeah but that's the whole point, you can use the SE one-handed!
What good is "one-handed" if it's frustrating to use?!?!
I know, I know... some people love the tiny one-handed phone. I'm not disparaging anyone.
But I have two hands... and I take every advantage of my giant screen!
Besides... I never understood the whole "one-handed" phone concept. Sure... you can hold the phone in one hand... but then you can only touch the screen with one thumb. The side of one thumb, actually. The thumb is not a great input method. It's great for flicking though Instagram... but not much else, IMO.
I don't know about you... but I do much better holding the phone with one hand... and using my more-accurate index finger from my other hand. Point-tap-drag-slide. I can even use two fingers for pinch-and-zoom! Woohoo!
You can't do that with one thumb...
Anyway... I hope I didn't anger the one-handed gods.
I gave in and got a Samsung S10e, about the closest thing to a premium "small" phone available - couldn't be happier with it. Shame it's a neglected segment for Apple who just think people want a cheaper old phone rather than something smaller than an iPad mini which has the current design and specs. Could easily fit a 4.5/4.7" screen in something not much bigger than the current SE.
No longer being able to carry a bag or indeed...anything, while making proper use of your phone is a huge and fundamental step backwards - I don't care what anybody tells me.
So now we have to put everything down and dedicate our entire attention to the damn thing bulging in our pocket, just to send a text message. Stupid stupid stupid.
When are Apple going to realise not everybody wants to spend their days 'consuming' media on their phones.
Still the SE does everything I need perfectly and efficiently - messaging / calls / music / navigation / photos / buying tickets etc.etc. The battery lasts for an eternity and everything runs smoothly.
It's a travesty that they've axed it. I've just purchased 3 of them to keep me going until they hopefully come to their senses.
So now we have to put everything down and dedicate our entire attention to the damn thing bulging in our pocket, just to send a text message. Stupid stupid stupid.
When are Apple going to realise not everybody wants to spend their days 'consuming' media on their phones.
Still the SE does everything I need perfectly and efficiently - messaging / calls / music / navigation / photos / buying tickets etc.etc. The battery lasts for an eternity and everything runs smoothly.
It's a travesty that they've axed it. I've just purchased 3 of them to keep me going until they hopefully come to their senses.
As Apple lean into being a services provider they do want you to consume media on your mobile devices all day long.
It's not great to be in the minority but Apple know what they're doing for their bottom line and Ecosystem.
Only if you grip your phone, if you merely cradle your phone (ie, merely use gravity and friction), you can use the 'front' of your thumb. There are tons of things we do normally only with one hand even if using two hands would add benefits (eg, holding a glass/cup/bottle when drinking). Heck, I can combine holding a glass in one hand and a phone in the other.
Multi-finger gestures are significantly harder to do with one hand. But the index finger vs thumb is a less clear-cut question than you might think. The advantage of using the thumb is that the thumb has a very short connection to the fingers holding the phone which helps a lot with relative accuracy. Think of how accurately you tap two targets with two fingers of one hand (eg, index and middle finger) vs tapping two targets with two fingers from two different hands.
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Bceause, and that's entirely a business logic rather than a humane/common sense one, they have media services to sell you for that fancy iPhone you use on a daily basis, news and games and series. It's all tied together.
MacOtakara - Printed Mock-Up for iPhone 9 (SE2) with Face ID 5.4-inch
IDK how true this is but its nice to compare it against iPhone 7
From what I'm hearing from this forum is that what people want to se a SE Concepts with a totally lineup as in new product.
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Why not have older phone bassin Iphone 8 or seven Model change the screen to body ratio that the nurse or you take Iphone 5 And you just change the screen and the noxious on the phone did Jerry have a fordable phone but it would be a win-win for both sides