Apple's Virtual WWDC Event to Kick Off on June 22

[Emanuel Rodriguez]

You're expecting far too much, too soon. I expect the ARM transition to be in 2021 WWDC not now. If I recall no new hardware was recently announced by Apple for 3 months back then.

Everyone is talking the hype of the hour/week with ARM based workstations ... without really thinking what it must live up to:
heavy productivity apps. They need to work without crashing, throttling of performance not to mention if the OS is based off of iPadOS or iOS there can no longer be the same application in background, or other restrictions. Modern productivity apps or apps as a service via HTML4/5 etc to be restricted.

Xcode, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, etc all need to work with full compatibility and functionality (keystrokes, workflows, etc) and perform better or equal to the same Intel hardware as when it's announced and to when it's shipped.

Virtualization of competing OS' which brought many Windows users to the Mac. Not to mention many corporate executives that feel very at home wth OSX/macOS and use a Mac in a PC/Active Directory/Azure/AWS world.

Safari ... will a future OSX get the full Safari when on ARM or will we get a dumbed down version like we see on iOS/iPadOS ? Will Apple throw-in the towel with Safari like they did of Safari for Windows?

Which developers will Apple court under NDA for months prior to official announcement to really put out their entire BEST effort for a crowd cheering and salivating ovation that ARM based Macs is the proper way forward (like we saw when Jobs was sneaky with the Mac Pro prototype during that WWDC)? I don't see Tim doing such a reveal let alone his personality or carrisma is not really suited for that; yet he could surprise us.


I kind of expect to see Executive staff show off AR on their iPhones/iPads when hosting a specific moment that their on screen. You know what we'll be seeing as crew or drones take video of them. Also Memoji will be heavily used! You can see it in all the notifications about WWDC 2020 from all Apple twitter accounts.

Right now I'm upset at Tim and crew regarding Xcode and Playgrounds for Mac. If Apple does the numbers (Mac's & iPads sold each quarter/year), they'd be able to see with a 10-yr time frame how many of those machines are ...

Still registered to iCloud accounts and actively running a version of OSX (you call it macOS but it's still OSX at the core all the way up).
Have all the security updates provided by Apple and installed.
How many have NOT been returned for recycled, and count the number recycled vs the number still in use.

How can Xcode and Swift Playgrounds not be made available for a 2011 Mac Mini i7/16GB (1333mhz)/512GB system which still manages to score 2100 multi-core on GB v5? Swift is supposed to be more efficient way of coding, in of itself less overhead right?

How many families and children out there can pick up a used Mac mini or MBP from 2008-2012 that potentially could run Swift Playgrounds at the very least so they can learn to code? What about allowing older versions of Xcode to be downloaded from the Mac App Store for the compatible OSX 'High Sierra' in case of the 2011 Mac Mini's ?! Maybe don't allow for coding on newer iOS/OSX/WatchOS etc and not allow them to submit but archive when they CAN afford to purchase a machine that is supported for both Xcode and Swift Playgrounds.

Growing up I've always been on the wrong/poor side of the digital divide ... sure schools had Mac's and PCs then in high school yet after a Vic20 myself as a teen working summers and falls/winters after school part time since Gr 9, could not afford a modern computer each year until long after college. I cannot imagine now just how many kids are so far behind in this era which is much harder than it was in the 80's. That's my gripe because Suzanne at Apple for environmental concerns should be on-top of this ... there should be a program of turning in old hardware that won't get any funds BUT allow those unfortunate souls with desire to succeed to be able to get the lowest end iPad supported to do something. We've seen something this cover-19 horror (Rogers & Apple in Toronto, ON got something) but it shouldn't just be in case of major issues as a way of saving face. It SHOULD be year after year.
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Do you have another Mac you can use for now? Is the 2012 salvageable as it's still capable to run Catalina.

You misunderstand. The ARM transition will not be this year, it will be in 2021 (based on rumors). Developers will need at least a year to get prepared though, and make sure every library and API they need has been updated to compile on macOS for ARM (likely not a big deal for most projects, but still needs to be done and tested, and needs to be ready for the release of the first ARM MacBook, or there won't be any software to run on it, although I expect there will be a compatibility layer to make x86 software work in the interim).

In fact, since Apple relies on a number of open-source projects themselves, they'll have to get those guys on board to port what they need to the platform, before release.

Just as Apple has done in other similar circumstances, it's likely there will be a developer kit released for devs to do this on.

 

[ipedro]

ARM Macs! Pfff!

Clearly the big news is FaceID systems on Macs so they can do memoji!

The lids on Macs are too thin to fit the TrueDepth array. Look at the thickness of your iPhone and realize that the assembly of cameras and projectors that enable Face ID and Animoji/Memoji takes up the entire space from screen to back glass. Now, look at the lid on a MacBookPro. It's no coincidence that the iSight camera on Apple laptops are stuck at 720p.

It would fit in a new iMac and consumer level Apple display but the MacBooks would have to wait for a complete re-working of how Apple acquires your face.

 

[DeepIn2U]

ARM Macs! Pfff!

Clearly the big news is FaceID systems on Macs so they can do memoji!

LOL ... somehow I don't doubt this.

FaceID unlock improvements, they'll highlight with masks. Then, Memoji faced Apple staff that is presenting. Then, later in the year FaceID 2 or 3 for iOS devices able to unlock at wider angles and at any orientation like the 2018/2020 iPads can. Maybe just maybe we'll see FaceID come to the iMac and updated iMac Pro (if it ever gets upgraded).

 

[Tech198]

As much as is sometimes hate the 30 of boredom of business money management and how much Apple made in the last Quauter, i do like those memoji's. (..or whatever there called). (.....even though i wouldn't use them myself)

Things were allot simpler if you just stick to one name only.

 

[Tankmaze]

To watch the WWDC online we need to use the Apple Developer app
and.... it's available for all apple device, but not the mac

and the visuals they are using is facemoji with macbooks which is not available to view WWDC, ironic.

Edit : maybe Apple would stream it on the site so we can watch from safari on mac's.

 

[ct2k7]

Agree 100%.This new image and the announcement a few weeks ago showing the back of a space gray MacBook with the infamous "hello" on the back really seals the deal, at least for me, that WWDC will be about the transition to ARM. The argument that developers use MacBooks just doesn't add up.

Ps: they even look like they have the proportions of the 12 inch MacBook hahaha

This hello?

 

[mazz0]

The lids on Macs are too thin to fit the TrueDepth array. Look at the thickness of your iPhone and realize that the assembly of cameras and projectors that enable Face ID and Animoji/Memoji takes up the entire space from screen to back glass. Now, look at the lid on a MacBookPro. It's no coincidence that the iSight camera on Apple laptops are stuck at 720p.

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It would fit in a new iMac and consumer level Apple display but the MacBooks would have to wait for a complete re-working of how Apple acquires your face.

Camera bulge!!

 

[Val-kyrie]

I’m warming to the idea of Arm computers. My concern is that Apple will leverage the efficiency only to go small, light, and fanless. I’d like to see something relatively powerful in an existing size with an increase in battery life.

I'm so glad AMD is now more than competitive with Intel. Now that Lenovo and Dell are embracing AMD, there will be decent options to Apple's computers, even if it is on the Windows platform. Then again, there is no longer any accessibility software on macOS apart from that which is built in, and that is fairly limited.

 

[deconstruct60]

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Yep, it just strikes me as different this year, they're specifically showing and focusing on one of their products,

And what is different about this year's WWDC? This isn't about tech porn. The major different this year is that NOBODY is going to in the convention center all week. Nobody.

WWDC 2020 will be a substantially a failure this year if Apple doesn't pay attention to the PEOPLE attending. It is not primarily about the fracking laptops. The laptops are something that developers use. The characters in the image are the anchor for the image. Not the tech.

In the more mainstream sessions when Apple presents a topic there is more than a few folks sitting in the audience with their Mac laptop open and looking at the present. Essentially what is pictured in this imagery. Most aren't sitting there not paying attention on their iPhone or playing with AppleTV. The ones that are getting something substantive out the session are paying attention. Laptop to take notes , add some supplementary material , or something constructive ( maybe timeslicing a bit in prep for the Lab in the next session. )

Little substantive development is done for Apple platform software development without a Mac somewhere in the mix. If want to represent basketball players in an image you don't picture them with a hockey stick.

it's usually an abstract pattern like an exploding neon emoji (last year) or scattered 3D OS elements (2018) or people from above (2017) etc.

And being a non physical attending of a virtual conference is not in some sense an "abstract" condition. There is enough "abstract". The conference is 2-3 weeks late. The labs will happen how? If let everyone under the Sun into the conference how much personal interaction time will attendees get with Apple employee in the area where need some help? How are attendees going to exchange info with new people they haven't met before ?

In the previous years, Apple had all of the personal interactions covered. This year they don't. At least not with anything proven effective. If they make he conduit toooo open to interaction they are likely going to get "Zoom bombed" by pranksters who are far more interested in being disruptive then attentive. Locked down to too much as one way conduit and will probably loose valuable feedback.

 

[eddiezus]

Why June 22nd? ugh

 

[deconstruct60]

yes exactly! I said something similar earlier and someone said "because developers use MacBooks"... people really seem to be in denial about an ARM based MacBook.

That is goofy. For the vast majority of developers preparing for a ARM macBook means closely paying attention to what Apple talked about LAST WWDC ( 2019). if have adopted Catalyst and/or SwiftUI , improvements to Metal, adopted to the APFS+system layout changes if had a sloppy footprint, and decoupled from deprecated APIs then that is primarily what needed to do. Even more so for the folks who have adapted to the changes Apple has made over the last 2-3 years to the AppStore deployment mechanisms ( app thinning, late-stage optimizing of code , etc. )

Catalyst is in part removing the 'fork drift' that had developed in the foundation libraries between iOS and MacOS. The kernel level and large portions of the basic elements of the Foundational library are the same. Catalyst is making it "more same".

SwiftUI is mainly about enabling multiple platform app development made more easy. If can span iPadOS and macOS then spanning macOS x86-64 and macOS arm will be even easier. Apple has already told folks almost a year ago they needed to shift to doing projects where there are multiple platform targeting options in the build parameters. If have done ZERO of that kind of work and hand a macOS ARM laptop then not well prepared at all.


If have spent last 1-3 years unwinding from OpenGL (to a layer more Metal aware ) then probably in great shape for the macOS on ARM. Apps eyeball deep in OpenGL stand a decent chance of being in deep manure.


The small subset of developers that may need a long lead time on macOS ARM are driver folks. That too was put on mega alert at WWDC 2019.

I'd expect a hardware preview at WWDC with a Fall release.

If Apple wanted to do a an early access developer box they could do it with a forked AppleTV box. (even more so if upgrade AppleTV box to A14Z ). that wouldn't be a product for sale to the public but would a simple secondary box for folks to work with as opposed to a whole laptop.



As for a general Mac Laptop ARM product, The folks who were telling you it was almost locked in that it is "coming 2020" are already saying 2021 now.
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/04/23/12-core-arm-macs-2021-report/

Pretty unlikely coming in 2020. After the crap show of the 10.15 release in 2019 Apple really needed to get their stuff together before doing a substantive additional leap. It is pretty unlikely that Apple is going to have a very stable 10.16 x86 version by Fall 2020. Let alone two different ports stable.



If they can release a far more stable 10.16 then can possibly try to rattle the cages with more instability in 10.17. [ not to mention don't have a Mac platform solution for silocon anyway. ] What they have could make their one port wonder MacBook work. That isn't really sufficient for a major portion of the lineup. Sufficient isn't about single core , drag racing benchmarks. Or stripping down to the most minimal ports.

 

[Falhófnir]

And what is different about this year's WWDC? This isn't about tech porn. The major different this year is that NOBODY is going to in the convention center all week. Nobody.

WWDC 2020 will be a substantially a failure this year if Apple doesn't pay attention to the PEOPLE attending. It is not primarily about the fracking laptops. The laptops are something that developers use. The characters in the image are the anchor for the image. Not the tech.

In the more mainstream sessions when Apple presents a topic there is more than a few folks sitting in the audience with their Mac laptop open and looking at the present. Essentially what is pictured in this imagery. Most aren't sitting there not paying attention on their iPhone or playing with AppleTV. The ones that are getting something substantive out the session are paying attention. Laptop to take notes , add some supplementary material , or something constructive ( maybe timeslicing a bit in prep for the Lab in the next session. )

Little substantive development is done for Apple platform software development without a Mac somewhere in the mix. If want to represent basketball players in an image you don't picture them with a hockey stick.



And being a non physical attending of a virtual conference is not in some sense an "abstract" condition. There is enough "abstract". The conference is 2-3 weeks late. The labs will happen how? If let everyone under the Sun into the conference how much personal interaction time will attendees get with Apple employee in the area where need some help? How are attendees going to exchange info with new people they haven't met before ?

In the previous years, Apple had all of the personal interactions covered. This year they don't. At least not with anything proven effective. If they make he conduit toooo open to interaction they are likely going to get "Zoom bombed" by pranksters who are far more interested in being disruptive then attentive. Locked down to too much as one way conduit and will probably loose valuable feedback.

Chill lol, you're taking this waaaay too seriously! Just a bit of fun speculation to pass the time we all have too much of currently.

 

[ct2k7]

Chill lol, you're taking this waaaay too seriously! Just a bit of fun speculation to pass the time we all have too much of currently.

You did suggest it.

 

[MacBH928]

I'm hoping for an ARM transition reveal. If it's going to happen in 2021, they'll want to get it out early so that devs can be prepared (I believe they did something similar for the PowerPC-Intel transition).

EDIT: They did
https://www.cultofmac.com/484394/apple-intel-over-powerpc/

Why you make it sound as if moving to ARM is imminent?

 

[Emanuel Rodriguez]

Why you make it sound as if moving to ARM is imminent?

Because you didn't read my post correctly. 2021 is next year.

 

[supremedesigner]

I decided to do web inspector of apple WWDC website and saw this which was really cool! See screenshot attach.

One thing I noticed on all memoji - all of their stickers "WWDC" and "2020" are on the top right corner of their laptop. Nothing on other side.

 

[supremedesigner]

One more thing I noticed of all is this girl have hearing aid. #Accessibility #HearingAid or #CochlearImplant

 

[Austin Chow]

ARM Macs! Pfff!

Clearly the big news is FaceID systems on Macs so they can do memoji!

Can't wait for Memoji on Macs!!!! It'll be the news and innovation of the decade!!!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Just imagine all the possibility of "self expression" you can get with slapping memoji stickers onto word documents, powerpoints etc
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The Macbooks in the official WWDC20 poster/ad/invitation clearly hints that there is gonna be some big news on the Mac (i.e. that would be ARM transition).

Think about it, Apple has just refreshed most of their Macbooks (Air, 13" Pro (and the 16" Pro was just released in Nov last year, so its too soon for a refresh), so the hint in the poster must signal the ARM transition (or perhaps it may mean significant iMac redesign)
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14" MBP no chance....but airtags , homepod mini maybe, and high probability the new imacs

I'm quite certain redesigned iMacs will be unveiled. The fact that there is a Mac in the poster/ad/invitation (and no other Apple products) hints that Apple has something related to the Mac up its sleeves.

 

[MacBH928]

Because you didn't read my post correctly. 2021 is next year.

no I did, but you seemed so sure the jump to ARM is going to happen by next year. Apple might never jump to ARM, its all speculations and rumors up until now.

 

[Emanuel Rodriguez]

no I did, but you seemed so sure the jump to ARM is going to happen by next year. Apple might never jump to ARM, its all speculations and rumors up until now.

The rumors are strong, and again, re-read my post.

I said "if". "if", means there's a degree of uncertainty.

Also, you're changing what you claimed I was arguing. You said I said the release was imminent, which I never said (2021 is next year). Now you said I sounded certain, which doesn't work either because I used "if". Any other creative readings?

 

[deconstruct60]

no I did, but you seemed so sure the jump to ARM is going to happen by next year. Apple might never jump to ARM, its all speculations and rumors up until now.

I think there is a substantive difference between Apple doing some kind of "Big Bang" transition to ARM (e.g., in 12 months like with PPC -> x86 transition) and Apple perhaps resigning to the trade off of having a split platform for macOS.

It might boil down to Apple's desire to have the most recent MacBook revived as a focus of development versus letting it stay 'retired'. For a one port wonder system what Apple has is probably pretty close to sufficient. ( A-14x or some variant of that with a limited bump in size to that baseline 'X' implementation.) The impetus for the whole "butterfly keyboard" was kicked off by chasing that thinnest of thin MacBook "holy grail". Apple took for years to get off that thinner keyboard. There is a pretty decent chance they would like to go back to that thinnest of thin MacBook reluctantly with a thicker keyboard but would need more trade-off elsewhere to keep the power consumption down. That basically opens the door for a sibling of the iPad Pro (another one port wonder ). There is little to indicate that Apple does not believe in the one port wonder.

Both AMD and Intel don't really have "Mac good" like solutions for that. Microsoft just did their Go 2 and the baseline CPU package there is something I highly doubt Apple would every touch. However, stuff like Go 2 and Chromebooks are kick iPad butt in more than a few markets. Apple is missing something that the old iBook was trying to do (relative to the rest of the Mac line up... not the exact same price points. ).

 

[MacBH928]

I think there is a substantive difference between Apple doing some kind of "Big Bang" transition to ARM (e.g., in 12 months like with PPC -> x86 transition) and Apple perhaps resigning to the trade off of having a split platform for macOS.

This never happened in computer history, same OS but 2 different CPU architecture? So each developer will have to build 2 versions of each of their apps?

Don't get me wrong, if Apple can make ARM processor computers that run just as fast as Intel's CPU that is always cool with no fans I am up for it, but I rather have a full fledged computer running all powerful software over a crippled iOS like MacOS just to keep the fans quite.

 

[omenatarhuri]

Pretty unlikely Apple will be using anything like Zoom.

Lol, yeah I know, it was a joke. I've attended virtually for a number of years (that is, checked out the videos online) and they've had really awesome quality already. Great conference.

 

[snek]

Expecting more walls around macOS, after the notarization ******** I guess we should be glad if we can run non Tim approved apps at all in a few years. Pissing on developers and open source community seems to be the current trend. Soon there only will be mega-corps that have the energy to deal with Apples ********. I wish there was a decent alternative to macOS that I could get excited about… :/