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I strongly doubt we’ll get a 14” pro only 1 month after a new 13” more likely to be October/November if it’s coming at all this year

Recent MBP refresh feels like the last 15" refresh: an interim stopgap with a few updated components/configurations, but little else. I reckon another update is slated for the fall.
 
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I just ordered a new 2020 13" MacBook Pro. If they are replacing Macs with new versions/14" versions, I'd be so pissed!
 
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I just ordered a new 2020 13" MacBook Pro. If they are replacing Macs with new versions/14" versions, I'd be so pissed!
I’m waiting for the Back to School Deal in July for University in September. If there isn’t any solid rumours by then for a 14” before October I’ll buy in July
 
I'm expecting a new Apple TV for sure. I'm surprised it has taken so long to announce it.
 
I'm expecting a new Apple TV for sure. I'm surprised it has taken so long to announce it.
I've love an Apple TV update, but it's a poor fit for WWDC, unless it has some aspect that's particularly compelling to developers. If they roll it into this, it'll only be because the spring schedule has been so jumbled.
 
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That keynote's gonna be weeeird without all the frenzied hollering.
I wonder if it will still be done on stage - probably in the Steve Jobs theatre - with the usual slide presentation, or be more informal like the iPad magic keyboard demo Craig Federighi did in the main Apple Park building?
 
It'd be nice to hear the announcement of the MacBook Pro 16" with the mini-LED display. I do not expect an ARM based MacBook until 2021.
 
my hope is that they know OS X for intel is withering and will rewrite it for ARM and it will be nicer and bug free. Crossing my fingers.
Not that they’d need to rewrite it, as others have covered, but I have some bad news regarding what tends to happen when you “rewrite” software. There’s a reason why it’s seldom done and especially so for complex projects like, say, an operating system.
 
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Not that they’d need to rewrite it, as others have covered, but I have some bad news regarding what tends to happen when you “rewrite” software. There’s a reason why it’s seldom done and especially so for complex projects like, say, an operating system.
Gotcha. I am literally imagining any scenario where Apple would be okay leaving their OS in this kind of shape for so long
 
That sounds to me like the overture to an ARM transition.
I know the over-analysing of the invites has become a cliché now, but it's notable that it's 3 people with 3 MacBooks, not one with an iPhone, one with an iPad and one with a Mac, think that's perhaps telling on what the focus will be :)
 
I know the over-analysing of the invites has become a cliché now, but it's notable that it's 3 people with 3 MacBooks, not one with an iPhone, one with an iPad and one with a Mac, think that's perhaps telling on what the focus will be :)

Considering most developers use a MBP, it’s not.
 
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I know the over-analysing of the invites has become a cliché now, but it's notable that it's 3 people with 3 MacBooks, not one with an iPhone, one with an iPad and one with a Mac, think that's perhaps telling on what the focus will be :)
yes exactly! I said something similar earlier and someone said "because developers use MacBooks"... people really seem to be in denial about an ARM based MacBook. I'd expect a hardware preview at WWDC with a Fall release.
 
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yes exactly! I said something similar earlier and someone said "because developers use MacBooks"... people really seem to be in denial about an ARM based MacBook. I'd expect a hardware preview at WWDC with a Fall release.

I think all we are saying is not to read too much into the imagery. It’s a developer event and most use a Mac to develop on.
 
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Considering most developers use a MBP, it’s not.
A possible explanation, but very coincidental that this is likely to be where they kick off the Mac transition, and they've chosen out of literally anything - from abstract patterns to a simple Apple logo and text - to show people sat in front of MacBooks? It seems different from previous years where they've just had an Apple logo and WWDC written with abstract patterns etc - this year they are explicitly showing one of their products in particular.
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yes exactly! I said something similar earlier and someone said "because developers use MacBooks"... people really seem to be in denial about an ARM based MacBook. I'd expect a hardware preview at WWDC with a Fall release.
Yep, it just strikes me as different this year, they're specifically showing and focusing on one of their products, it's usually an abstract pattern like an exploding neon emoji (last year) or scattered 3D OS elements (2018) or people from above (2017) etc.
 
For me it seems that there is nothing more Important than new Animoji, emojis, new effects in iMessage and that nonsense stuff...
Well, it’s about the audience and who is defined as the majority of Mac users now. Who is a Mac user today is generally an iPad and iPhone user first. On top of that, they were kids, babies or in the womb. Heck, some of the developers who are working at Apple today were likely 10 years old or younger when the iPhone launched. So their influence is impacting the direction of the company’s products, software and services.
 
A possible explanation, but very coincidental that this is likely to be where they kick off the Mac transition, and they've chosen out of literally anything - from abstract patterns to a simple Apple logo and text - to show people sat in front of MacBooks? It seems different from previous years where they've just had an Apple logo and WWDC written with abstract patterns etc - this year they are explicitly showing one of their products in particular.
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Yep, it just strikes me as different this year, they're specifically showing and focusing on one of their products, it's usually an abstract pattern like an exploding neon emoji (last year) or scattered 3D OS elements (2018) or people from above (2017) etc.
Agree 100%.This new image and the announcement a few weeks ago showing the back of a space gray MacBook with the infamous "hello" on the back really seals the deal, at least for me, that WWDC will be about the transition to ARM. The argument that developers use MacBooks just doesn't add up.

Ps: they even look like they have the proportions of the 12 inch MacBook hahaha
 
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That keynote's gonna be weeeird without all the frenzied hollering.

It will likely not be a stage based keynote at all. It will most probably be a produced video around Apple Park with segments revealing and demoing the products and OS updates, interspersed with ads for each.

Very much like Craig’s video revealing the mouse & trackpad support and the iPad Pro’s Magic Keyboard.

 
I wonder if it will still be done on stage - probably in the Steve Jobs theatre - with the usual slide presentation, or be more informal like the iPad magic keyboard demo Craig Federighi did in the main Apple Park building?
I wonder if the top level executives are allowed to gather in the same place - even with social distancing - for fear that one sick one (or a sick stage hand) could take down the whole group.
 
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I was hoping to still be on quarantine for WWDC, that way I could attend virtually without have to take off from work! But with it starting on June 22 I do know about that!
 
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I'm hoping for an ARM transition reveal. If it's going to happen in 2021, they'll want to get it out early so that devs can be prepared (I believe they did something similar for the PowerPC-Intel transition).

EDIT: They did
https://www.cultofmac.com/484394/apple-intel-over-powerpc/

You're expecting far too much, too soon. I expect the ARM transition to be in 2021 WWDC not now. If I recall no new hardware was recently announced by Apple for 3 months back then.

Everyone is talking the hype of the hour/week with ARM based workstations ... without really thinking what it must live up to:
heavy productivity apps. They need to work without crashing, throttling of performance not to mention if the OS is based off of iPadOS or iOS there can no longer be the same application in background, or other restrictions. Modern productivity apps or apps as a service via HTML4/5 etc to be restricted.

Xcode, Final Cut Pro, Logic Pro, etc all need to work with full compatibility and functionality (keystrokes, workflows, etc) and perform better or equal to the same Intel hardware as when it's announced and to when it's shipped.

Virtualization of competing OS' which brought many Windows users to the Mac. Not to mention many corporate executives that feel very at home wth OSX/macOS and use a Mac in a PC/Active Directory/Azure/AWS world.

Safari ... will a future OSX get the full Safari when on ARM or will we get a dumbed down version like we see on iOS/iPadOS ? Will Apple throw-in the towel with Safari like they did of Safari for Windows?

Which developers will Apple court under NDA for months prior to official announcement to really put out their entire BEST effort for a crowd cheering and salivating ovation that ARM based Macs is the proper way forward (like we saw when Jobs was sneaky with the Mac Pro prototype during that WWDC)? I don't see Tim doing such a reveal let alone his personality or carrisma is not really suited for that; yet he could surprise us.


I kind of expect to see Executive staff show off AR on their iPhones/iPads when hosting a specific moment that their on screen. You know what we'll be seeing as crew or drones take video of them. Also Memoji will be heavily used! You can see it in all the notifications about WWDC 2020 from all Apple twitter accounts.

Right now I'm upset at Tim and crew regarding Xcode and Playgrounds for Mac. If Apple does the numbers (Mac's & iPads sold each quarter/year), they'd be able to see with a 10-yr time frame how many of those machines are ...

Still registered to iCloud accounts and actively running a version of OSX (you call it macOS but it's still OSX at the core all the way up).
Have all the security updates provided by Apple and installed.
How many have NOT been returned for recycled, and count the number recycled vs the number still in use.

How can Xcode and Swift Playgrounds not be made available for a 2011 Mac Mini i7/16GB (1333mhz)/512GB system which still manages to score 2100 multi-core on GB v5? Swift is supposed to be more efficient way of coding, in of itself less overhead right?

How many families and children out there can pick up a used Mac mini or MBP from 2008-2012 that potentially could run Swift Playgrounds at the very least so they can learn to code? What about allowing older versions of Xcode to be downloaded from the Mac App Store for the compatible OSX 'High Sierra' in case of the 2011 Mac Mini's ?! Maybe don't allow for coding on newer iOS/OSX/WatchOS etc and not allow them to submit but archive when they CAN afford to purchase a machine that is supported for both Xcode and Swift Playgrounds.

Growing up I've always been on the wrong/poor side of the digital divide ... sure schools had Mac's and PCs then in high school yet after a Vic20 myself as a teen working summers and falls/winters after school part time since Gr 9, could not afford a modern computer each year until long after college. I cannot imagine now just how many kids are so far behind in this era which is much harder than it was in the 80's. That's my gripe because Suzanne at Apple for environmental concerns should be on-top of this ... there should be a program of turning in old hardware that won't get any funds BUT allow those unfortunate souls with desire to succeed to be able to get the lowest end iPad supported to do something. We've seen something this cover-19 horror (Rogers & Apple in Toronto, ON got something) but it shouldn't just be in case of major issues as a way of saving face. It SHOULD be year after year.
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New iMac I hope, my 2012 27 inch died last week! :apple:

Do you have another Mac you can use for now? Is the 2012 salvageable as it's still capable to run Catalina.
 
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