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Spin, spin, spin

spinning would require someone to know the whole story then say otherwise..

nobody is spinning anything here.. they're disagreeing with you and/or offering alternative interpretations to your own of what may be the reasons behind this particular rumor.

you can start playing the fanboi card all you like but that doesn't make it so.
 
Again, believe what you will. This horse is beat to death.

So I'll just give: it's wonderful that Apple is apparently pulling talent off of iOS development to help with OS X. Terrific. Exactly what they should do. I so look forward to an incarnation of iOS where it had less than the planned amount of talent focused on it. I'm sure that will be exactly perfect for all of us consumers who use it.
 
I so look forward to an incarnation of iOS where it had less than the planned amount of talent focused on it. I'm sure that will be exactly perfect for all of us consumers who use it.

nah.. don't worry. i'm sure if they had more than the planned amount of talent focused on it, it would still be gripeFest2014
 
Everyone, read the original 9to5mac report please.
"Apple allegedly has been moving iOS user interface developers to the OS X teams in order to finish up the new design in time for early June conference. " is a misunderstood of "Apple has also been allocating iOS user interface resources to OS X teams in order to finish up the new OS X design in time for WWDC."

The original meaning is NOT Apple trying to move iOS user interface designers to work on OS X, but to let OS X design team directly use the resource files (glyphs and other graphics work) which are already done for iOS to speed up the development process of OS X. Although I am not a big fan of this flat madness, this makes perfect sense for aesthetics parity Jony's working on.
 
It's a good move. iOS has gotten a lot of attention. OS X is fine, but Apple does the ping pong with their devs to keep the same tight crew working on both at different times.
 
Originally Posted by HobeSoundDarryl

Bring a few iOS apps and features to OS X but don't put iOS-X out as a unifying product for the toys and the power computers. If anything, try to do a bit more the other way- bring a bit more of OS X to iOS. I can't tell you how often the lack of a filesystem aggravates me in iOS use. And the other day, I was in a situation where 2 side-by-side windows running different apps would have been ideal and I instead had to flip back & forth over and over to get something trivial done.[/QUOTE]

I agree
 
But then your family will only buy one iPad? :D

If you force someone to buy more than one item of your product due to such a trivial thing that seems an obvious requirement for many, then all you'll end up with is frustrated customers who look at that $200 cheaper laptop in the ad that can do just that and wonder what the hell went wrong there.

Add more limitations of iOS to that and repeated business may over time go back as competitors (read: Google) play catch-up.
It's dangerous to think that Apple NATURALLY is better and more successful.

I'm not even saying this would slow down Apple's business significantly, but why add this frustration? If people are happy with a device and want to use it more often, naturally they will maybe buy more than one anyways.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
Wwdc

Lets hope they move on the iWorks and iLife updates as well as new models of the iMac.:confused:
 
I'm glad. I actually get more excited for OSX updates than iOS. I just hope this update is more than just superficial UI

The new annual release cycle has show most updates are cosmetic and some under the hood improvements. These updates are what we used to get with like a .5 update years back.

I just have not loved that Apple is dumming everything down to IOS levels (iWork, iLife, even Final Cut to a point...) As much as they say they are keeping things separate, that distinction is not showing imo.

As awful as Win8 is, for the first time ever, I feel like MS is actually the innovator right now. Which is a bit scary. Awful implementation, but I still think they've done what Apple should have done and could have done perfectly. Someday it will happen with IOS and OSX... the market is pushing that reality.... but either do it, or stop slapping IOS substandard stuff on osx and osx apps.

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If you force someone to buy more than one item of your product due to such a trivial thing that seems an obvious requirement for many, then all you'll end up with is frustrated customers who look at that $200 cheaper laptop in the ad that can do just that and wonder what the hell went wrong there.

Add more limitations of iOS to that and repeated business may over time go back as competitors (read: Google) play catch-up.
It's dangerous to think that Apple NATURALLY is better and more successful.

I'm not even saying this would slow down Apple's business significantly, but why add this frustration? If people are happy with a device and want to use it more often, naturally they will maybe buy more than one anyways.

Glassed Silver:mac

You are hitting the nail on the head. And this is actually already happening. The mac declined for the first time.
Marketshare of tablets is a far cry from a few years ago...

IOS defectors increase each year.... (I am a guilty party) because IOS limits the user too much, and hardware options (there really aren't any for iPhone except old models) do not exist (yet). Lots of people love the iPhone nano (your iPhone 5S is the size of most entry level Android devices now) but many don't. Why not have 3 options?

Multiple user accounts really would not slow sales. Most people want their own tablet, but how many families will buy a tablet for every child they have at certain ages?
OR... kid's tablet is at home, mom's iPad is on hand, but she doesn't want kid messing up her stuff. That's where most people need multiple user accounts.

And for the love of god, a bloody file system!!!!!!!!!!! It is really the only major thing missing that makes people want to jail break. When it comes to productivity, Android devices usually ship with a stock system now in the custom skin for the device.

The latest commercial for a Samsung tablet where the two people are doing a video conference with their boss rings very true. One can look at the spreadsheet and conference, one cannot. iPads need this level of multitasking.
 
because apparently A-level talent isn't doing all they can to try to work for Apple

Why would they? Maybe things have changed now that Jobs is gone, but the general image of what kind of cr@p one needs to put up with when working at AAPL doesn't sound like anything that one would automatically aspire for. Working for anal-retentive designers who have a passion for putting form over function is hardly something that a top notch engineer dreams about, I would imagine.
 
it can.. i wish it would and i'm not saying it shouldn't.

the original post i responded to was that apple themselves should buy solidworks and make it run on mac..

it doesn't make much sense (at all) and all of the current solidworks users would suffer from it..

where's the gain to be had by apple, dassault, or the solidworks user base if apple were to purchase solidworks?

if dassault decided to port to mac, apple would help them and encourage them etc.. they do this for a lot of software already.. but i just see no reason at all for them, or anyone else involved, to have apple take over the development.

again, the original question i asked about this-- "why should apple buy solidworks?"

I honestly don't care if they do or don't buy it. I just wish it was designed to work on a Mac and not just 'ported'. SolidWorks is a great application for Windows and I enjoyed my time using it when I worked at a manufacturing facility. Granted, I was the IT person there, but I did fiddle around with it on my 'slow' time. I also liked their collaboration system but we never used it as each engineer was dedicated to one project.
 
I honestly don't care if they do or don't buy it. I just wish it was designed to work on a Mac and not just 'ported'. SolidWorks is a great application for Windows and I enjoyed my time using it when I worked at a manufacturing facility. Granted, I was the IT person there, but I did fiddle around with it on my 'slow' time. I also liked their collaboration system but we never used it as each engineer was dedicated to one project.

have you checked out rhino for mac yet?

http://www.rhino3d.com/mac

not solidworks but great software nonetheless. even though it's not officially released yet, I've been using it as my main design tool for a couple of years now.
 
Looking forward to seeing what look they go with. I guess that also means we'll see an update for iMessage so it's in line with the iOS version. That's always one thing that has bugged me!
 
Hopefully if the new Mac OS X's redesign isn't as radical as iOS 7's and Jony has (hopefully) grown as a UI designer, maybe iOS 8 or future iOS updates might end up looking more like Mac OS X (if the new design is more aesthetically pleasing) with a more refined UI.
 
have you checked out rhino for mac yet?

http://www.rhino3d.com/mac

not solidworks but great software nonetheless. even though it's not officially released yet, I've been using it as my main design tool for a couple of years now.

I love Rhino too. Unfortunately, the Mac version is terrible: it's so slow that I find it un-usable, while the Windows version, on the same hardware, works very nicely. I hope the Mac version gets a bit more attention...

There's a Rhino viewer for iOS.
 
I love Rhino too. Unfortunately, the Mac version is terrible: it's so slow that I find it un-usable, while the Windows version, on the same hardware, works very nicely. I hope the Mac version gets a bit more attention...

There's a Rhino viewer for iOS.

hmm.. i use it for average sized architectural plans containing complex surfacing/shapes and have no speed issues at all in that type of setting..

mcneel is very open to hear/analyze problems that you're describing so instead of spouting out "it's terrible -- unusable -- etc" at some random forum, you'd be better off engaging the developers.. if you have a model which performs poorly on mac and great on windows then they want to see it.. they can't fix a problem that they're not aware of.

go to the forum or email them directly.. both of the links are available through the earlier one i posted.
 
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