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Apple's WWDC 2014 to Focus on OS X 10.10 as Apple Pulls Resources from iOS 8 to Help
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VERY TRUE.
Lion was the worst release in a long time. Mountain Lion was better, but still felt incomplete. Mavericks seems to be the completed version of what was planned for Lion.
As far as 10.10 goes, I don't have a problem with the redesign. However I do greatly care about functionality. When iOS 7 was release, the Calendar app was destroyed (although now fixed) and the Music app was completely mutilated (And still is....namely the lack of Album organization). iOS 7 also had severe crash problems (tab reloading still is terrible)...it was largely fixed with 7.1, but the initial release was the most unstable iOS since 2.0.
So if Apple was to update the face of OS X that is fine, but the core functionality better remain. The rumors are pointing to this, so hopefully that happens. The only part of the rumors so far that worry me are the overly emphasis on white space. That can be blinding on a 27" desktop.
And I think that is the message they are saying given the 30 years of the Mac interviews and such. Not too worried, but you never know with Apple. iWork, Lion, and Final Cut Pro X were recent examples of software being gutted. They have of course worked on the fixes for all of these, but the initial versions should not have been released when they were.
A good example of a recent redesign that was good was Logic Pro X. Very well done. Speaking of pro apps, is Aperture going to get any love?
Looking forward to the announcements! The month wait countdown has begun!I am sure the rumors, leaks and what have you will be pretty steady all month long leading up to WWDC.
The anticipation will suck. Then they will finally have the announcement putting all the rumors to rest. Then I'll come back here for the oooohhh's and ahhh's, the the disappointments and the WTF! Apple arguments and complaints. etc. etc.
You got the drill!
Exactly. You just proved my point. Hahahah!
A PC is a desktop my friend. WHERE YOU BEEN?!!!!!
hmm. if you're in a production environment and your apps don't work on a particular computer, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't buy one.
regardless.. most developers get their apps working prior to public release of an updated OS.. the remaining problems generally get squashed within a month or two.
no need to be overly dramatic about this stuff.
I guess with the release of the redesigned OS X, Mavericks is going to be the "new Snow Leopard". There will be a lot of people who'll hate the new design to their death, and they'll rather "stick with Mavericks". On the other hand, they still will be the minority, and most people will be happily using the new versions (especially the ones who buy a new computer since you cannot install a former version of OS X onto your Mac than the one it's shipped with).
We'll see what future brings. I'm perfectly happy with Mavericks at this point (on my 2011 MBA I'm not really experiencing any bugs or spinning beachballs like some people here), but I am still curious what they can still implement, even if the first version (as always) won't be perfect and we'll have to wait 1-2 years until everything is smoothed.
We'll see what future brings. I'm perfectly happy with Mavericks at this point (on my 2011 MBA I'm not really experiencing any bugs or spinning beachballs like some people here), but I am still curious what they can still implement, even if the first version (as always) won't be perfect and we'll have to wait 1-2 years until everything is smoothed.
I don't think we need to worry about OS X 10.10 looking too much like iOS 7, because OS X 10.9 doesn't look like iOS 6.
The felt was removed from Game Center and leather removed from Calendar last year. I'm sure it'll be more tweaks like this.
The felt was removed from Game Center and leather removed from Calendar last year. I'm sure it'll be more tweaks like this.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I was responding to a guy who's dream for the next
TV would be "thinner" so it would be easier to pack and take along. That's not my dream. I'm generally anti-thinner in all Apple (next) things because we seemed to have reached a level of thinness where utility tangibles have to come out to make it possible to hit another level of "thinness" (such as superdrive coming out of an iMac so it can have those super thin edges). Why make the iPhone any thinner than the 5s; why not instead keep the "thinness" that it is and fill the bigger case (for bigger screens) with longer-life battery? And so on.Personally, I'd rather have a thicker and bigger
TV as it only sits on an AV shelf anyway. Everything else on that shelf is pretty much AV component sizes (think satt/cable box or Receiver box size) yet I have this one shelf with this tiny puck on it and nothing else. No one ever "oohs" and "aahs" about the small and thin size of the puck- they don't even notice it. It could be the biggest box on the A/V shelf and the experience that does get the "oohs" and "aahs" (what it brings to the TV screen) would be exactly the same. Of course, I'm not saying to make a bigger box of empty space- it should be exactly the size it needs to be; what I am saying is that the chase of the marketing spin of "thin" and "small" doesn't seem to offer any tangible benefit for an immobile device like this one- especially if it comes at the cost of taking utility out to accommodate the shrink...The first gen
TV had analog audio out which is generally needed for "Zone 2" receiver use. Instead, it had to go in pursuit of "thinner" and "smaller" so now I also have a digital-to-analog converter box sitting on that same shelf (2 pieces of hardware instead of one plus extra wires to link them up). I'd much prefer to pack in a bit more utility in a bigger box than continue to chase "thin" for a device that is not meant to be mobile.That said, for the guy wanting to take it with him, releasing the "app" the runs on
TV as a new "front row" for the other iDevices would give him what he wants too (that's all it is- an iOS app running on an iOS hardware platform). And he's already taking a personal mobile iDevice(s) with him when he travels. Go one better and make it so it can connect with the iTunes library running at home so that he has streaming access to everything from wherever he can find an Internet connection (rather than just via the home network- "home sharing" without having to be at home). Why do this? For one, if he has other family or roommates at home, they won't be unhappy that the TV is missing because one person took it on a trip with them.I sometimes feel this chase to thinner will eventually have Apple shipping empty boxes claiming they've made something so thin you can't even see it. What does it do? Nothing, because we couldn't actually put anything in it and make it this (transparently) thin. But thank you for purchase (of an otherwise empty box).
I picture iMac 2022 as being a thunderbolt 9 hub branded as the thinnest & lightest iMac ever, priced about the same as the traditional iMac that used to be an all-in-one computer plus screen. Apple will spin it, "we"ll eat it up and shell out $1X00-$2X00 for what will be thunderbolt hubs delivered by others at about $50 or $100, then shell out the rest of the money to add the screen, graphics card, cpu card, etc as a bunch of external boxes. A few will point out that it's only a hub, be called "trolls" etc by the faithful, etc (business as usual).
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You and me both. I'm very anxious about the future if Apple GUI design since iOS 7 undid Apple's reputation for professional GUI design skill.
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While I agree, we're wishing for a thing that capitalism just doesn't want to do. Snow Leopard likely was a fluke, and a benefit from "iOS 1" development.
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Likely... and unwanted by professionals. It's the "change for the sake of change" consumers who want it, and the arrogant designers of the new look of iOS 7 that want it put on OS X at Apple.
The thing I most don't understand is how Apple's department heads and marketing people think aping the flat look of Windows 8 and Android was a good decision. The lack of differentiation between brands is as bad as the lack of differentiation in the new GUI.
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Only for the intolerably smug.
Yes ... so ?
.and a desktop can run Windows 8 ...
What's your point ?
Maybe you didn't understand my original question.
I wasn't referring to what can run what. it was just generally that Apple wants to get everything in iOS back to the mac, where as I was pointing out MS doesn't have this..
While Windows 8 is known for Surface tablets, it can run on a desktop too... I was just saying that you wouldn't see Microsoft having a tablet only feature, but then bring that feature to the desktop too.
MS has more sense than that. Even though you can argue tiles are part of Windows 8, I was focusing on IF MS has tablet-specific features.
end of discussion.
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I suspect I'm not the only one who's worried about this...
Seriously thou, let's hope they don't go crazy with the bright caramel colors like they did in iOS7 because we all know how well that was received. Another thing that worries me is animations, because I'd prefer to keep them to a minimum, specially the full screen ones iOS7 went crazy with.
Another thing that has me slightly worried is that Apple might undo Jobs' smart decision to separate touch devices and proper computers into two different product families and introduce touch screen support in OSX 10.10. The reason why I'm worried about this is because of who's at the helm of Apple at this moment. Jobs was an idea man who lead the company by feeling while Cook, the current CEO, was hired by Jobs to do the by-the-numbers kind of management of the company.
Now with Windows 8 showing people why Jobs thought laptops-tablet-hybrids were a bad idea I get the feeling Cook might be foolish enough to follow Microsoft and repeat their mistake. The reason why I think he's going to make this mistake is because people have for the last couple of years have been accusing Apple of not being innovative anymore and with the next iPhone (which seems to be following the "phablet" trend), Apple seems to have just caved in and started producing the latest trend, not what they think is the best product.
So yeah... I can't say I'm very optimistic about OSX 10.10 because what I want to see (loads of technical stuff) is basically the exact opposite of what I expect to see.
Seriously thou, let's hope they don't go crazy with the bright caramel colors like they did in iOS7 because we all know how well that was received. Another thing that worries me is animations, because I'd prefer to keep them to a minimum, specially the full screen ones iOS7 went crazy with.
Another thing that has me slightly worried is that Apple might undo Jobs' smart decision to separate touch devices and proper computers into two different product families and introduce touch screen support in OSX 10.10. The reason why I'm worried about this is because of who's at the helm of Apple at this moment. Jobs was an idea man who lead the company by feeling while Cook, the current CEO, was hired by Jobs to do the by-the-numbers kind of management of the company.
Now with Windows 8 showing people why Jobs thought laptops-tablet-hybrids were a bad idea I get the feeling Cook might be foolish enough to follow Microsoft and repeat their mistake. The reason why I think he's going to make this mistake is because people have for the last couple of years have been accusing Apple of not being innovative anymore and with the next iPhone (which seems to be following the "phablet" trend), Apple seems to have just caved in and started producing the latest trend, not what they think is the best product.
So yeah... I can't say I'm very optimistic about OSX 10.10 because what I want to see (loads of technical stuff) is basically the exact opposite of what I expect to see.
On one hand, you complain that OSX has had few updates compared to iOS. Then on the other hand, you complain that mavericks created a ton of problems. You can't have it both ways. The more and bigger the changes (especially if unneeded, like in iOS 7), the more the likelihood of problems caused by those changes. Change for the sake of change is not a benefit to users who actually rely on their technology to function. It's only a benefit to marketing teams who get to promote "NEW!" to make a splash and get attention. It's like the regular changes of packaging design on products at the grocery store to scream for new attention at the consumer that's settled into a regular buying habit.
it can.. i wish it would and i'm not saying it shouldn't.
the original post i responded to was that apple themselves should buy solidworks and make it run on mac..
it doesn't make much sense (at all) and all of the current solidworks users would suffer from it..
where's the gain to be had by apple, dassault, or the solidworks user base if apple were to purchase solidworks?
if dassault decided to port to mac, apple would help them and encourage them etc.. they do this for a lot of software already.. but i just see no reason at all for them, or anyone else involved, to have apple take over the development.
again, the original question i asked about this-- "why should apple buy solidworks?"
Depends on how you mean "unable". iPhone 4 is technically "able" but there's no way in hell I'm downgrading my device performance and GUI to iOS 7.
A design isn't invalidated by being a decade old. In fact, a design is actually VALIDATED by being kept for so long. But you're possibly not an actual usability design expert, and wouldn't understand "design for functionality" vs "design for aesthetics". Most people aren't. That's why most people flock to change for the sake of change, and then mindlessly bash the people who object to it, because the objectors really know what they're talking about, as it's their job to know (being called "whiners" or "afraid of change" by those who want change for no functional reason).
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Wow. Everything about your post just screams "don't listen to my design preferences". Including your user name.
Yes you can. Mountain lion was a nice update. Mavericks only introduced a small amount of new features but created a ton of problems... Which still exists.... Which are lower gpu performance, problems with ram handling, tons of bugs in adobe products which are not adobes problem... Etc all in all little new and for som more problems than good new features.
Your sarcasm aside, how do you quickly acquire new engineers that:
have the requisite skills
know the product
know Apple code style and practices
fit the corporate culture
Where does Apple put them?
And then what do you do with them after the project is done? Lay offs? Who maintains the work they did after they're gone?
A smart company finds quality people and then KEEPS them. A revolving door is bad for product quality and future development. If you have to move around 30 awesome people, instead of wasting time and resources hiring and dumping inexperienced newcomers, it's a better option.
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Personally, I'd like to have a return of "front row" on Macs that allows the mini to be my next
You do realize that Apple TV is a result of the Mac Minis being used as entertainment center boxes, right? It was an obvious market to attack once it was seen how Mac minis were being used. Removing Front Row inconveniences the Mini and solidifies the Apple TV in that use scenario.
i'm not quite clear on what you're saying..
to me, it sounds like your whole gripe is based around the fact that you don't like the look of ios7.
but you're bringing functionality into the discussion which is actually the more important part from a UI pov.. thing is, the UI is better in ios7 and i can do things faster with less steps than previous iterations.
or, are you saying the look and function are both worse than prior versions?
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
I didn't say anything about encouraging a revolving door or NOT keeping quality people. Don't spin it as if I'm encouraging destructive behavior. I'm not. In my experience, this is about the third or fourth time I've heard this same story. Each time is sounds like Apple is understaffed for crunch-time situations… as if Apple is a tiny company without the resources to be sufficiently staffed. It's not.
How does Apple acquire new engineers that covers bullets you listed? Just like any other company acquires talent to do whatever they need. Source them, interview them, hire them. I don't mean do it now- in the middle of this crunch ahead of the big show in June. They should have got sufficient staff in place long ago, maybe after the first incarnation of this scenario or, by learning from that crunch, the second time.
Apple is not a little company any more. It is not cash-starved. It is a HUGE company. Stories like this make me think Apple is still being managed like it's 1998 instead of 2014.
Where does Apple put them? I'm sure Apple can find space for talent just like any other company can find space. Apple could probably do it easier than most companies because they are not cash-pinched and probably everyone with that specific kind of talent would love to work for Apple (even if that meant from home, in temporarily trailers, in tents, in trash cans, whatever
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I wish
TV 4 would come with the horsepower and flexibility of using a mini for the same purpose. I've owned all of them and am still waiting. I also miss some terrific features of even the first-gen TV that were arbitrarily dropped from the iOS-based version. Apple could do this thing so much better… and should.
Apple already has tens of thousands of engineers.. Given the cache earned over the last decade; they may well have sucked all the A level engineers in the area who were available.. There maybe others left in other companies but recruiting them will be expensive and the cultures may not work out. All the cash in the world will not turn the leftover B, C and D level engineers into the rock stars that Apple wants.
key words in this sentence are 'sounds like'.. it's your interpretation and possibly nothing to do with reality.
ie- you read some news blip that people that normally work on iOS throughout the year are putting in some time on osx and your interpretation is that it's some sort of crisis.
i'm pretty sure apple is doing just fine in the amount of employees dept.. they're probably overstaffed in all reality.. i mean, if i go into an apple store, there are way more employees there per sq.ft than any other retail establishment i know.. i assume the same goes for their engineering depts.