wrldwzrd89 said:
Actually... only a spreadsheet. Filemaker is the database.
So....
- iWrite (souped up Text Edit)
- Keynote
- Filemaker
- iCal
only needs a spreadsheet
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Actually... only a spreadsheet. Filemaker is the database.
So....
- iWrite (souped up Text Edit)
- Keynote
- Filemaker
- iCal
only needs a spreadsheet
wdlove said:If Apple developed an office suite, wouldn't they want it all to be Apple based?
Filemaker is a wholly owned Apple subsidiary. So everything would be Apple.
wdlove said:
Filemaker being a wholly owned Subsidiary is responsible for their own profit/loss . So they do have a bit of autonomy but Apple owns every bit of them. Apple does list them under the Applications section here. I think it helps get Filemaker in the door in companies that would be more resistent to an Apple branded product.
download the data summary from this Apple page , and you'll see in the foot notes that Apple includes Filemaker revenue with their "other segments" results.
In fact, a spreadsheet app outside of AppleWorks is all I want to see from Apple, since all the other components are in place, as you said.ChrisH3677 said:
skunk said:
Ahem - nothing ?
Or that it is delayed ? Or that they are behind schedule ? Or that the app it is about is not released yet ? Or whatever !
I don't think that it really tells something.
Doctor Q said:
Doc, you may be right but my experience has proved otherwise. Most people I know who have gotten a Mac also bought Office for the mac. Not that they needed it for home stuff but just in case they MIGHT need it for work. They wanted the "security" of knowing they could still open their windows Office files on their macs.
I really don't know anyone who uses a word processor for personal use not intending it for any business purpose what so ever. I do agree the difference between Appleworks and Office is like iPhoto and Photoshop - I just don't think there is that much differenciation between the two markets where it can make a dent or make it worth while to develop.
I do hope if a new Appleworks comes about, it is more like Office, Office compatible and more open source perhaps.
I find TextEdit perfectly capable for my needs in a word processor, and I don't use it for business.macnews said:
AppleWorks X
Last year I recall reading on some rumor site that Apple had beta-testers working on an WP app called "Document". The article went on to say that Apple had an "Office" suite in the works (sorry) that they were withholding in order to please Microsoft. Now that Office 2004 is out - and some have been sold - maybe it's time for AppleWorks X? (wouldn't iWorks or iOffice be better?)
Years ago Claris had a Mac spreadsheet called "Resolve".
One other thing, it would be great if AW X had some kind of simple graphical web page creation app.
Last year I recall reading on some rumor site that Apple had beta-testers working on an WP app called "Document". The article went on to say that Apple had an "Office" suite in the works (sorry) that they were withholding in order to please Microsoft. Now that Office 2004 is out - and some have been sold - maybe it's time for AppleWorks X? (wouldn't iWorks or iOffice be better?)
Years ago Claris had a Mac spreadsheet called "Resolve".
One other thing, it would be great if AW X had some kind of simple graphical web page creation app.
Having AW X as a part of iLife would be a horrible idea. As others said before, iLife was marketed at Office for the rest of your life.
This is interesting about "completing the suite," though. Mail, Keynote, iCal... If Apple were to package this, I would say cut Filemaker since it's not branded Apple, or maybe morph some its technology like emagic -> GarageBand. I'm wondering, though, if Apple would actually produce a stand-alone spreadsheet application. It would be much more easily 'integratable' if it was all tied up together. Then if they did that, then they would also have to update the 'Paint' app, otherwise I'd be very upset! I've become quite adept at Appleworks Paint!
Then once we have both iLife and the iWorks suites there needs to be some sort of bridge between the two... Could Apple stun us with some sort of all-encompassing infomedia integrating application?
Now that's what I'm talkin' about. When it comes to organizing data, there seems to be no middle ground. Either it's media or a report. I need a 'repedia' application!
-Clive at Five
This is interesting about "completing the suite," though. Mail, Keynote, iCal... If Apple were to package this, I would say cut Filemaker since it's not branded Apple, or maybe morph some its technology like emagic -> GarageBand. I'm wondering, though, if Apple would actually produce a stand-alone spreadsheet application. It would be much more easily 'integratable' if it was all tied up together. Then if they did that, then they would also have to update the 'Paint' app, otherwise I'd be very upset! I've become quite adept at Appleworks Paint!
Then once we have both iLife and the iWorks suites there needs to be some sort of bridge between the two... Could Apple stun us with some sort of all-encompassing infomedia integrating application?
Now that's what I'm talkin' about. When it comes to organizing data, there seems to be no middle ground. Either it's media or a report. I need a 'repedia' application!
-Clive at Five
Cocoa - huh?
I'm not clear on your logic - why would an 'X' imply Cocoa? The existing codebase for AppleWorks is certain to be Carbon, and I doubt they'd redo it from scratch. X would probably mean it's OS X only, and that makes perfect sense - Mac OS 9 is dead. Carbon apps are still perfectly able to be first class citizens - I hope this isn't a case of Carbon prejudice. iTunes is Carbon!
I agree though that a nice Apple made office competitor would be great - ApplWorks has been a bit too long left by the wayside - it's sorely in need of an update! I guess though that Apple need to wait for the right moment so as not to piss off Microsoft too much.
Zaty said:
I'm not clear on your logic - why would an 'X' imply Cocoa? The existing codebase for AppleWorks is certain to be Carbon, and I doubt they'd redo it from scratch. X would probably mean it's OS X only, and that makes perfect sense - Mac OS 9 is dead. Carbon apps are still perfectly able to be first class citizens - I hope this isn't a case of Carbon prejudice. iTunes is Carbon!
I agree though that a nice Apple made office competitor would be great - ApplWorks has been a bit too long left by the wayside - it's sorely in need of an update! I guess though that Apple need to wait for the right moment so as not to piss off Microsoft too much.
I'm a little bit late replying, but...
1) Create a Drawing document.
2) Create a text box.
3) Type some gibberish into it.
4) Go to Format --> Rulers --> Show Rulers.
5) Drag the upside-down-T thingy to the right. This made my gibberish move over.
I can also create tab stops, and my gibberish will behave just like it would in a Word Processing document.
Accessing this functionality may require changing the Ruler Type (under Format --> Rulers --> Ruler Settings...) to Text.
I'll also PM you to make sure you read this, jsalzer.
HTH
WM
edit: Drat, you don't accept PMs. Well, I hope you read this, if it is the solution to your problem.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, I think you can already have fancy rulers (with tabs etc.) for text boxes. Using AW 6.2.9, I was just now able to:jsalzer said:
1) Create a Drawing document.
2) Create a text box.
3) Type some gibberish into it.
4) Go to Format --> Rulers --> Show Rulers.
5) Drag the upside-down-T thingy to the right. This made my gibberish move over.
I can also create tab stops, and my gibberish will behave just like it would in a Word Processing document.
Accessing this functionality may require changing the Ruler Type (under Format --> Rulers --> Ruler Settings...) to Text.
I'll also PM you to make sure you read this, jsalzer.
HTH
WM
edit: Drat, you don't accept PMs. Well, I hope you read this, if it is the solution to your problem.
The X is simply a placeholder for a new version - it happens all the time. Publishers put out details of a new book probably before they even know what the release is called. So there probably is a new version soon, but who knows when.
Apologies if this has been said somewhere else oin this thread - I may have missed it.
Apologies if this has been said somewhere else oin this thread - I may have missed it.
Oh - Hide Main Rulers First
Holy Cow! Just when I thought I knew everything there was to know about CW/AW. Thanks, WM. The reason I've never seen that is because I always have the main rulers (along the top and the sides) showing on the draw documents. When those are showing, you can't get the paragraph guides, etc. for the text boxes.
If, however, you HIDE the main rulers first. Then select "Show Rulers" when your cursor is INSIDE the text box, you get the text ruler.
WOW!
WM - you da man!
John
It's not that I don't allow PM's - I just haven't gone deep enough into my personal settings to set it.
Edit: Hey - My PM's now active. If you have any other brilliant tricks, I'm now available.
Holy Cow! Just when I thought I knew everything there was to know about CW/AW. Thanks, WM. The reason I've never seen that is because I always have the main rulers (along the top and the sides) showing on the draw documents. When those are showing, you can't get the paragraph guides, etc. for the text boxes.
If, however, you HIDE the main rulers first. Then select "Show Rulers" when your cursor is INSIDE the text box, you get the text ruler.
WOW!
WM - you da man!
John
It's not that I don't allow PM's - I just haven't gone deep enough into my personal settings to set it.
Edit: Hey - My PM's now active. If you have any other brilliant tricks, I'm now available.
Yeah. Maybe that's what they should fix...jsalzer said:
Or, like I said, you can go to Format --> Rulers --> Ruler Settings... and change the Type to Text. But that might actually be more work, especially if you use the keyboard shortcut for Hide/Show Rulers.
Thanks. I don't use AW very much anymore, nor do I use drawing documents hardly at all, but I did a project in 8th grade where I had to use a lot of text layout and I probably ended up using tab stops in text boxes (this was back in ClarisWorks 4, BTW). I just got an itch when I read your post, and I had to double-check...I'm also available for programming VCRs.Hey - My PM's now active. If you have any other brilliant tricks, I'm now available.
Glad to help!
WM
Feeling REALLY Dumb
You know - I've never even noticed the "type" before now. My main concern with the Ruler Settings has always been eighths, sixteenths, or thirty-seconds. I can't believe the hundreds of times I've been in that window and never thought to explore the other "type".
Now I really have to hang my head in shame.
Though it does bring to mind another needed fix for CW/AW. The sixteenths have always been uneven (1/16 is not exactly half of 1/8). Part of me thinks that has to be on purpose for some odd only-Apple-knows reason, but I've never understood why.
Before working at a place that has Filemaker, I used the Draw documents extensively for merging student data (at the college level) into form letters, newsletters, etc. Any time I need a quick flyer or poster - it's just the easiest thing in the world to use (and, had I ever noticed the ruler types, it would have been even easier - I've been doing "formataragraph" this whole time.)
I also use it to generate web graphics that I create in Keynote. It's convoluted - but a cheap way for those who don't have a true graphics program. I create the stuff in Keynote (which has the opacity, shadows, etc.), copy the whole slide, paste it into CW's Paint, crop out the part I want, paste it into CW's Draw, and SaveAs a JPEG. It's not graceful, but it does the job.
Anywho - WM - thanks again for shining the light. I'm still really feeling stupid.
John.
You know - I've never even noticed the "type" before now. My main concern with the Ruler Settings has always been eighths, sixteenths, or thirty-seconds. I can't believe the hundreds of times I've been in that window and never thought to explore the other "type".
Now I really have to hang my head in shame.
Though it does bring to mind another needed fix for CW/AW. The sixteenths have always been uneven (1/16 is not exactly half of 1/8). Part of me thinks that has to be on purpose for some odd only-Apple-knows reason, but I've never understood why.
Before working at a place that has Filemaker, I used the Draw documents extensively for merging student data (at the college level) into form letters, newsletters, etc. Any time I need a quick flyer or poster - it's just the easiest thing in the world to use (and, had I ever noticed the ruler types, it would have been even easier - I've been doing "format
aragraph" this whole time.)I also use it to generate web graphics that I create in Keynote. It's convoluted - but a cheap way for those who don't have a true graphics program. I create the stuff in Keynote (which has the opacity, shadows, etc.), copy the whole slide, paste it into CW's Paint, crop out the part I want, paste it into CW's Draw, and SaveAs a JPEG. It's not graceful, but it does the job.
Anywho - WM - thanks again for shining the light. I'm still really feeling stupid.
John.
this could be a brilliant move by apple, well as long as a few things happen. one, it has to be part of ilife and pre-installed on every new mac. two, it has to be perfectly compatible with ms office files and vice-versa, and third, apple has to do some brilliant marketing. why pay a several hundred dollars for ms office, when we'll give you all that software free with a new mac! actually, it would also be very helpful, if apple did a promotion with the new imac and offered some insane limited time discount with the trade in of any current ms office software cd/box.
mrsebastian said:
1) Yes, they should pre-install it to build the user community. It would be nice if the app had a nice plug-ing model and thorough scripting support that would integrate with Automator in Tiger so that the community could contribute free tools and improvements.
2) No one will use it if it won't work with MS Office files.
3) Marketing needs to be good for sure, but I wanted to respond to the price comparison. In realistic terms, Appleworks X would have to compete on price with the student/teacher version of Office. It would have to be $99 or so, maybe $79 to students.
4) I also wouldn't mind if they used openoffice and enhanced it ala StarOffice. Of course, with OpenOffice 2 not due until next year, the best we might hope for is a release soon after Tiger.
weldon said:
1. Agreed. Appleworks should be installed on every Mac shipping. There's no reason not to ship a basic productivity suite nowadays.
2. Blatantly false. If that was true Microsoft Office would be on every Mac. To date it is not. There are thousands of people who simply need a decent word processor and other features that have absolutely no need for MS Office support.
3. No problem Appleworks is already $79 and for edu it's $39.
4. Open Office is an asstastic Microsoft clone. I'd expect a lot better from Apple.
Not only does Apple need a new Appleworks but they need a business level suite as well. I have enough copies of MS Office lying around to know that I want something a bit different, something a bit more expandable. Apple has all the tools to make a sweet suite. Maybe next year we'll be lucky enough to see new Appleworks and a new Apple Office. Forget that Open Office crap. We don't need a Clone of MS Office we need a new way of looking at the productivity suite.
I was using hyperbole on purpose. My point is that the user base for Appleworks won't expand without compatability. It's ironic that it needs to work with Office in order to be a viable alternative to Office.nuckinfutz said:
The current x11 implementation is poor, I agree. I'd like to see them use the opensource codebase for file compatability and then put a kick-ass native OS X interface on it.nuckinfutz said: