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I am seeing this recommendation across the board and I think people are ubserestinating what it takes to just build a search engine. Think of maps as a a search engine for just maps. Apple didn't even get that right. The problem with competing with an already mature search engine is, well, it's already mature. And people are used to it. One does not simply make a search engine and receive worldwide acceptance. Microsoft is learning this currently.

I realise that, which is why I called it unlikely. Google's search engine is huge and it's so well known all over the world, it would take a very long to catch up.
 
Yes and no. If your search is very specific you'll get the results you want. But for more generic searches, Google will put itself on top. And this matters as many people do generic searches as they don't know specifically what they want or how to find it.

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Damnit! Why can't I get this to work? All I want is to get a stupid twitter app so I can talk to my friends about the days trending topics! My iPad is dumb! I'm getting an Android!

...and Google's master plan is revealed.

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Google search is just getting worse and worse in my experience. Almost every search I do has the highest ranked pages trying to sell me something instead of what I was looking for. You have to go further and further into the results to find anything.
 
If this was marketing from Google, they would loose user's trust in that they provide accurate and neutral search results, ranked by page rank and not by subjective internal business interests.
 
Apple need to start up their own search engine. :D

It's not likely but it would be great if they did. I actually hate google these days; all their spying, copying and other crap. Not to mention how much they messed up YouTube. :(

The spying is annoying ONLY because they have to redirect users every time they click a link, spamming the history page with Google redirect links.

And YouTube... Great, now you got me started. THEY'VE DESTROYED YOUTUBE!!! Why can't they just leave my channel layout the **** alone?!?!!

Google+ is also a stupid troll. I disabled it on my old account, but it seems to be impossible to disable on new accounts. I actually enabled it while in beta to try it, and it was even worse then Facebook somehow in terms of spam, but it had better messaging capability.

A minor thing, but I always hate it when it asks for my phone number randomly. No, for the 30th time, no.

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what are you on about. Apple Pages comes up at the top of the first page on Google.

Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't do it anymore if it ever did.
 
Google search is just getting worse and worse in my experience. Almost every search I do has the highest ranked pages trying to sell me something instead of what I was looking for. You have to go further and further into the results to find anything.

Never have had this problem. I guess I just know how to search?
 
I realise that, which is why I called it unlikely. Google's search engine is huge and it's so well known all over the world, it would take a very long to catch up.

Also, and I only just thought of this, apple isn't into giving anything out for free. By this, I mean you must own their products to use any sort of service of theirs. I can't think of any service that will work stand alone outside of iTunes (which exists to get media onto our Idevices). So they would either need to make this new search engine available to everyone who wants to use it, regardless of their hardware or operating system (something quite new for apple), or they would stick with macs and Idevices (which wouldn't be unlikely, but still a silly love I think).
 
Completely shocking and unexpected.

I love my open-source browser (Firefox) developed by a non-profit group (Mozilla). Wish we had an open-source search engine as well. :(
 
Wait - So Apple needs to get into the search business now? Why? So they can create a search engine and curate their results to omit their competitors?
Yes. That's clearly the solution :rolleyes:
 
I am seeing this recommendation across the board and I think people are ubserestinating what it takes to just build a search engine. Think of maps as a a search engine for just maps. Apple didn't even get that right. The problem with competing with an already mature search engine is, well, it's already mature. And people are used to it. One does not simply make a search engine and receive worldwide acceptance. Microsoft is learning this currently.

Apple did this with the phone. Entered a very mature market with a product that was so so much better then the market and people switched. Saying you can't enter an established market and turn heads . . .. well you can. It's just very hard, you need a superior product. MS's Bing is just not a superior product. And by superior you need to be better in ways people can understand. Technically better doesn't matter squat in people's eyes. The iPhone 1 was inferior in many ways but it was sexy, and made the basic tasks much easier. That's why people loved it.

Bing on the other hand, looks nice but it does nothing Google does not do on the surface. Yes it's search algorithm is much less biased then the Google's one. But that's the technical specifics most people don't care about. MS need to do something to make Bing one step ahead of MS. Advertise Bing everywhere, give it features that make it a dream to use and find the exact search results you want. But this is tough as there's not many features you can add to a search engine. Type in what you want to search and press search. All the rest is the algorithm working in the background.

This is MS's task ahead of it. Either leave Bing as is, 2nd fiddle to Google, or really think hard on how to make it more attractive.

I reckon the number one way to do this is to get Bing to be the default search of choice on iOS devices. Yes in this instance MS needs Apple. A partnership of sorts. MS promise to keep Bing up to date, looking pretty (to the Apple standard of pretty) and the search algorithm unbiased. And Apple's end of the bargain is they have good stable non google search as the default on iOS. I'm sure MS would be up for it. Apple just not need to be too demanding on their wants. Apple has a history of having all their wants met or walking from the negotiating table.

Apple want less and less to do with google. Maps is one example of this. And MS want more Bing exposure. And this would mean by proxy more MS exposure. I know Apple had the whole Apple vs PC ads. Even one about the many different Vista versions. But Apple needs to put this aside and work with MS. Both parties benefit here. And it is a win vs the big enemy. That being google.
 
Damnit! Why can't I get this to work? All I want is to get a stupid twitter app so I can talk to my friends about the days trending topics! My iPad is dumb! I'm getting an Android!

...and Google's master plan is revealed.
Yes this is the master plan. And for many people it's working. The tech wars will be won by the masses who don't know much about tech. Apple realise this. And google is slowly realising this.

(In the home and most businesses that is. High tech business expect the good tech but they are in the minority).
 
Well that's odd considering (as my quote above from another poster) I didn't see the Google Play store ANYWHERE on the page when I searched for "espn iphone" ... which is pretty darn generic.

Maybe Google is doing this only for the most commonly searched terms. Or we are all wearing tin foil hats. Who knows. Maybe espn is searched a lot less then twitter or facebook is. I see your point. And I agree. But it's hard to know without all the search data infront of us. I can't see google sharing this data with anyone.
 
I can't see anything that is wrong with that. Apple is a competitor, and similarly to Apple, that doesn't want to approve some of Google's apps on AppStore, Google has no obligation to even include Apple on their search based website/algorithm. Apple should say THANK YOU to google that they are even there from the first place.
 
Bs... I tried them all and all works fine..
Use itunes as first kea word and u get top results.
If u use itunes a second word to and apps name.. App developer cones first and the itunes site.. Which is expected.
 
Their probably wasn't. Is there something about his comment that isn't worth saying? He's adding his $.02. Nothing wrong with that in a discussion forum.

No, there wasn't anything in his comment that wasn't worth saying...except for the fact that it was a direct response to my comment, by way of quotation, in which case it was essentially unrelated.

Fava beans for tricycling menu blinkers, basically.
 
Maybe Google is doing this only for the most commonly searched terms. Or we are all wearing tin foil hats. Who knows. Maybe espn is searched a lot less then twitter or facebook is. I see your point. And I agree. But it's hard to know without all the search data infront of us. I can't see google sharing this data with anyone.

You're missing the point. Another poster above me in page three had stated his search results for the exact same term gave him Google Play results at the top of the page, with iTunes being at the bottom. My results for the same phrase returned iTunes at the 5th or 6th link, with Google Play links nowhere on the page.
 
Their probably wasn't. Is there something about his comment that isn't worth saying? He's adding his $.02. Nothing wrong with that in a discussion forum.
No, there wasn't anything in his comment that wasn't worth saying...except for the fact that it was a direct response to my comment, by way of quotation, in which case it was essentially unrelated.

Fava beans for tricycling menu blinkers, basically.
phillipduran is correct. If you (or the mods) try to ban all chat that not 100% directly related to the article in question you'd have half the forums deleted overnight. And there is nothing wrong with spin off conversation. It can generate some very good topics. And a lot can be learnt from that.
 
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