Are people who bought the 2019 MacBook Pro planning to upgrade in October?

[kathyricks]

No, I do not lust after the latest models because in my experience every new Macbook ends up having fustrating downgrades in overall functinality and ease of use plus the Apple Support staff are no longer trained well enough to solve simple issues. They only provide canned, robotic replies to "how to I do this and fix this" questions.

 

[Howard2k]

Why would Apple release all these 2019 models if they plan on releasing a different keyboard a few months after? Doesn’t make much sense to me. Doesn’t make much sense that Apple put more r&d into the butterfly keyboard and updated the parts on them just to kill them off a few months later. I’d be shocked if apple released a different keyboard if we do get a 16” this year. Just seems less likely even though the rumors.

Or release the new models at a further premium and then buyers can choose the more expensive new series or the alternative but still relatively newly refreshed style at current price points.

 

[x-evil-x]

Or release the new models at a further premium and then buyers can choose the more expensive new series or the alternative but still relatively newly refreshed style at current price points.

I highly doubt they will keep around the 15.4 inch model if a 16.4 is released. A higher priced MacBook Pro needs better things besides 1” bigger screen but same chips/processors/screen. I think they will drop the 15.4 and 13” model for 16/14. But not change too much on the body.

 

[leman]

It doesn't sound like it's going to offer much over the current models. Still an LCD and will have to use the same processors as the mid 2019. We're basically just getting a slightly larger screen I guess?

It will most likely use Ice Lake CPUs, LPDDR4 and new AMD GPUs for ~20% perf. boost (or much higher if you can use AVX512/rely on GPU a lot).
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There is no way Apple is going to update the 13 and 15” less than 6 months after they were last updated.

Why not? If they update based on hardware availability, it makes perfect sense. New 15” and 13” became available the moment new Intel CPUs appeared on the market. This fall, the next gen CPUs and GPUs are coming out. Yeah, timing is not ideal, but what are you going to do if your hardware partners have such a strange release cycle.

 

[Hakiroto]

Why not? If they update based on hardware availability, it makes perfect sense.

My thoughts exactly. People moaned about Apple only updating their products every year (or more) but in the past year they seemed to have changed that and have released updates as and when new hardware was available, only to still get people moaning about them now releasing too often.

 

[leman]

My thoughts exactly. People moaned about Apple only updating their products every year (or more) but in the past year they seemed to have changed that and have released updates as and when new hardware was available, only to still get people moaning about them now releasing too often.

Exactly this. Not to mention that this was common practice for Apple just a few yers ago. Then CPU/GPU update and availability schedules became all messed up so Apple went from 2x update per year to 1x update (at most). From what we saw this year, it seems that delivering the latest tech to the customer as soon as possible is once again a priority.

But this again shows how irrational the vocal customer base is. If one tries to maintain some sort of predictable release cycle, people complain because the new tech is later to the market. If one instead tries to update as soon as new stuff is available, people complain because they bough a laptop half a year ago...

 

[x-evil-x]

what years did they release updates all throughout summer and then release a brand new model come October?

 

[leman]

what years did they release updates all throughout summer and then release a brand new model come October?

Just look at the MBP release timeline. Back in 2007-2009 having 4-5 months between updates was nothing out of ordinary. E.g. June 5, 2007 - November 1, 2007 - February 26, 2008. Or even with retina models: October 23, 2012 - February 13, 2013. Or if you mean redesigns, well, retina model comes to mind (they updated 13" in June 2012 and the retina model came out in October). Two updates per year, one minor, one major has been the normal Apple's operation before Intel's tick-tock cycle broke down.

Anyway, this is all besides the point. The issue is not Apple's planning but hardware availability. If Apple's partners decide to release 8-core mobile CPUs in April and then to release a brand new CPU architecture in fall, what do you expect Apple to do. Skip the updates?

 

[grmlin]

Isn't Apple normally pretty late in selling the newest CPUs etc?
Not that it matters so much these days, where all spec bumps of Intel hardware are only noticeable in benchmarks at best.

 

[vaugha]

I will wait until 2021 at the least. I stay away from 1st gens. Apple is no exception.

 

[Invisible Elf]

I might upgrade if the price is not too far above the current prices. I don’t mind first gen hardware, the consumer protection laws in Norway are quite good.

 

[leman]

Isn't Apple normally pretty late in selling the newest CPUs etc?

Before 2012 or so they were usually one of the first ones to adopt the newest CPUs. It changed later when the CPU release cycle slowed down (especially in regards to the more rare CPUs with extra features that Apple traditionally relied on). But this year it seems they are changing it. They were very fast to adopt the new i9 CPUs in volume, and their newer 13" also rely on CPUs that are brand new.

 

[asfalloth]

No I think I’ll keep hold of this new 13” 2019 MBP i7 2.8, 1TB, 16GB until Jan 2022.
6 months before the AppleCare runs out and sell it like I always do, and then get a new one.

 

[JPack]

There is no way Apple is going to update the 13 and 15” less than 6 months after they were last updated.

They let the entry level 13” sit for over 2 years and then just updated them a month ago when there was no need to do so if there was any truth behind new 13” models

The way I see it, this 16” is an extension of the current MacBook line up. We’ll see it announced in October and then like the Mac Pro come at a later date, maybe early next year.

Given the cost and the niche market it’s targeting it will be only suitable for youtube reviewers.

Then this same design will come in a 12-14” form factor become more affordable and eventually replace the older 13 and 15”

The 13 and 15” will simply not be updated again

You forgot about the keyboard.

The 13 and 15” models are costing Apple a fortune in keyboard repairs.

I’d be surprised if Apple didn’t update ASAP. It’s a black eye for Apple right now.

 

[seeforyourself]

Why would Apple release all these 2019 models if they plan on releasing a different keyboard a few months after? Doesn’t make much sense to me. Doesn’t make much sense that Apple put more r&d into the butterfly keyboard and updated the parts on them just to kill them off a few months later. I’d be shocked if apple released a different keyboard if we do get a 16” this year. Just seems less likely even though the rumors.

They’ve been tweaking the keyboard every update (every year) because of how unreliable it us. They were changing the mechanism inside the butterfly keys trying to make it less prone to failure without getting rid of it. Getting rid of the butterfly would mean that they’d have to redesign the whole structure of the computer which is very expensive. They obviously are going to dump this butterfly keyboard totally when they redesign the whole computer.


The failure rates are too ubiquitous.

 

[radus]

It doesn't sound like it's going to offer much over the current models. Still an LCD and will have to use the same processors as the mid 2019. We're basically just getting a slightly larger screen I guess?

What about a 10th Generation i9 ?

 

[JPack]

Still an LCD and will have to use the same processors as the mid 2019. We're basically just getting a slightly larger screen I guess?

I'm not sure what's the deal against LCD. Do people realize LCD still offers significantly better picture quality compared to OLED? There's a reason why studio production monitors are all LCD and Apple's Pro Display XDR is LCD.

 

[x-evil-x]

I'm not sure what's the deal against LCD. Do people realize LCD still offers significantly better picture quality compared to OLED? There's a reason why studio production monitors are all LCD and Apple's Pro Display XDR is LCD.

Uh what? https://www.adorama.com/sobvme250a.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwg-DpBRBbEiwAEV1_-I5U4W0RAReuORyN78qW5EVBTsbxhARei2ho780IN-A0uYFbuKiLcRoCNGUQAvD_BwE
You do realize that OLED has millions of individual light sources compared to lcd having usually one or two edge lit leds for backlights. The better tv’s have full array backlights with zones. But OLED each tiny pixel is its own light source.
How is lcd better than that? It’s just not. Sure they have really good full array backlight lcd’s but they don’t compare to OLED. Or even plasma.

 

[JPack]

Uh what? https://www.adorama.com/sobvme250a....VBTsbxhARei2ho780IN-A0uYFbuKiLcRoCNGUQAvD_BwE
You do realize that OLED has millions of individual light sources compared to lcd having usually one or two edge lit leds for backlights. The better tv’s have full array backlights with zones. But OLED each tiny pixel is its own light source.
How is lcd better than that? It’s just not. Sure they have really good full array backlight lcd’s but they don’t compare to OLED. Or even plasma.

Sony is betting on OLED after they sold all their LCD plants and technology. They're the only ones making OLED production monitors.

Everything you're saying are just talking points from OLED manufacturers like Sony and Samsung.

LCD is unquestionably better than OLED when it comes to real world results. Below is a comparison of two $4,000 monitors, one OLED and one LCD.

 

[gadgetfreaky]

Why would Apple release all these 2019 models if they plan on releasing a different keyboard a few months after? Doesn’t make much sense to me. Doesn’t make much sense that Apple put more r&d into the butterfly keyboard and updated the parts on them just to kill them off a few months later. I’d be shocked if apple released a different keyboard if we do get a 16” this year. Just seems less likely even though the rumors.

New chips came out - why would Apple put a ban on new releases just because a new keyboard was on the way.

Just because a redesign is coming doesn't mean Apple puts in a ban on all updates to the line until it's ready. Would you want them to?

 

[x-evil-x]

Sony is betting on OLED after they sold all their LCD plants and technology. They're the only ones making OLED production monitors.

Everything you're saying are just talking points from OLED manufacturers like Sony and Samsung.

LCD is unquestionably better than OLED when it comes to real world results. Below is a comparison of two $4,000 monitors, one OLED and one LCD.

but that is also reference monitors. Why are cheap production lcd monitors better than oled? If apple puts an oled screen you're saying it will be worse than the current lcd tech? I don't buy it. There are different reference monitors oled and lcd doesn't mean lcd is best.
The average consumers budget would choose oled over lcd with similar prices. oled wins. Sony is abandoning their lcd manufacturing because of cost. Its cheaper to get master series level quality from oled than it is to produce their full array backlight systems with lcd.

 

[ghanwani]

^
https://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/oled-vs-led-lcd-2924602
It depends -- neither one is better in all scenarios.

 

[leman]

How is lcd better than that? It’s just not. Sure they have really good full array backlight lcd’s but they don’t compare to OLED. Or even plasma.

We are talking about premium computer panels here, not TVs. In that segment, the LCD is simply more well rounded. The OLED still has higher power consumption, lower brightness, color accuracy and gamut, and it seems there are some color banding issues. Not to mention the tendency to burn-in. They offer true blacks and higher contrast, which is great though. I’ve been looking at reviews if OLED laptops and I can’t say I am fully convinced. I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple were to skip OLED completely here and go for microLED instead. At any rate, the displays in the MBP are better than currently any shipping OLED laptop screens.
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but that is also reference monitors. Why are cheap production lcd monitors better than oled? If apple puts an oled screen you're saying it will be worse than the current lcd tech? I don't buy it. There are different reference monitors oled and lcd doesn't mean lcd is best.

The reference monitor you linked is lowDPI, low brightness and sRGB only. I am sure it’s an impressive device, but it’s not really what Apple needs. Their own LCD reference monitor has double the pixel density, over 10x the brightness, much wider color gamut etc. does Sony it anyone else also make OLED displays like that?

 

[x-evil-x]

We are talking about premium computer panels here, not TVs. In that segment, the LCD is simply more well rounded. The OLED still has higher power consumption, lower brightness, color accuracy and gamut, and it seems there are some color banding issues. Not to mention the tendency to burn-in. They offer true blacks and higher contrast, which is great though. I’ve been looking at reviews if OLED laptops and I can’t say I am fully convinced. I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple were to skip OLED completely here and go for microLED instead. At any rate, the displays in the MBP are better than currently any shipping OLED laptop screens.
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The reference monitor you linked is lowDPI, low brightness and sRGB only. I am sure it’s an impressive device, but it’s not really what Apple needs. Their own LCD reference monitor has double the pixel density, over 10x the brightness, much wider color gamut etc. does Sony it anyone else also make OLED displays like that?

I do think micro led would be the best thing to come up with. Then its on the same level contrast wise as oled because it can turn off completely each led. Id imagine this would make HDR look really good as the brightness with micro led would be very high. I wanted manufacturers to already have some working ones out but seems too soon I guess.
Im pretty curious how Apples new monitor stands up against 30,000$ ones. If they have a almost as good for 5000$ it would sell really well. I want to see it in person in September.

 

[MimicBunion972]

If you knew redesign is coming, why did you just buy one?
If you just got the 2019 MBP, you don't need to buy the new one. You know there are many better ways to spend a couple thousand dollars.