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I wanna upgrade to a 15" (more performance and easy to drive 4k displays) however I'm waiting for Navi, new screens & hopefully a redesign
 
Not sure why I'm seeing talk of OLED in this thread when Apple refuses to provide even a 3360x2100 LCD.

I bought and returned the Dell 7590 with OLED screen. There is only one OLED panel going around and it is no good. Inaccurate color and color banding in any shade of gray. Unless Apple get a brand new OLED panel built for them, I don't care much about OLED on MBP.
 
If you knew redesign is coming, why did you just buy one?
If you just got the 2019 MBP, you don't need to buy the new one. You know there are many better ways to spend a couple thousand dollars.
Because it was easier to sell my 2018 now and then sell the 2019 when I upgrade this fall, than to sell the 2018 when I upgrade this fall.
 
While I was hyped at first for OLED, I think it's not ready yet for Laptop displays. Pretty sure OLED isn't the final solution for displays.
 
I just got the 15" 2019 MacBook Pro base model.

Feeling kinda bad that Apple may do a re-design in October.

But at the same time, first gen...

I think they're going to release the new macbook pro redesign starting with the 16 inch and then the 13 inch will follow, I think eventually they will get rid of the 15 inch.

My whole feeling is that I don't think I'll ever do gen 1 buys yet. Unfortunately, Apple has not had a great track record with gen 1 of their new designs. This gen's mbp, the first gen macbook (the one with retina), first gen and second gen of macbook air. It goes on and on.

It was even said that this gen macbook pro, Apple was counting on intel to bring down the nm of their chips to eventually make this design workable, turns out Intel didn't and the mbp had throttling issues.
 
but that is also reference monitors. Why are cheap production lcd monitors better than oled? If apple puts an oled screen you're saying it will be worse than the current lcd tech? I don't buy it. There are different reference monitors oled and lcd doesn't mean lcd is best.
The average consumers budget would choose oled over lcd with similar prices. oled wins. Sony is abandoning their lcd manufacturing because of cost. Its cheaper to get master series level quality from oled than it is to produce their full array backlight systems with lcd.

The fact that 99% of reference monitors are LCD already tells you which one is better. The fact that Apple chose to use LCD for their $4,999 monitor tells you again. Apple didn't spend all that time re-engineering the LED backlight just for fun if OLED could perform the same.

LCD with quantum dot offers better color gamut and brightness than OLED. This is exactly what "pro" devices like iPad Pro and MacBook Pro need. OLED offers a thinner display and "true" blacks, neither of which are particularly useful for iPad or MacBook.

If you think cost is an issue, it isn't. A couple years ago, Dell sold a 30-inch OLED monitor for $3,499. Today, Dell sells an OLED notebook for less than $3,000. There's a good reason why Apple isn't biting.
 
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I received a new 2018 15-in. MBP that I ordered from Costco a couple of days ago, almost $300 less than the same model refurbished from Apple. I’m quite pleased with it and plan to keep it for at least five years. I even like the keyboard better than my 2012.

I love the latest in tech like most, but I can’t afford to chase it. I hope Apple hits a home run this fall with the anticipated 16-in., but the 15.4 is plenty big for me. What I’d love to see is a 14-in. replace the 13.3.
 
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I just got the 15" 2019 MacBook Pro base model.

Feeling kinda bad that Apple may do a re-design in October.

But at the same time, first gen...
I thought you posted that you regretted the 15" as its too big/heavy and wanted to sell it for the 13" The 16" will be larger/heavier then 15"
 
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The fact that 99% of reference monitors are LCD already tells you which one is better. The fact that Apple chose to use LCD for their $4,999 monitor tells you again. Apple didn't spend all that time re-engineering the LED backlight just for fun if OLED could perform the same.

LCD with quantum dot offers better color gamut and brightness than OLED. This is exactly what "pro" devices like iPad Pro and MacBook Pro need. OLED offers a thinner display and "true" blacks, neither of which are particularly useful for iPad or MacBook.

If you think cost is an issue, it isn't. A couple years ago, Dell sold a 30-inch OLED monitor for $3,499. Today, Dell sells an OLED notebook for less than $3,000. There's a good reason why Apple isn't biting.

This is pretty accurate
 
I thought you posted that you regretted the 15" as its too big/heavy and wanted to sell it for the 13" The 16" will be larger/heavier then 15"

I didn't think of that. If it's heavier and bigger then no way. But if it's thinner and lighter then that's good.
 
The re-designed MBPs that come out this October are going to be more of a "different class" of notebook. They will be better in every way, but also more expensive. If you have a 2019, and you really want the re-design, you might have time to return it still.
But for most people, they won't need the new re-designed one until their 2019 wears out in 3-5 years.
 
I didn't think of that. If it's heavier and bigger then no way. But if it's thinner and lighter then that's good.

I don't mind the bigger/thicker part as long as it doesn't add weight. Of course, I'm not in the 15"/16" market, but just thinking ahead to what might happen when the 13" is redesigned to accommodate the scissor keyboard in 2020.
 
Think there should be a poll here...
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I just got the 15" 2019 MacBook Pro base model.

Feeling kinda bad that Apple may do a re-design in October.

But at the same time, first gen...
that's a great model you have, enjoy!!
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There is no way Apple is going to update the 13 and 15” less than 6 months after they were last updated.

They let the entry level 13” sit for over 2 years and then just updated them a month ago when there was no need to do so if there was any truth behind new 13” models

The way I see it, this 16” is an extension of the current MacBook line up. We’ll see it announced in October and then like the Mac Pro come at a later date, maybe early next year.

Given the cost and the niche market it’s targeting it will be only suitable for youtube reviewers.

Then this same design will come in a 12-14” form factor become more affordable and eventually replace the older 13 and 15”

The 13 and 15” will simply not be updated again
think you are totally right, announced October, avail, Dec/Jan earliest... I don't think it will be some blow out design... larger screen, less Bessel, new keyboard... kinda about it.. wondering what color, anyone know??
 
I just got the 15" 2019 MacBook Pro base model.

Feeling kinda bad that Apple may do a re-design in October.

But at the same time, first gen...
I just bought a fully spec’d out 15” with all upgrades except the i only opted for the 2TB rather than 4, tbh I can probably make do with what I’m using for another few months so i’ll Return next week and wait until the upgrade as it’s a new form factor that will be the norm for the next 4 years and resale on a 2019 15”4 will be pretty poor once the 16” drops.
 
I just bought a fully spec’d out 15” with all upgrades except the i only opted for the 2TB rather than 4, tbh I can probably make do with what I’m using for another few months so i’ll Return next week and wait until the upgrade as it’s a new form factor that will be the norm for the next 4 years and resale on a 2019 15”4 will be pretty poor once the 16” drops.

True. If it comes out in January that's only like 6 months away. Not too bad if you ask me.
 
I bought a base 13" 2019 MBP for $1100 with the edu discount and selling the beats. Trading in my old 2015 15" for $750 through Apple. Figure I'll be able to sell the 13" for a decent price later this year when I pick up a 16" (if I decide to). My 15" was starting to slow down and I figured that the trade in value was actually decent enough to go for it. Really impressed with this 13" so far. Was also worried that the 15" was going to drop in value more later this year. So should only be a net cost of a $100-200 for the 13" during this time, hopefully less due to the good price I got for it.
 
I just bought a fully spec’d out 15” with all upgrades except the i only opted for the 2TB rather than 4, tbh I can probably make do with what I’m using for another few months so i’ll Return next week and wait until the upgrade as it’s a new form factor that will be the norm for the next 4 years and resale on a 2019 15”4 will be pretty poor once the 16” drops.
I don't know if the resale value on the 15.4 will be poor at all once the 16 is released, the 16.4" is not a replacement for the 15".... at least for a while... plus the 16 wont actually be avail. until Dec/Jan earliest I am sure!
 
I didn't think of that. If it's heavier and bigger then no way. But if it's thinner and lighter then that's good.
Is not going to be thinner or lighter or smaller. The display size increase will certainly add weight
 
Only if one of three things happen:
- Touch Screen;
- LTE and eSIM or;
- Bigger screen in 13" size.

If it's 16"only then nope.
 
I'm not sure what's the deal against LCD. Do people realize LCD still offers significantly better picture quality compared to OLED? There's a reason why studio production monitors are all LCD and Apple's Pro Display XDR is LCD.
In what universe?
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What about a 10th Generation i9 ?
They won't be ready by then. 10th gen chips are starting with low power CPUs for ultrabooks.
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If it’s a complete redesign like we got in 2016 then I’d expect more than just screen size. The current generation has had lots of thermal issues so I’d expect a redesigned cooling system at the very least. I’d also guess there’ll be Face ID, a much improved camera, and a completely new keyboard. I also wouldn’t be surprised if the Touch Bar got some kind of refresh as well.
I disagree that the current (2019) models have thermal issues. Multiple people have tested the 8-core i9 models and found that they stabilize at around 2.9-3.1ghz under sustained max load and that the temperatures stay reasonable. IMO that is excellent for such a thin, light machine. If I wanted 4.5ghz sustained I could buy a huge bulky gaming PC, but I'd rather have a MBP.
 
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