Can probably wait until we get closer to it, it's still a decade out so not much to do at this point but wait it out. As mentioned before I'm fairly confident we can trivially patch hfs to make this a non-issue. XNU already uses time_t internally which is 64-bits so that's fine, that only leaves specific apps. The fact that system preferences doesn't allow you to go beyond 2038 is a bit concerning, but that could just be a legacy of pre-64 bit osx. What happens if you manually set it past that via date command in terminal?
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I’m on team No Time Like the Present, because I got kicked off Team Kick the Can Down the Sidewalk long ago.
I've always been on Team When Did That Happen?!!!!! 🤯I’m on team No Time Like the Present, because I got kicked off Team Kick the Can Down the Sidewalk long ago.
I tried setting the date beyond 2038 via terminal on my iMac G4 running 10.5.8, and the computer exploded.
Ok, not really, but it won't let you set a date past January 19, 2038, and I found as you set the date and time closer to that date, the system gets very unstable. Seems like January 16, 2038 around 7:00 UTC is about the limit before the system just starts freezing, and it won't boot until you boot it in single user mode and change the time back a bit further away from the limit. I was trying to find what the exact time was that would cause it to stop booting but was getting inconsistent results and gave up.
I set the date to 2040 using the Terminal in a Mavericks virtual machine and everything seemed to work fine.
Mind, we're talking about something 15 years away. I love Mavericks and have invested a lot in keeping it working, but even I'm not sure whether I'll still be using it in 15 years. Will people even still be using desktop computers? Maybe we'll just yell whatever we want and an AI will do it for us.
Mind, we're talking about something 15 years away. I love Mavericks and have invested a lot in keeping it working, but even I'm not sure whether I'll still be using it in 15 years. Will people even still be using desktop computers? Maybe we'll just yell whatever we want and an AI will do it for us.
To keep this thread topical to the original poster’s question about Apple gear they no longer want to continue storing, I’ve set up a new thread to talk about the Y2K38 and Y2K40 problems.
Unless we destroy Earth, then yes. People are wont to change less quickly than technology, and fifteen years isn’t very far off. It’s not, say, 150 years from now or anything.
Good to know. One less thing to worry about, it's only HFS then.
>I'm not sure whether I'll still be using it in 15 years
15 years is within reach, it's not that far off. 15 years back from now was 2008, and I still do the same stuff I do back then, only I find myself fighting UI redesigns and bloated websites. If it was 50 years then maybe that would be enough time for change, but 15 is too short for computers as a paradigm to go away completely.
While it is likely that in 15 years the effort required to use Mavericks as a daily driver for "modern" web browsing will not be worth it (and as newer formats like h265 and AV1 gain popularity, it would not be fun to use anyway), I suspect I will still be using it as more of a server/thin-client sort of thing though, where I keep it on LAN only and VNC into it as needed. Using mavericks sparks joy whereas newer OSs do not, so I do not think I will ever throw it out.
Ive been trying in vain for 3 weeks to figure out how to get Mavericks to load, and I just wiped my mid 2010 mac pro unintentionally. now I don't have the 10.9 Mavericks dmg . and... the link to your website gave me a 404.
Sure wish I could figure out how to PM on here...I agreed with you initially and was about to post these on Offer for anyone to come and pick them up; then I had an issue with My MP 5,1 booting up and not recognizing the boot drive and also not being bale to boot into recovery. It wasn't recognizing external flash drives with bootable installers, wasn't recognizing internal drives, also wasn't recognizing discs!
I also did the whole OpenCore thing and the drive is formatted APFS. <---not awesome when trying to reinstall Mojave to fix the problem. SOOOOOO, TDM connected to a 2004 15" PB G4? .yes. I had no problem booting the PB, it recognized the 500GB OWC drive (but couldn't initialize it), and I also had no problem using the PB to erase the APFS drive and reset to HFS. Now my Mac Pro is restored from a Time Machine backup and working just fine!
So I'm keeping my PPC stuff after all!
I’d love to find a browser that renders just text and tables or layouts of a web page. That would allow vintage macs work.
Right now a modern page with a TiBook 500mhz would grind to a halt for any modern non heavy website. I tried this back in 2012 and it was painful.
Love this max laptop more than any other!
It solidified Apple’s resurgence to premium laptops after the Lombard and wall street G3 PowerBooks were getting long in the tooth.
THANK YOU!!!!
Retrozilla ... very nice.
RetroZilla’s got that classic, Firefox 3.0 feel to it, with just a smidge of the end of Netscape Navigator’s UI thrown in for good measure.
NetZillaRetroZilla’s got that classic, Firefox 3.0 feel to it, with just a smidge of the end of Netscape Navigator’s UI thrown in for good measure.
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I wish I liquidated all my PPC Macs before 2005.
I'm with you... I do not want to look like a hoarder.
Hoarding is a real deal, and its root causes are complex — tied in things like PTSD, grief, etc., long preceding the starting of that hoarding (I’ve had both friends and family of friends who’ve struggled with hoarding, and it was hard to bring up with them, if it was at all even possible).
On a more pragmatic level, it really comes down to whether what one has is going to be used actively in the near future or not. If not, then it’s time to let it go. This goes for computers, appliances, paperwork, whatever (and where the last two intersect: the paper shredder, which in this house gets plenty of use).
For Macs, as that’s the ever-present topic here, every Mac in my signature, minus one (for, well, at least another week or two) is in active, daily use, has set use-cases for my needs, and each has a comfortable home on a desk (of which I have three in my home, each serving as a different work area for different purposes: day job work desk, film scanning and audio engineering desk, and DJing and keyboard practice desk). One iPod nano from my signature line lives on a 30-pin mount equipped on my bedside alarm clock, while the other goes with me wherever I do (and also comes along as emergency fallback at DJing gigs should there ever be technical failure preventing gear from getting the live show out on time).
That said, as a reader, scholar, writer, music archivist, DJ, and photographer, I do cop to hoarding data, but we’re at a point now, really, in which data can be managed and tucked away sufficiently inside a compact NAS or a server.
Hoarding is a real deal, and its root causes are complex — tied in things like PTSD, grief, etc., long preceding the starting of that hoarding (I’ve had both friends and family of friends who’ve struggled with hoarding, and it was hard to bring up with them, if it was at all even possible).
On a more pragmatic level, it really comes down to whether what one has is going to be used actively in the near future or not. If not, then it’s time to let it go. This goes for computers, appliances, paperwork, whatever (and where the last two intersect: the paper shredder, which in this house gets plenty of use).
For Macs, as that’s the ever-present topic here, every Mac in my signature, minus one (for, well, at least another week or two) is in active, daily use, has set use-cases for my needs, and each has a comfortable home on a desk (of which I have three in my home, each serving as a different work area for different purposes: day job work desk, film scanning and audio engineering desk, and DJing and keyboard practice desk). One iPod nano from my signature line lives on a 30-pin mount equipped on my bedside alarm clock, while the other goes with me wherever I do (and also comes along as emergency fallback at DJing gigs should there ever be technical failure preventing gear from getting the live show out on time).
That said, as a reader, scholar, writer, music archivist, DJ, and photographer, I do cop to hoarding data, but we’re at a point now, really, in which data can be managed and tucked away sufficiently inside a compact NAS or a server.
This is my personal take on this. Not an attack on anyone else as I grew up being taught to maximize utilization.
I also wished my last Intel Macs were the 2011 laptop & 2012 desktop. All previous intel Macs sold by 2012.
Then buy into the 2021 & 2026 model. Liquidate the last Intel Macs the day the new Apple Silicon models arrives.
It bothers me that idle assets aren't turned into more useful cash to invest into business, stocks and bonds.
Just like having more cars than people with driver's license isn't my thing. Replace once hitting 62,000 miles.
I also regretted hoarding data. No point in keeping a copy of any non-personal videos you've watched once then only watch again a decade or two later when the 2K, 4K or 8K remaster comes around on your newly bought 2K, 4K and 8K TV.
Just rent or buy then sell after use. Doing this frees up space in the house too.
iPods I had were all sold the week before the replacement comes out. Minimal depreciation.
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That’s the spirit of conversation on here.
As I’ve remarked on here in the past, I will not be buying or using the more recent Macs. This has a lot to do with Apple’s design choices to eliminate and even actively prevent modularity and the ability to replace and/or upgrade components as needed. Further, I’ve never been fond of the T2 chip inclusion for a slew of reasons. Were it there only to handle, say, hardware HEVC encoding/decoding, then there wouldn’t be any complaint.
So this means I continue to use, care for, and improve on older Macs for everyday activity. My next new laptop will almost undoubtedly be coming from Frame.work, on which I’ll run an iteration of Linux and VM for a version of Intel-supported macOS as required by work. Ultimately, after almost 35 years of using Macs, I’ll be moving away from contemporary and/or legacy-supported Apple products. The company have veered afar from their longtime mandate of “it just works” for the products they now sell. It’s a disappointment, but it’s their call.
This is, literally, not how my brain works at all, although I appreciate it’s how it works for you!
I’m not a hoarder of anything except data, and my lack of desire to hoard extends to the understated enabling of hoarding money in a social-economic system which, paradoxically, frowns on hoarding except as it relates to money and money-bearing instruments.
From time to time, I watch YouTube clips from folks who work on vintage cars as a pastime or to teach viewers how to work on their own cars. These folks often have far more cars than I could fathom (the most I’ve ever owned was one at any given time, and I gave that up almost twenty years ago in favour of living in cities where one no longer needs a car, or can easily hire one for an inter-city road trip, if need be).
Again, everyone has their own deal going on, and that’s OK. As it works, keep doing it!
I keep organized my digitized music and music video library on which I’ve steadily assembled for most of my life; having it thoroughly organized and all metadata accurate and in place makes finding what I need very short work, which comes in extremely handy when running a live set. For my scholarly research work, I keep previously downloaded and personally-annotated PDFs of peer-reviewed articles at the ready, as referring back to certain ones tends to happen a lot. And for those times when I’m doing technical writing in tandem with placing it in content layout for the client, I keep a library of typography organized (as I have since the mid ’90s, back during the early days of my first career in graphic design and art direction and working on Mac OS 7.5).
I will rent a dwelling or rent a car when I hire one, but I never, ever rent data. That’s a hard, red line of nope.avi for me. Intangibles are not real property.
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Sell them, there is definitely demand for these. (Sure enough, few people are interested, but then supply is scarce too.)