Are we going to see a refresh on the iPhone SE next year?

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  1. steiney macrumors 6502

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    Who thinks Apple is going to release a "flagship" 4 inch iPhone with their fall refresh this year? Who thinks they are going to just let this iPhone SE ride for 2-4 years?

    I can honestly make a case both ways. On the one hand, Apple could be testing the waters with this SE to see how customers will respond to a 4 inch phone again. If the SE does well, Apple might swap it out for a matching design 4 inch model this fall (or next fall?). On the other hand, Apple could be just putting this out there at flagship spec just to shut up the people like myself who have been howling for a 4 inch model.
     
  2. estabya macrumors 6502

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    I have a feeling it's more of the latter. I really don't see them cutting their profit margins on a 4" phone by coming out with a new one in 6 months. The SE should be plenty powerful for a couple years. I would guess that this fall when the 7 series comes out the SE will stay the same price, and the 6 series will be dropped in favor of the 6S phones. IMO that makes for a more coherent and sensible product lineup.
     
  3. Traverse macrumors 604

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    I don't think the SE will be consistently updated. I think it'll stay on the A9 Chip for two years, but I could be wrong. The SE is functioning as a budget phone.

    How can they have a flagship product without all the features (3D touch?). I guess it will depend on if the 4" size is a bottleneck for actually fitting the new hardware inside.
     
  4. steiney thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I fear you're right. I just don't understand why they are so dismissive of the 4 inch folks. They said in the release Monday that the 4 inch folks accounted for 10% of active users, or some number around there. That's a decent little chunk.

    That's a good point. It is lacking a couple features and is significantly lower priced, which I was pretty pleasantly shocked about so I think it definitely qualifies as a budget phone. But I do not think the lack of 3D touch is a matter of fitting the components in there. They just want to differentiate it from the big boy phones.
     
  5. Ladybug macrumors 65816

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    I doubt a flagship 4 inch will drop this fall but perhaps the next and only IF the 4 inch took the lead in sales over other offerings. I think they will try to keep this phone as their low end. JMO
     
  6. Traverse macrumors 604

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    I think the SE is a budget phone that (right now) has matching specs, but will fall behind.

    The real questions is if Apple will have a flagship line composed of 4", 4.7" and 5.5" and I and doubtful because I think maintaining full hardware equivalency and an acceptable battery-to-size ratio will be difficult. Moving the chasis up to 4.7" and especially 5.5" gives Apple a lot more room to play with.
     
  7. estabya macrumors 6502

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    Plus, whether or not the SE even gets an update will depend on sales. If it does poorly, it will be the last 4" iPhone. Hell, maybe the SE will recapture a large portion of the market that had conceded to buying a larger phone. Only time will tell.
     
  8. steiney thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Yeah, I've been hoping this SE does really well for that same reason. I'm gong to buy one if they don't do a 4 inch flagship this fall.

    That's a fair point. There would definitely be less power consumption with a small screen, but I don't know if that would be enough to help. I guess I just really hate the fact that they used that old case design. Kills me.

    Indeed! I am anxiously awaiting finding out.
     
  9. 12vElectronics macrumors 68040

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    There's no way they're releasing an update 4" iPhone in 6 months.
     
  10. lordofthereef macrumors G5

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    I think the SE is a test product. It's conservatively priced with relatively conservative build (very little retooling for the chassis and none for the screen). If it sells gang busters we will likely see a yearly refresh, perhaps starting 1.5 years down the road.
     
  11. mariachi4 macrumors member

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    Yup. As of now SE is a flagship phone with reasonable price. Very unusual for Apple. When 7 serie comes out in Sep 2016, SE will not be updated at all. Then when 7s serie comes out in Sep 2016, most likely a price drop and a spiritual follow up of the SE. Just my thought.
     
  12. pojo1806 macrumors 68000

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    I could see a split release, the main phones (7/7+ etc etc) staying as September releases and the SE could be a 2 yearly update every March. I don't see it being a yearly update, the iPhone only gets an S cycle every year and I don't believe they would do an SES (lol wut?) next March.
     
  13. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    Initially I was thinking it would be bi-yearly, but I really think it is going to sell way more than apple anticipated. If that is the case, I can see yearly updates. There is no way they update with the 7 though.
     
  14. BMcCoy macrumors 65816

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    I think the choice of name (SE) implies it will be staying around for a few years.
    That is, avoiding the use of a number (the rumoured '5se') allows it to sit comfortably with the iPhone 7, 7s, even 8...
    It might well get improvements next year, perhaps a 5mp front camera, but still be the iPhone SE.
     
  15. steiney thread starter macrumors 6502

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    This is probably the biggest piece of evidence pointing towards Apple taking forever to update it. I thought the same thing.
     
  16. mattopotamus macrumors G5

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    such a good post, and I could not agree more.
     
  17. lordofthereef macrumors G5

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    Not to mention the fact Apple apparently isn;y making too many tweaks with the 7/7s design architecture. Thinner, yes, but ultimately more similar to the 6 series than any "number jump" (for lack of better words) has been to the previous series. I can see the next SE in 1-1.5 years taking on this design architecture as well.
     
  18. Newtons Apple macrumors P6

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    The SE is it. There will be no upgrades.

    Apple finally gives you people a small phone and we see nothing but complaints!:)
     
  19. pojo1806 macrumors 68000

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    The "SE" may get no upgrades but I get a feeling there will be an 7S Mini, 7S and 7S Plus September 2017.
     
  20. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    My hope is they update it annually. Unfortunately I would guess that they will leave it until the 6S is due to be discontinued and possibly upgrade it then.
     
  21. 617aircav Suspended

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    The SE will not be refreshed every year. No need to. The 5s is still on sale as we speak.
     
  22. steiney thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Haha, no, I'm certainly not complaining. I'm just curious what Apple's future plans are so I can help myself along with the purchase decision.

    Everything is so messed up now with the timeline. If they are going to incorporate the 4 inch model into the flagship line up, the time to do it is with the 7 release. It feels like it would be much more clumsy to do it on a "s" release.

    I sure hope not! That's a long time, if you mean completely discontinued regarding the 6S.

    I don't think it is anymore. Maybe by other retailers with remaining stock but it's not on Apple.com anymore.
     
  23. mrkramer macrumors 603

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    That's what they did with the 5S. They waited to replace it with a new 4" phone until it got to the point that it would normally be discontinued. I hope that Apple updates the SE regularly, but I'm not expecting them to.
     
  24. steiney thread starter macrumors 6502

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    That's a very good point.
     
  25. PDFierro macrumors 68040

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    There is no way the SE gets updated in September. Maybe again in March next year, but I doubt that too. I think it says a lot that Apple made the SE be as powerful as the 6s is...it could last 2-3 years easily. It's also going to depend on sales, but I think this thing is going to be a hit.

    And I'm OK with it not being updated every year. I'm just glad we got the 4" iPhone back, and a powerful one at that.
     

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