petecee
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These numbers really should be enough to put this whole thing to bed.
Summary: DON'T trust GeekBench
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Are you returning your Samsung chip iPhone for a TSMC?
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anthonybkny
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not wrong, just tests different things.
From what I have seen with my Samsung 6s Plus is that Hearthstone drains the battery noticeably faster than my old 6+ so much so that I would not be able to play for an hour and then get through the rest of the day without a charge. My GUESS is the TSMC chip would provide a nice boost here, perhaps enough not to need to charge.
hammy434
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applelottery
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so this is still an issue
I think so. On the web browsing test the difference is not huge but I suspect it is because they just reload a cached page which is not cpu intensive compared to a genuine browsing on website full of ads.
I think the more you use your phone with demanding tasks the more you should see a difference in battery life (That's what happens with geekbench)
I also think we need more tests, because I've the feeling it's like statistics where you can make the numbers say what you want. Basically when you use your phone moderately they seems close in battery life, but when the usage is intense TSMC is the clear winner. In doubt I would prefer to have a TSMC.
This guy.... someone please tell me he's joking... please. I need to know that he is not posting this and meaning it.
Promising, Bu I'd like to see some testing with some light gaming. Exclusively web browsing isn't totally realistic.
Summary: DON'T trust GeekBench
newsman787
macrumors newbie
I have the Samsung chip on my 6s and love it so far, though I have yet to put it through its paces. I plan to keep it. But this novice poster is certainly upset about this development, feeling like many others that there may come a day when I need to push my phone to the limits and simply will not have the battery life I would have with a phone using the other chip. Another unsettling thing is seeing many suggest that consumers should simply accept what they are given happily though they paid an equally premium price. Obviously all of this chip controversy has been heard by Apple because they came out with that release aimed at easing the disruption. Whatever the case this situation will not go away and hopefully Apple will address it in a meaningful manner in keeping with its customer first commitment.
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Very well said.
I never really thought of myself as "technical" as they say. When all this furor started up I read the articles other members and some "Chipgate" writers kindly posted about the chip manufacturing process and about how variances are introduced at every step in the manufacturing process despite the tight controls. I found it very illuminating and despite my lack of technical expertise, found this information easy to understand and apply to practical decision making.
I wish I had read this material last year so I would have had a better understanding of why my IPhone 6 Plus was so much less stable and operated less smoothly than my husband's identically specced model. I simply lost the lottery somewhere along the line in one or more of the components. It could have been made by faeries out of magical pixie dust. It doesn't matter, it never quite worked right for me.
Now I have a device that's a dream to use by nearly anybody's standards. I'm quite bemused that had my iPhone fallen into other hands, it might have been discarded just because the manufacturer of the chip is Samsung.
missbing
macrumors 6502
i haven't seen any samsung iphones outlasting tsmc ones. sure none of the tests are technically scientific, but it's pretty obvious the tsmc ones have better battery life.
for me it's just the fact that the tsmc one lasts longer. i'm not saying the samsung one is bad, it's just i would feel i'm getting something worse than the other half of iphone owners. and when you're spending that amount of money, you want the best...
hopefully apple either:
-fixes in a software update (seems unlikely, but maybe the extra <1% performance of the samsung chip makes a big difference in battery life and they could therefore underclock it <1%)
-exchange samsung for tsmc (imo actually possible considering only geeks will really know whether they have tsmc/samsung)
-stop selling samsung ones
-put samsung in 6s plus, tsmc in 6s
otherwise i guess i'll have to keep returning when i decide to buy my 6s, well hopefully i'll get tsmc first time but if i dont, just so its not awkward and cause im kinda shy in real life, ill explain i want a tsmc one not a samsung one so they don't think i'm returning them for no reason. hope they have a lot of 128gb 6s space greys
Here's a test where the Samsumg lasted longer.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/10/samsung-vs-tsmc-comparing-the-battery-life-of-two-apple-a9s/
There's a simple solution. If you're within your return period, decide what you think might comprise a real situation in which you will have to push your phone to its limits and then enact this situation as a test. Your iPhone will either pass your standard or fail it.
It's not illogical to have a reasonable standard and to test your device against this standard. If your iPhone fails to meet this standard that you have set based on what you expect you may reasonably run into one day, you can return your phone with a clear conscience and with the honest statement that it failed to fulfill the purpose for which you bought it.
If you're past your return period one option you can explore for added battery life for your potential emergency situation is a battery case. If your iPhone has a problem overheating, that's probably a straightforward warranty return...I think.
missbing
macrumors 6502
For everyone that's returning their phone due to the chip and complaining about why you have to pay the same as others but with decreased battery life, isn't there a $35 return/exchange fee, so aren't you actually paying more than everyone else when doing these exchanges?
Jayjew
macrumors 6502
No. You can return it to apple for free
If you're using your iPhone often as a gaming device you need to test your iPhone for that purpose as soon as you get it. My overall point to you is that you incur a lot of waste and further risk and aggravation if you dismiss your device the minute you find out it's not a TSMC iPhone.
So see my advice to the other member about testing your iPhone against your own usage standards. Think of the most demanding scenarios you're likely to realistically run into at some point in your ownership and see what kind of performance, battery life, heat dissipation issues you run into. Evaluate THAT. That's concrete, that's what's in front of you. If it's a good result that you can easily live with, keep it, especially if everything else about the device meets your standards. Be honest with yourself, don't sit there and think "Oh but if it had the TSMC chip in it, it would be even better."
Due to variances in the manufacturing processes there is no guarantee you won't still end up with a rather lame example of a TSMC chip. So even if you do find you got the TSMC chip, test the device anyway. Make sure it meets your needs. But be honest about it and don't set unreasonable expectations.
For example, it doesn't matter which chip you have, FB app will eat your battery for breakfast, lunch and dinner!
If you purchased through your carrier there may be ramifications specific to each carrier for returns and exchanges.
newsman787
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Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I am past the return period but I would not have returned the phone simply trying to get a new chip. And this is no criticism of those doing it. That just isn't me. I plan to continue to enjoy my phone as I have always done with my iPhones but honestly this issue has just slightly lowered what usually is a fantastic experience. There is a slight worry I wish I didn't have in the back of my mind. In this small case for me Apple just lost a little bit of its luster! Next time I probably won't be one of the early upgraders but will wait for the shakeout before spending my money.
I think people are missing that GFXBench is as close to "heavy use of 3d games" as it would be to be playing one.
They should single digits numbers of difference between the two. Assume heavy 3D Gaming is the fastest way to kill a battery, you'll get either 133 or 139 minutes off of a 6S.
6 minutes...
They should single digits numbers of difference between the two. Assume heavy 3D Gaming is the fastest way to kill a battery, you'll get either 133 or 139 minutes off of a 6S.
6 minutes...
I understand. It just remains to be seen if there really is an issue. And it's human nature to not want to be or have anything considered second best. This is where I find it useful to shut off those nagging emotional qualms and operate on pure logic. If the iPhone is meeting my needs and I'm having fun, there is no logical reason to feel bad about anything. If it turns out my Samsung A9 starts acting like a real dirty dog, I'll go in like the lady my mom raised me to be and work it out with Apple to get it working right again or get me a warranty replacement that will work right.
I don't think Apple set out to screw any of us over. They have been caught too many times in the past year not having enough supply ready to match their demand and it's gotten them some unhappy customers. They wanted to ensure they had enough components to turn out a certain level of inventory and fulfill their preorders in a timely manner. So they went with two suppliers.
They may also have been trying to use one manufacturer against the other to negotiate better prices. That is something that may come back to bite them in the butt over this because it may ultimately satisfy their profit goals at the expense of customer satisfaction. But it's not the first time they dual sourced components. As those of us who've played other past component lotteries can attest to. And they're certainly not the only company to do this. So really this isn't that new of an experience for us customers.
According to RonFromOregon, the delta is 51%.
227min vs 344min. So make your own decision.
I think we've gotten off track. That is GeekBench. Let's disregard GeekBench as it seems to be an anomaly from every otehr benchmark that anyone else has done. It constantly has an output which does not match up with anything else.
Run those two phones on GFXBench, which was what I said in my post. GFXBench gives the lowest runtime out of any of the scripted benchmarking tools.
Lets see the difference between GFXBench on two devices, JUST like Ars did.
aristobrat
macrumors G5
Only if you originally purchased it from Apple.
If you originally purchased through your carrier, you have to return it through your carrier, which may be subject to $35 restock fees.
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