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i haven't got the 6s yet but if this isn't fixed when i do, early next year, i will be returning it till i get a tsmc chip.

Everyone is free to exercise his/her rights within the return policy. This is fact, no one can deny it.

As for whether such action is logical or justifiable, this becomes a personal opinion. There is no right or wrong, when it comes to personal opinions.
 
i haven't seen any samsung iphones outlasting tsmc ones. sure none of the tests are technically scientific, but it's pretty obvious the tsmc ones have better battery life.

for me it's just the fact that the tsmc one lasts longer. i'm not saying the samsung one is bad, it's just i would feel i'm getting something worse than the other half of iphone owners. and when you're spending that amount of money, you want the best...

hopefully apple either:
-fixes in a software update (seems unlikely, but maybe the extra <1% performance of the samsung chip makes a big difference in battery life and they could therefore underclock it <1%)
-exchange samsung for tsmc (imo actually possible considering only geeks will really know whether they have tsmc/samsung)
-stop selling samsung ones
-put samsung in 6s plus, tsmc in 6s

otherwise i guess i'll have to keep returning when i decide to buy my 6s, well hopefully i'll get tsmc first time but if i dont, just so its not awkward and cause im kinda shy in real life, ill explain i want a tsmc one not a samsung one so they don't think i'm returning them for no reason. hope they have a lot of 128gb 6s space greys :D.
Not necessarily. It's not scientific but Sunking has posted that he was pretty sure his Samsung based IPhone got better battery life than his TSMC replacement. He returned the Samsung one because of a defective home button, I think.

"When you spend that amount of money you want the best." The best at what, exactly? You mean to tell me you're willing to waste fuel and other natural resources and consign perfectly aesthetically fit, fully functioning IPhones to the refurb pile (wasting yet more resources to get them repackaged as well as whatever else is involved in the refurb process) just so you can possibly get an iPhone that will run an indeterminable amount of minutes longer than somebody else's iPhone.

Do you realize how entitled that sounds? How wasteful? How illogical?

I repeat, unless it's a particularly bad chip, or unless there are other internal variances in the phone that can't be predicted, you are more than likely going to end up with an iPhone that will more than meet your needs regardless of who made the chip in it. If it gets you through your workday on a charge, if the screen is clear and free of serious defects, if it functions well, then it IS the best.

I really don't mean to sound like I'm picking on you. I'm really not that kind of person. You've been very kind to me in your response and I do respect you for that. I also respect in the end you will do what you feel you have to do. I just hope I've been able to introduce another point of view for you to consider. I do wish you luck on your purchase and I hope you get what you want with no difficulty.
 
It doesn't matter, I paid a pretty big lump sum to have the newest and greatest! Not to have a 2-3% less than someone who paid the same price I did!

This is why we Apple users are called "sheep" as soon as Apple releases a statement people bow down and say yes Apple, I am sorry I went against you Apple.

Not me as I said I paid a premium to have the best out there not a 2-3% difference in performance!

I called Apple a little bit ago and spoke to a senior rep named Renee, and told her she has 2 choices (bluntly) either I get my phone exchanged or I get something for free, worth about $40 as that would have been the 3% difference in price compared to what I paid versus the TSMC chip. She told me she was in aware of the issue and couldn't find apples "statement" anywhere on her system. I told her if she didn't comply I was going to the local Apple Store at the busiest time of day and making a "huge"scene I don't care if I looked like an idiot, I'd do pretty much anything for 1,200.00 Canadian dollars.

She complied and issued me a replacement


And for those who claim "it's so small of a difference" don't worry about it idiot. That's how it starts keep giving Apple an inch and they will eventually take a mile. They got away with bendgate (cause the issued a statement, and Apple users bowed down to the master) they are trying to do the same thing with "chipgate" almost like purposely seeing how much the "sheep" will take before they have had enough.


It's this kind of attitude That would have had myself as a tech support rep or anyone I work with straight up telling you that no you're not getting one and hanging up. People like you are the reason Apple users are looked at as whiny babies by the rest of the tech using world you act entitled and stomp up and down like children when told no. You can't prove a quantifiable difference in general usage and if you say you can you're lying. Also try making a scene at an Apple store they'll just have you escorted out by security and asked not to come back or you'll be charged. If I were an ARS employee I would tell you politely to get out and if you refused i'd have you removed by force

TL;DR Quit your bitching
 
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How so? https://www.macrumors.com/2015/10/08/apple-a9-chip-2-3-percent-difference/


"Our testing and customer data show the actual battery life of the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus, even taking into account variable component differences, vary within just 2-3% of each other"

When I went to school here in Canada that basically meant that Apple took into account different components in the phones and possibly ran a few tests of their own, and the results showed a 2-3% difference in battery life.

I don't know where you went to school or if you did? But where did I go wrong professor?

maybe you are really slow...

but where does it say TSMC has the 2-3% advantage over samsung.

Most are reading it as. Phones (with either chip) have a 2-3 difference between each other
 
ars technica: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/10/samsung-vs-tsmc-comparing-the-battery-life-of-two-apple-a9s/

There are two big takeaways from the results here. First, the Samsung phone did have consistently lower battery life results than the TSMC phone. The one exception was the WebGL test, in which the Samsung phone barely edged out the TSMC phone.

Second, even though that's true, the Geekbench test was the only test that caused what we would believe to be a statistically significant difference, one that we can definitely attribute to the SoC rather than the screen or the battery itself or some other system component. All three of the other tests showed the two phones scoring within two to three percent of each other, which just happens to be the same figure Apple quoted to the press last week. The heavier Geekbench test, on the other hand, showed the TSMC phone lasting an average of 28 percent longer than the Samsung phone.

So there are definitely circumstances under which the TSMC phone will last longer than the Samsung phone, but it's not a universal problem. A Samsung chip that's mostly idling or even one under modest CPU and GPU load, though, is going to behave in just about the same way as a TSMC chip. And the kinds of CPU-intensive work that the Samsung chip seems to struggle with just aren't that common on smartphones. Most of the time, iPhone 6S battery life should be similar no matter which chip your phone is using.
 
I think if any future iOS update does happen regarding this so called 'chipgate' saga it will be to increase battery life somehow... Can you imagine how pi**ed off people would be if Apple made the TSMC less efficient to be more in line with the Samsung chip!! That would be a big no no.... o_O

All Apple has to do is ensure that in real world use, that an iPhone 6S/6S Plus works according to specification. No matter what chip is in it. As they do not publish speed benchmarks, they are irrelevant, however they do need to meet battery life claims.
 
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Summary: DON'T trust GeekBench
 
How big of a deal would it be for me? I only use Instagram, snapchat, Facebook, Safari, Netflix and music. Would it even matter if I got the Samsung chip? I'm starting to care less and less and just want my phone to come.
 
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Apple has absolutely no way of telling which phones with the Samsung chip are in what box. If you exchange a phone you have a 50/50 chance of getting another Samsung chip'd phone.


I suspect they do. There us a thing called the serial number. They (Cupertino, not the local Apple Store) would certainly be able to find out from that what plant it was manufactured in, and what logic board was used. From this they would be able to tell who manufactured the A9. That said, for most people, it really doesn't matter.
 
Not necessarily. It's not scientific but Sunking has posted that he was pretty sure his Samsung based IPhone got better battery life than his TSMC replacement. He returned the Samsung one because of a defective home button, I think.

"When you spend that amount of money you want the best." The best at what, exactly? You mean to tell me you're willing to waste fuel and other natural resources and consign perfectly aesthetically fit, fully functioning IPhones to the refurb pile (wasting yet more resources to get them repackaged as well as whatever else is involved in the refurb process) just so you can possibly get an iPhone that will run an indeterminable amount of minutes longer than somebody else's iPhone.

Do you realize how entitled that sounds? How wasteful? How illogical?

I repeat, unless it's a particularly bad chip, or unless there are other internal variances in the phone that can't be predicted, you are more than likely going to end up with an iPhone that will more than meet your needs regardless of who made the chip in it. If it gets you through your workday on a charge, if the screen is clear and free of serious defects, if it functions well, then it IS the best.

I really don't mean to sound like I'm picking on you. I'm really not that kind of person. You've been very kind to me in your response and I do respect you for that. I also respect in the end you will do what you feel you have to do. I just hope I've been able to introduce another point of view for you to consider. I do wish you luck on your purchase and I hope you get what you want with no difficulty.

The best battery life in this case is what is best about the tsmc. Sure in light and moderate load they're about the same, but more intensive things like gaming there will be a big difference.

And yea I see your point about being wasteful but In my opinion it's apples fault because if the 2 chips were the same or they just use 1 chip I wouldn't be having to do that. I know that sounds really selfish but it's true.
 
The best battery life in this case is what is best about the tsmc. Sure in light and moderate load they're about the same, but more intensive things like gaming there will be a big difference.

And yea I see your point about being wasteful but In my opinion it's apples fault because if the 2 chips were the same or they just use 1 chip I wouldn't be having to do that. I know that sounds really selfish but it's true.


Wrong. WebGL and GFXbench is not light or moderate.

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