Are you returning your Samsung chip iPhone for a TSMC?

[HEK]

that makes no sense, look at the geekbench results between n71map (tsmc) 6s and n71ap (samsung) 6s:

Why are we automatically assuming the geek bench test is accurate and other tests are not? I have now read about two other organizations doing a series of tests that show opposite results. Rather than automatically assuming Apple is being false and that other tests are incorrect, shouldn't the one test showing such large variation be considered suspect.

I still fall back on fact that all the tests done have sample sizes of ONE. The testers themselves say this may raise a question but in no way provides users with a clear direction, or even a valid concern to worry one way or other. This coupled with users reporting better battery life on switched out phones opposite of the geektest claims, really puts this whole issue at strong risk of being at best an over reaction. And at worst complete nonsense.

I can see such wide variation on my own phone's battery life based on what I set on and off. And that radio power drain fluctuates wildly based on location, interference, and cell tower target I can prove whatever you like. This is the best phone I have ever used. The speed, screen, sound, features, and all day battery life just don't give me any concern. On top of that knowing how easily I can get it exchanged should something happen, makes this thread much akin to navel lint picking exercise.

The opinions expressed above are solely my own based on user experience with one phone and digesting the various post, tests, and articles read regarding this subject. Other user's opinions may vary, with no further validity than my own.

 

[MCube74]

So this puts the chipset discussion to rest.

One problem solved. Now to focus on the display shut down issue.

 

[HEK]

That explanation right there is exactly what I have been trying to say, but everyone looks past it.

My guess is the majority posting negative comments are the ones with the TSMC, and it would bug them if everyone had a TSMC as they'd have nothing to feel superior about.

What part of, even if all parts are coming from same source you still are in a lottery don't you understand. No one can currently control the laying down of material at the atomic level on the chips to make them perform identically. There is variability in ALL manufacturing processes. To expect perfectly identical components and performance is a fools curse. This is fact not opinion, no amount of wishing or hand ringing will change this FACT. SO DON't look past this fact.

 

[MothJab]

Absolutely not.

 

[HEK]

i am now actually beginning to think there might not be any difference, its just the first 2 videos i watched from austin evans and jonathon morrison basically suggested there was a huge difference in geekbench and real world.

now ive watched more videos and read more things, geekbench is the only program with a major difference and other real world tests have shown they are similar. however i still want to know why there's such a huge difference on geekbench, its kind of weird, i hope its an error in their code cause i really dont want to worry about this when getting the 6s.

yes, i joined to talk about this, as im probably getting a 6s next year so it was a concern to me. i got fed up of people saying this wasn't an issue when they had no idea, and then the people who were saying it was completely acceptable to have a 20% difference because the samsung one still meets the battery life stats by apple. they were probably the same people who said antennagate and bendgate weren't an issue even though we know now they were. so if you're suggesting i'm joining to troll (not saying you are, but that's how i took it), no, i'm just concerned about this issue and want to give my opinion, see others opinions and also see news about it that people post.

edit: although the 20% geekbench difference thing is still kind of worrying.

So perhaps all those people saying it's a non issue understood a bit more than you and were right in their judgement.

It might be time to really look at yourself and dial back the paranoia. I'm glad to see you are at least considering that we all aren't Apple shills. And yes sort of puts out a concern that the geek test sited may be less accurate and puts it in suspect on other tests it has reported on. Just saying, it's something to consider.

 

[HEK]

I wouldn't have joined just to discuss this, if you dare disagree with the minority you have gone "full blown ******" don't worry if you do get the Sammy chip just swap it out for the TSMC.

Be careful even mentioning anything in regards to the Sammy chip being less than par with the TSMC, you'll have people on these forums showing up outside your house with pitchforks and torches.

In all honesty I don't give to flying ***** what anyone on this forum says, and you shouldn't either, do what you feel is right and what makes you satisfied.

If you feel that way, why are you even on here commenting?

 

[semicoln]

I just want the most dependable and reliable with least amount of problems. I keep my iPhone's avg three years. Maybe Samsung better as long as I have a nice screen I don't care.

Yeah, a decent screen is a much bigger prize

 

[ipooed]

If you feel that way, why are you even on here commenting?

Because, I will not be deterred by a bunch of ignorant bullies who attack you on a personal level due to life choices!

 

[Will22]

I see so many people saying that their screen is perfect so they're not returning their Samsung chipped phone.
Wait...isn't it supposed to be perfect?? I mean you payed ~1000Euros on it. What did you expect?
I can't even imagine what are your expectations from a 100$ phone...

Apart from Oneplus I have never seen a company have such shockingly bad quality control on their screens. I'm sure the working conditions the workers are made to work under have something to do with it.

 

[cjmillsnun]

It's not about it being a 2% or 22% difference. The point here is that it's 2 different CPUs (technically the same specs, but they were made differently, and are a different size), that are giving different results (as minor as they are). As a customer paying big bucks, why should it be a gamble, whether you're going to get the 'better' of the 2? That's not fair - we are all paying the same money, so we should get the same product.

As a customer, you should be only worried about whether it meets the specs published by Apple. Manufacturing variations between individual batteries can explain a 2% difference.

If every test or all bar one showed a 8% difference or higher then yes this would indicate a problem.

But that 2% really is next to no difference at all.

 

[cc999]

Samsung is better according to Anandtech too.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/10/samsung-vs-tsmc-comparing-the-battery-life-of-two-apple-a9s/

LOL please quit trying to convince yourself the Samsung chip is better.
It's NOT. If you are happy with your Samsung chip in you phone then
relax and keep it.

CC

 

[bkends35]

that makes no sense, look at the geekbench results between n71map (tsmc) 6s and n71ap (samsung) 6s:

LOL. Are you using your phone to run geekbench all day? If yes, then the TSMC is for you.

If you use your phone like a normal person, either will be great. The small variation is within the percent error of the test.

Do you actually think geekbench is the best way to test battery performance?

 

[j2ee]

If you play a lot of 3d games, better return

 

[j2ee]

As a customer, you should be only worried about whether it meets the specs published by Apple. Manufacturing variations between individual batteries can explain a 2% difference.

If every test or all bar one showed a 8% difference or higher then yes this would indicate a problem.

But that 2% really is next to no difference at all.

Apple provides meaningless battery spec. Any battery meets that "up to xxx hours" spec

 

[rockitdog]

I have a Samsung chip. Won't be returning. I have a good screen, clicky buttons and a firm slient/ vib switch! No way would I return this and gamble getting another device with something wrong. I don't sit on my phone gaming for hours so I'm good with that I have.

 

[MCube74]

Am I wrong in my assumption that in the past all iPhone used to have the TSMC chip? Only now with the need to keep up with the demand, Apple asked Samsung's help to make some of the ships.

So if we didn't fess so much in the past then why now? All because of Samsung?

 

[WarcraftWidow]

Am I wrong in my assumption that in the past all iPhone used to have the TSMC chip? Only now with the need to keep up with the demand, Apple asked Samsung's help to make some of the ships.

So if we didn't fess so much in the past then why now? All because of Samsung?

That's backwards. Most of Apple's chips have always been Samsung. They added TSMC in for the 6 (I think) in 2014 to diversify suppliers.

 

[Zombiecrowd]

TSMC was exclusive for the A8 and the amazing A8X. Samsung made a lowball offer for A9 so Apple ordered a smaller percentage of them.

 

[chestvrg]

I firmly believe there isn't a big difference in the chips. I think this whole debate is kinda dumb and I wouldn't return my phone if it had the Samsung chip anyways.

But you do you.

I have a Samsung chip SIM free model and I'm keeping it.

 

[semicoln]

I've got a Samsung chipped phone without defects and I love it. I'm keeping it, especially after the Toms Hardware report.

 

[JXShine]

Every night I just grab some popcorns and load up this thread to see people stressing themselves over this non-issue. It's been fun so far!

 

[HEK]

Apple used Samsung chips in most phones till TSMC came up with a 20 nanometer process for the A8 chip in iPhone 6. That chip has 2 Billion, with a "B" transistors on something the size of postage stamp. Looked like Apple could finally use alternative to Samsung that was better.

Apple was going to use the TSMC chip in next iPhone 6s A9 SoC. But then the following happened.

TSMC management pissed off chief designer of chip process/design by giving a titled promotion to someone else and the guy felt he deserved it and left TSMC taking a teaching position at Korean university saying his wife is Korean and wanted to move back. Turns out this university is a front for Samsung and the guy didn't do much teaching. And if I recall correctly, his wife never did move from Taiwan back to Korea. Of course he had all the information on new 14/16 nanometer process.

Somehow (tongue in cheek) Samsung got a hold of the new process and rapidly tooled up this new process. Then offered Apple a cut rate price on their production version of A9 chip. Undercutting TSMC by a huge margin. The design is Apple's, how it is manufactured is is TSMC and Samsung.

So Apple seeing a large profit, as well as safeguarding risk with only one manufacturer decided to have the chip produced by both. This will of course drive down the price of the A10 chip for the iPhone 7. Having two companies compete for the contract.

So as Paul Harvey used to say, "Now you have the rest of the story"

 

[Qbnkelt]

I'm already getting a full day battery life on my 6s Plus. I don't care they it's the Sammy chip.
I'm happy with my device.

 

[joe guillian]

I'm already getting a full day battery life on my 6s Plus. I don't care they it's the Sammy chip.
I'm happy with my device.

Same here I got an iPhone 6s with an even white screen and no defects. my batterie life is 1 day or 1 day and half depending on my usage so why I would check my chip and would been anxious if it would be the "bad" one...

 

[welsea]

I have a Samsung chip SIM free model and I'm keeping it.

Good!