You don't know what scientific is. A test being scientific has more to do than numbers. More phones doesn't make the test scientific.
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You don't know what scientific is. A test being scientific has more to do than numbers. More phones doesn't make the test scientific.
It's funny how you like to co-sign everyone that says their TSMC does better on this forum, but when someone mentions their Samsung doing better that's ignored or all other article reviews are ignored because they're one phone vs on phone even though the people on this forum also has one phone vs one phone.
Then you know nothing about statistics then. There are no other tests using more than 1 phone vs 1 phone, all other are not statically significant at all.
I'm pretty sure I know more than you going by your posts and flawed math. So far, none of these tests are scientific. Just because it's 105 phones doesn't make it scientific. With the number of iPhones, a sample size of 105 is just as small as 2. 105 and 2 isn't a big enough sample size out of the millions of iPhones to draw a meaningful conclusion. And if you were to ignore the sample size, your test has way too many flaws to even be considered valid and scientific. Did you take any research or statistic classes in college? I don't think you did and if you did I wouldn't be surprised if you barely passed.
105 phones is not more statistically significant than 2 phones? Ha ha. Ca. You explain how to cherry pick 105 phones especially the test result against what Apple wants people to believe, comparing to almost all big western tech reviews using two phones and not saying where did the phone come from? I dont know how to cherry pick 105 phones without Apple helps, that must have like 10,000 phones to cherry pick, count how much money would that be, you can explain how can that be possible.
There's no point arguing with the troll. He thinks he is right and everybody else is wrong. He thinks this is some big conspiracy by Apple to take down Taiwan or something crazy like that.
Just on the 13 million iPhone 6s sold in the first WEEK alone, you'd need a sample size of 9597 to be reasonably confident.
You said logic board of samsung A9 is same as tsmc A9, you show you are lack of basic knowledge so no point to discuss with you.
As I mentioned Apple addicts like to argue with me for no reason, even argue 105 phones test is not more statistically significant than 2 phones test especially the those 2 phones tests dont provide where the 2 phones come from and could be cherry pick from Apple. For Apple addicts the only truth is to say whatever to support Apple.
The logic board (motherboad) of the phones are identical. The chips themselves are physically different. I can't help you don't understand plain english and that you don't know the correct terminology of components.
Whether you have 2 phones, 105 phones or 1000 phones, your sample size is too small to say with any confidence that you are correct. Play with it yourself: http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm
Are you dim? How is this so hard to understand? When the population size is millions, 105 is too small. It's basically the same as 2. Since you like math, maybe this will help you out. Apple sold about 13 million iPhones during the first 3 days, so let's use that number as our population.
105/13,000,000=.0008%
2/13,000000=.000015%
See how small that sample size is? Both aren't even .1% of the population. It may as well be 0.
Also it's very easy to cherry pick 105 out of 13,000,000. A lot of people have more Facebook friends than that. If someone wanted to make a test go their way it's not hard.
I know, I keep telling myself that. Sometimes it's just so hard to resist.
You said the logic board of A9, not the phone, do I need to quote what you said again?
Let's us see how wrong you were again:
This is what you said:
"Your lack of knowledge on semiconductors and how they're manufactured is humorous. You have the same level of knowledge as a 15 year old who's read Wikipedia. Give it a rest, you're wrong. You've been wrong since your very first post and you will continue to be wrong for until someone eventually locks this thread or suspend you. 15nm and 14nm chips are NOT different architectures. TSMC and Samsung chips are NOT different architectures. They are the SAME architecture. If they were different architectures, the logic board for the two chips would have to be different and the software would have to be different which they are NOT."
Then now you just said "I never said the chips were physically identical. In fact, no two chips manufactured by any company ever are identical physically."
You said the logic board of the two chips are the same, then you said the two chip are not physically identical after we prove to you that there are different, shouldn't you say sorry to all of us because you lack of knowledge, mislead all of us?
Remember you said:
"If they were different architectures, the logic board for the two chips would have to be different"
So you said the logic board of the two chips are exactly the same
Prove it or say sorry cbrand493
or go to here:
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/apple-a9-soc.57221/page-15
Talk with this guy Rys who said
"I've just had my first good look at both chips. There are significant layout, utilisation and library-level differences between the two variants, and no two layout blocks are identical. So there's a lot more at play than pure transistor manufacturing between the two. I know that's kind of obvious from the low-res imaging that Chipworks put out there, where you could see some differences, but it's worth pointing out they're not minor"
Go there and tell him that you have already found out the logic board of the two chips are exactly the same, tell him you know he is completely wrong.
It is either he is completely wrong or you do
Let's us see how wrong you were again:
This is what you said:
"Your lack of knowledge on semiconductors and how they're manufactured is humorous. You have the same level of knowledge as a 15 year old who's read Wikipedia. Give it a rest, you're wrong. You've been wrong since your very first post and you will continue to be wrong for until someone eventually locks this thread or suspend you. 15nm and 14nm chips are NOT different architectures. TSMC and Samsung chips are NOT different architectures. They are the SAME architecture. If they were different architectures, the logic board for the two chips would have to be different and the software would have to be different which they are NOT."
Then now you just said "I never said the chips were physically identical. In fact, no two chips manufactured by any company ever are identical physically."
You said the logic board of the two chips are the same, then you said the two chip are not physically identical after we prove to you that there are different, shouldn't you say sorry to all of us because you lack of knowledge, mislead all of us?
Remember you said:
"If they were different architectures, the logic board for the two chips would have to be different"
So you said the logic board of the two chips are exactly the same
Prove it or say sorry cbrand493
or go to here:
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/apple-a9-soc.57221/page-15
Talk with this guy Rys who said
"I've just had my first good look at both chips. There are significant layout, utilisation and library-level differences between the two variants, and no two layout blocks are identical. So there's a lot more at play than pure transistor manufacturing between the two. I know that's kind of obvious from the low-res imaging that Chipworks put out there, where you could see some differences, but it's worth pointing out they're not minor"
Go there and tell him that you have already found out the logic board of the two chips are exactly the same, tell him you know he is completely wrong.
It is either he is completely wrong or you do
I just want to show to you guys what kind of person cbrand493 is. It is very clear that he was wrong about saying the logic board of the two A9 chips are the same, then now he tried to pretend he was talking about the logic board of the phones are the same. Be careful about this kind of person, don't believe anything he says.
Are we in kindergarten?
The moderator sends your thread to the wasteland so now you start up the same nonsense here?
There is no disagreement that there is variability in any electronic device, whether all the the component chips are exactly the same part number or not. Apple has two suppliers that use different fab processes to each meet the required spec for the processor as their supplier. One supplier's process appears to over-achieve the spec more than the other. Apple sells the finished product and has not advertised any capability that their shipped iPhone don't meet. There is no conspiracy by Apple. They have a liberal return policy and if a consumer wants to waste their time returning phones chasing the unicorn "perfect phone", they are free to do so. The number of buyers doing that is as statistically insignificant as your test was. And I seriously doubt any of the ones that don't are "broken hearted" about it.
Why you, someone who doesn't even have an iPhone, has made it your life's mission to convince everyone here that evil Apple is controlling all the media in a big conspiracy against its customers, and that all the customers are dumb, is the real mystery.
And I'm still waiting for you to show where the maker of your Android phone has a detailed public spec for battery life when playing 4k video. You said Apple should have posted a spec like that and no company does it, because there are way to many variables, just as there were in your 105 phone test.
Read this if you want solid answer:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ower-in-high-demand-real-world-usage.1931880/
You are wrong. He is right.Let's us see how wrong you were again:
This is what you said:
"Your lack of knowledge on semiconductors and how they're manufactured is humorous. You have the same level of knowledge as a 15 year old who's read Wikipedia. Give it a rest, you're wrong. You've been wrong since your very first post and you will continue to be wrong for until someone eventually locks this thread or suspend you. 15nm and 14nm chips are NOT different architectures. TSMC and Samsung chips are NOT different architectures. They are the SAME architecture. If they were different architectures, the logic board for the two chips would have to be different and the software would have to be different which they are NOT."
Then now you just said "I never said the chips were physically identical. In fact, no two chips manufactured by any company ever are identical physically."
You said the logic board of the two chips are the same, then you said the two chip are not physically identical after we prove to you that there are different, shouldn't you say sorry to all of us because you lack of knowledge, mislead all of us?
Remember you said:
"If they were different architectures, the logic board for the two chips would have to be different"
So you said the logic board of the two chips are exactly the same
Prove it or say sorry cbrand493
or go to here:
https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/apple-a9-soc.57221/page-15
Talk with this guy Rys who said
"I've just had my first good look at both chips. There are significant layout, utilisation and library-level differences between the two variants, and no two layout blocks are identical. So there's a lot more at play than pure transistor manufacturing between the two. I know that's kind of obvious from the low-res imaging that Chipworks put out there, where you could see some differences, but it's worth pointing out they're not minor"
Go there and tell him that you have already found out the logic board of the two chips are exactly the same, tell him you know he is completely wrong.
It is either he is completely wrong or you do
He didn't say "the logic board of the two chips is the same". Read the post you keep quoting again. He says "the logic board for the two chips is the same."
The logic board is not part of either chip. It is a separate component on which the chip and related components sit. It's quite probable they are the same or at least identical in every functional way.
The other poster is right, you are confused about your terminology/grammar, which is perhaps understandable given that I imagine English is not your first language (apologies if I assume wrong).
You need to apologise to the other poster and stop repeating this attack on him. You are wrong.
(Damn. Now I'm re-subscribed to the thread again).
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