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Are you using the "natural" scrolling?

Natural scrolling?

  • Yes, I'm using the new, natural scrolling

    Votes: 391 51.9%

  • No, I'm sticking with the old way

    Votes: 362 48.1%
  • Total voters
    753
Ok, when I fired up Lion I immediately knew something was ****ED up with my mouse. I did not know it was called natural when I clicked on the Mouse Prefs and did not see any inverse mouse box to tic on or off and I was freaking the hell out. It took a call to my friend who also bought Lion on Day 1 to tell me how to fix it.

HELL NO! I don't like the "natural" scrolling method.
 
adding natural scrolling is change for the sake of change - a gimmick. what's the real benefit in changing something that works so well, that we've been using for decades? to make our computers more like our phones? or just ooto switch things up (change for the sake of change)? plus, its a nuisance for people who have to alternate their personal computers with "regular" scrolling on their work/office/friend's/relative's/whatever un-"natural" computers.

someone mentioned that they made lion to lure more non-tech people to their systems, and I have to agree. so many "oohs" and "aahs" and gimmicks to make people think its chic and pretty. but what about those of us who are technically savvy? while there are a few nice upgrades (I'm not discounting lion entirely), overall it just feels disappointing to have waited for something for a so long and get this dumbed down let-down of an OS.

feel free to flame away, you're entitled to your opinion just as much as I am.
 
Yes. I'm using "natural" scrolling. Yes, I used reversed scrolling previously and I'm still getting used to "the new way".

In my opinion it is ok. Like scrolling on the screen, iPad's for instance. You 2finger-tap a touchpad and flick the fingers up so as to move the page up revealing the text below. Just like you would a piece of long paper.

One may argue its a change for the sake of the change.
I cannot help but disagree since it does resemble more closely using fingers in daily life.

The thing i really love: navigating in Safari, especially Back and forward - 2finger-tap and slide to the right for Back, 2finger-tap and slide to the left for Forward. Genial in its simplicity. Just like browsing a large book where you wet your fingers before putting them down and sliding left-to-right for previous page, or right-to-left for next page. Of course, one can also pinch a page and turn it over but that is for next multi-touch gestures upgrade :)

IMHO, good job Apple.
 
Despite wanting to resist having Apple dictate my user experience, I decided to battle through and get to grips with 'natural' scrolling. Now that my brain has fully adjusted, I felt I could comment on this thread.

I'm not sure that 'natural' scrolling is in any way 'better', but now that I'm used to it, it would be equally difficult to go back to my old ways. In some ways, Apple's scrolling is a more intuitive method once you really sit down and think about it. Perhaps for this reason, it only took me a couple days rather than longer to really adapt. Not only am I used to it with the MBP's trackpad, but also with the mouse scroll wheel on my Mac Mini. To think that my brain was trained for decades in using a scroll wheel in one direction, I'm shocked at how quickly I was able to adjust to the new method. Maybe it is more natural. Then again, maybe it doesn't take much for our brains to make the switch. It's like moving your trash can to another side of the room. Takes a few days, but you eventually remember where to throw your wads of paper.

The biggest issue would arise, as many others have suggested, when we bounce back and forth between Macs and PCs for work/home. I have no idea how we'll manage this one, but if we just view it as brain training, then maybe we'll be more open to the idea. =)
 
Of all things new in Lion I feel that this is the singularly uncalled-for feature. What difference does it make to use this 'natural scrolling', other than that one will alienate oneself even further from the conventions of the world?

And there is nothing 'natural' about this method of scrolling. If anything, it is against the intuitive behavior: we interact with the screen indirectly by means of a cursor (regardless of whether a trackpad or a mouse is used), while on the iPad the interaction is tactile and direct on the digital object, thus the necessary difference of scrolling method on a laptop and that on a handheld device. Just imagine scrolling on an iPad as if on a pre-Lion Mac. It just doesn't make sense.

Not everything natural on an iPad is natural on a Mac, and vice versa. I remember Steve Jobs refusing to produce touchscreen Macs on the ground that touchscreen interaction is meant on a horizontal surface of a handheld device, and not on the erect, vertical screen of a laptop. Looks like he backpedalled on his own philosophy.
 
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xxxamazexxx said:
Of all things new in Lion I feel that this is the singularly uncalled-for feature. What difference does it make to use this 'natural scrolling', other than that one will alienate oneself even further from the conventions of the world?

And there is nothing 'natural' about this method of scrolling. If anything, it is against the intuitive behavior: we interact with the screen indirectly by means of a cursor (regardless of whether a trackpad or a mouse is used), while on the iPad the interaction is tactile and direct on the digital object, thus the necessary difference of scrolling method on a laptop and that on a handheld device. Just imagine scrolling on an iPad as if on a pre-Lion Mac. It just doesn't make sense.

Not everything natural on an iPad is natural on a Mac, and vice versa. I remember Steve Jobs refusing to produce touchscreen Macs on the ground that touchscreen interaction is meant on a horizontal surface of a handheld device, and not on the erect, vertical screen of a laptop. Looks like he backpedalled on his own philosophy.
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I mostly agree. I too like the old way of scrolling better. It feels natural to me and it's the first thing I change when I install Lion.
 
I am feeling that most of the people who leaves comments says hate it and disable it.

But the poll shows more people using the natural way.... strange.... maybe the one that like it, just enjoy it and didn't bother to leave complains...

I'm using it and I start become usual to the natural scrolling... I think 1-2 more days, it will be perfectly normal for me.
 
people who don't use the natural scrolling will always live in the past, lol.

they don't know how much amazing the natural scrolling is without even trying to give it a chance. :D
 
it doesnt seem that bad.. sometimes i do wish i would just turn it off because i keep doing the downward motion to go down, but then remember it's the other way around... but all in all, meh!

it's definitely NOT natural though, wonder what Apple was thinking when they did this, but it's decently weird enough for me. besides it's apple, made to be different, so why not :p
 
quietstormSD said:
haha.. Imagine your boss over your shoulder trying to show you something and he/she says, "Scroll up" and you scroll down (and vice versa) and he/she is thinking in back of their head, "wow this person doesn't know how to use a mouse"
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See, as funny as that would be, it's also not funny. Companies are looking for excuses to fire people so they can hire replacements at half the salary level. Lacking basic computer skills is a prime reason, and one where I'm proud to say that I am sticking with the old and plan to continue to do so as long as I own a computer.
 
I, too, was one of the first to quickly dismiss the "natural" scrolling option. Then I saw a few people raving about it and decided to give it a shot.

I freakin love it now. I'm not gonna knock the "unnatural" way (it almost feels wrong to say that lol) but I will admit, when switching between spaces and using the 2-finger swipe back, it feels A LOT more natural and comfortable with the natural option.

Sure, it took a few minutes to get used to scrolling on websites, but that'll quickly go away within a few hours of use.

I say anyone with a MacBook Pro and/or the multi-touch touchpad should definitely give this a chance. I don't see myself going back at all.
 
Needed a short time to get used to it, but like it a lot now. Especially as I'm using touch pads mostly.
 
lemonade-maker said:
No other OS does this. Having to use other systems makes the reverse scroll silly
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This. ^^ If you use other systems it's just too confusing. I disabled it as soon as I knew how to. And I NEVER use a touchpad, EVER!

mac1984user said:
The biggest issue would arise, as many others have suggested, when we bounce back and forth between Macs and PCs for work/home. I have no idea how we'll manage this one, but if we just view it as brain training, then maybe we'll be more open to the idea. =)
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I guess if I had to I could adapt. I got used to cmd+c and cmd+v for cut and paste on my mac while retaining the ctrl equivalent on my PC. Just don't want to.

Cheers,
 
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Would be easier to buy my dad a PC that teach him this

" - No dad, at the bottom of the page you click next. Scroll down to the bottom. What do you mean the page doesn't scroll?

- Scroll DOWN!

- You need to use two fingers on the trackpad and move them from the bottom up to get to the top, that way you scroll way down to the bottom.

- dad it's very normal to scroll up in order to scroll down to the bottom.

- calm down dad - I'll get in the car and drive up to you guys..."

Think twice before upgrading your parents SL to Lion.... ;)
 
Assimilated said:
If that's how you explained it, no wonder he's confused!

"Dad, it's just like a piece of paper: push it up to reach the bottom."
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The feature is called Natural Scroll, not natural push. Natural scroll is a broken feature, and should not be enabled by default. I'm all for it as an option, but not "forced" on people.

The "paper push" metaphor works great and natural on direct touch devices like smartphones and tablets. It might work with a little effort of touchpads, but it should never ever be used on scroll mice. Also if I do not own a touchpad, but only have a traditional mouse, I will have a hard time finding the "natural scroll" setting, as it's under touchpad and not under mouse.

And if something "natural" takes a while to get used to it might not be so natural after all...

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There is indeed a setting under mouse that would make things normal (my bad), however I found that it would overrule the "natural scroll" setting under touchpad (on my system at least), so that if I under mouse have the oldstyle scroll enabled, my touchpad ignores the "natural scroll" setting under touchpad.

What the hell did the beta testers test?
 
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