Arizona Advances Bill That Will Let Developers Skirt Apple's In-App Purchase Rules

turbineseaplane said:
Ahh - but now you've hit the problem.

When Apple & Google together control essentially the whole mobile device landscape...and we've acknowledged that using these platforms is essentially a requirement of modern life....that's when regulation becomes necessary because "not developing" for the only two platforms leaves unacceptable alternatives.

Societally - we don't want that so much.

This is what has to be navigated and is part of the origin of concerns with monopolies/duopolies, etc.
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I hear ya. And thanks for mentioning Google.

People love to throw around the term "Apple Greed" in this thread.

But remember... Google steals 30% too!

I repeat... Google steals 30% of every purchase in the Google Play Store. Those bastards!

:p
 
@Michael Scrip

Oh for sure - We are just Apple focused here (obviously), but overall there is a massive monopoly problem and total lack of meaningful antitrust enforcement.

It all seems great -- until it's really not (we are getting much closer to the latter than the former I think).
 
turbineseaplane said:
Ahh - but now you've hit the problem.

When Apple & Google together control essentially the whole mobile device landscape...and we've acknowledged that using these platforms is essentially a requirement of modern life....that's when regulation becomes necessary because "not developing" for the only two platforms leaves unacceptable alternatives.

Societally - we don't want that so much.

This is what has to be navigated and is part of the origin of concerns with monopolies/duopolies/gatekeepers/rail owners/telecom spectrum control/power grids, etc.
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I don’t remember the right to be a software developer being in the constitution. If you can’t make it work financially as a developer then maybe you should try something different?

With everything Apple provides for the 30% it’s actually quite a steal. I’m going to enjoy watching this backfire on developers screaming for this when costs go way up because they suddenly have to start paying for things that Apple did for free under the 30% cut on sales model.

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
 
turbineseaplane said:
@Michael Scrip

Oh for sure - We are just Apple focused here (obviously), but overall there is a massive monopoly problem and total lack of meaningful antitrust enforcement.

It all seems great -- until it's really not (we are getting much closer to the latter than the former I think).
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I got some bad news... Apple and Google will remain a duopoly for a looooong time. That ain't changing. ;)

So the solution has to be a reduction in Apple's and Google's cut... and/or the developers are allowed to handle their own payments.

The billion-dollar developers will have no problem with that. Most of them already run their own stores.

But I still think the smaller developers will remain under Apple's wing and continue to give Apple a (smaller) cut.
 
WiseAJ said:
I don’t remember the right to be a software developer being in the constitution. If you can’t make it work financially as a developer then maybe you should try something different?
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It's not about the constitution so much as "how we all collectively agree we'd like society to be".

This topic is veering towards a mass of the population wanting change.

That's how this place is supposed to run.
It's a good thing.
 
WiseAJ said:
I don’t remember the right to be a software developer being in the constitution. If you can’t make it work financially as a developer then maybe you should try something different?

With everything Apple provides for the 30% it’s actually quite a steal. I’m going to enjoy watching this backfire on developers screaming for this when costs go way up because they suddenly have to start paying for things that Apple did for free under the 30% cut on sales model.

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
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30% flat rate works a lot of the time but not all the time. There need to be dynamic fees calculated by actual resources consumed. Epic totally swallowed all fees for the DLCs, it’s unfair for apple to dip into that.
 
WiseAJ said:
With everything Apple provides for the 30% it’s actually quite a steal. I’m going to enjoy watching this backfire on developers screaming for this when costs go way up because they suddenly have to start paying for things that Apple did for free under the 30% cut on sales model.

Don’t bite the hand that feeds you.
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Exactly.

Imagine if Apple said:

"Fine... you don't want to give us a percentage anymore? App Store rent is $50,000 a month."

That would instantly kill all indy developers. The only developers who could afford the rent are the Microsofts and Spotifys.

It would be just like a shopping mall. You can run your own store... and keep all the money you make.

But you gotta pay your rent!

Suddenly... the percentage after the sale sounds a lot more reasonable! :p
 
Suckfest 9001 said:
30% flat rate works a lot of the time but not all the time. There need to be dynamic fees calculated by actual resources consumed. Epic totally swallowed all fees for the DLCs, it’s unfair for apple to dip into that.
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30% has been working for many many many years.

and Epic’s 30% contribution on DLCs has benefited them a lot more than they like to admit in support and advertisement from Apple.
 
turbineseaplane said:
We could have said the same about so many companies, in so many industries, over the years

Everything changes
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I mean... sure.

But 10 years ago there were at least 6 smartphone platforms. Now there are just 2... The Apple/Google Duopoly

And I don't see that changing for the foreseeable future. But that's a different topic for another day. :p
 
turbineseaplane said:
The old Nelson Mandela quote comes to mind

"It always seems impossible until it's done."
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Fine... bookmark this thread and we'll revisit it in 5 years...

And we'll see if there is some new platform that is as big as either iOS or Android today. I'm talking BILLIONS of users.

Look... I hear what you're saying. But Windows and Mac have kinda stood unopposed for over 30 years. The same will likely be true for iOS and Android. 😁

I'm really not counting on any new mobile challengers (nor is it the topic of this thread)
 
Michael Scrip said:
And we'll see if there is some new platform that is as big as either iOS or Android today. I'm talking BILLIONS of users.
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They in no way need to be that big - just need to be viable.

As an aside - Are you not rooting for such a thing?
Everyone really should be.

It's ALWAYS better with more competition.
 
turbineseaplane said:
They in no way need to be that big - just need to be viable.

As an aside - Are you not rooting for such a thing?
Everyone really should be.

It's ALWAYS better with more competition.
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Ugh... this again.

Yes... I like competition.

Question for you... are YOU prepared for the only two viable mobile platforms to be iOS and Android for the next decade or more?

Because chances are... they will remain the only two.

:)
 
Suckfest 9001 said:
Excellent, this is good news for developers and customers alike since now they won’t have to mark up prices to get around apples share, or even take it out of the app entirely (like Spotify did).

Really the only loser here is apple but they’re technically losing money they weren’t entitled to in the first place.
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You mean the free apps? Where is the markup for all those free apps apple has to host?
 
Rob_2811 said:
Nah.
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GizmoDVD said:

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Re Read your post maybe?


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