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The writer had me going until he pulls out this gem:

Real stand-up comedy is something I hold dear. I grew up watching HBO specials of Dave Chappelle, Dave Attell, Louis CK and Dennis Miller. I scour the Internet for clips of Norm MacDonald, Todd Barry and Zach Galifianakis. These are comedians, and they all have something in common.

Um, is this guy 13 years old? If the flag-bearers of his comedic history is Dave Chapelle and Louis CK, he doesn't really have that broad a view on stand up comedy history, right?

I mean, most of those names aren't even from as far back as the 90s!

Here's the link:

The popularity of Dane Cook is killing comedy

The popularity of Dane Cook is killing comedy

by Tim Rawal, trawal@CITIZEN-TIMES.com


Where is the funny?

For most of my childhood, I wanted to be a stand-up comedian. No, seriously. Then I realized it involved being considered humorous by more than just your brain-dead friends and having the ability to tell jokes that had beginnings, middles and ends.

Then Dane Cook became famous, and I reconsidered my dream.

I’ve ranted on this moron before, but things are getting out of hand. Somehow this dork keeps getting placed in movies and selling out arenas to adoring dorks just like him. The only discernable characteristic of his brand of “comedy” seems to be volume. The louder he speaks, the higher his income.

And I’m not coming from an uneducated place here. Regrettably, I bought his first album.

If I knew that saying, “Dude, I’m scared of drowning,” or “Working at Burger King sucks” could make me millions of dollars and score me a meeting between the sheets with Jessica Simpson, I probably wouldn’t be tossing out this unimaginative, unreadable gibberish every now and then.

I’d be dead. By my own hand.

Real stand-up comedy is something I hold dear. I grew up watching HBO specials of Dave Chappelle, Dave Attell, Louis CK and Dennis Miller. I scour the Internet for clips of Norm MacDonald, Todd Barry and Zach Galifianakis. These are comedians, and they all have something in common. They told jokes to avoid being beaten up or further ostracized by their peers.

I can guarantee Mr. Galifianakis wasn’t fielding football scholarships from top-25 schools. Though that’s not what makes him funny, we all know it’s kind of hard to be a real jokester when you spend most of your days sleeping with coeds and riding in Escalades leased by college boosters.

Cook appeals largely to a base of male idiots between the ages of 18 and 22 who shell out monetary dues each semester in order to maintain friendships. There’s no funny or jokes to be found in any of his exhaustive live performances. And the true test of a performer’s humor is his ability to think on the spot. I’ve seen him in interviews, and it’s essentially a mild retelling of his so-called jokes.

Go listen to any random appearance Norm MacDonald has made on Dennis Miller’s, Howard Stern’s or Adam Carolla’s show. This is a man with a mind so bizarrely genius that you wonder why you ever thought anything else was funny before him.

Cook is just too perfect. He doesn’t drink or smoke or do any drugs. He’s apparently good-looking, which I cannot attest to because heterosexual men claim they cannot judge another man’s looks. He and a handful of other new comedians who claim their humor comes from a happy place are ruining the honesty of great comedy (see Andy Samberg).

Comedy comes from a dark place. There were only three seemingly happy comedians who ever told good jokes; Billy Cosby, Jerry Seinfeld and Bob Newhart. And even those cats weren’t ecstatic about life. But they were intelligent and articulated universal feelings that made semiboring human quirks seem more enlightened and interesting than they actually were.

And Dane Cook once compared pubic hair to a stage curtain.

I think my point has been made.
 
Despite his lacking in historical comedy education, he's definitely right about Dane Cook being atrociously bad. I've never understood his popularity. He's a startlingly un-funny jackass. Like that frat boy from college who'd laugh at his own jokes before he fist pounded one of his broskis and did a keg stand.

Which is probably why frat boys love him. :rolleyes:
 
I grew up watching HBO specials...

That doesn't mean he doesn't have a firm grasp of the history of stand up, it means he grew up watching comedians that were active when he was growing up. Isn't it kind of silly to take exception to an article because of what he was watching when he grew up?

And besides, he's right.
 
Despite his lacking in historical comedy education, he's definitely right about Dane Cook being atrociously bad.

That doesn't mean he doesn't have a firm grasp of the history of stand up, it means he grew up watching comedians that were active when he was growing up. Isn't it kind of silly to take exception to an article because of what he was watching when he grew up?

And besides, he's right.


I never said I didn't agree with him, I just found it amusing that his argument was, "I grew up watching the all-time greats like Louis CK and believe-you-me, Dane Cook is no Louis CK!"

Sort of like putting down Paramore for not being as good as Panic! At the Disco or lamenting the current batch of sitcoms for not living up to Will and Grace...
 
I never said I didn't agree with him, I just found it amusing that his argument was, "I grew up watching the all-time greats like Louis CK and believe-you-me, Dane Cook is no Louis CK!"

Sort of like putting down Paramore for not being as good as Panic! At the Disco or lamenting the current batch of sitcoms for not living up to Will and Grace...

If you ever besmirch Will and Grace again...
 
If you ever besmirch Will and Grace again...

Ooo... I must dare to besmirch. I haven't been a huge sitcom watcher in years, but am I seriously the only one who gets the creepy feeling that in fifty years we'll all look back on Will and Grace as like the gay version of a blackface act?

I could be wrong. I mean, I have been known to overthink things, as much as I know that will shock people to hear.

Now News Radio, that was a sitcom. Only (non-British) sitcom I've ever bothered to buy on DVD.
 
Personally, I also think Dane Cook is a jackass.

George Lopez is my favorite comedian of all time.
Yeah, I'm 16... and I have no idea why some of my friends like Dane Cook.
 
Honestly I find Dane Cook to be quite funny, yeah flame me while sipping on your Starbucks I really dont care. Honestly the article sounds like it was written by dare I say it an old timer.. someone growing up on SNL and all these classic comedians that defined comedy. Look to now and seeing Dane Cook it reminds me of all those older photographers that grew up with film, whined about the death of film as an art and being taken over by digital everything. I love Dane Cook (personality and material) as much as I love Dave Chappelle, Dave Attell and George Lopez.

I think the popularity of Dane Cook I feel lies in his personality and partly his material because he reminds me of me when I've had very little to no sleep and it seems like I could talk about anything that enters my brain with little to no consequence after that. Sure I can go into an elaborate detail of a "scenario" I'd like to see play out in real life that I'd find hilarious and honestly quite amazing to see. For example coming home after hours of wearing a winter hat my hair would look like what I coined up as "Hitler Hair", come to see that I think it'd be funny if somehow I got engine grease below my nose and if I saw a friend at Starbucks I'd raise my hand up in the "yo whats up" fashion, appalling I'm sure.

If you like the classic comedians such as the ones often from SNL then you wont like Dane Cook pure and simple he'll come off as the frat boy talking and pounding beers down. By the same token I find most of the classic SNL comedians just not that funny and it goes in the same league as dry British humor like Monty Python I'd be more entertained watching paint dry then watching it.. so each to their own
 
If you ever besmirch Will and Grace again...
Karen and Jack was really what the show was about. :p
am I seriously the only one who gets the creepy feeling that in fifty years we'll all look back on Will and Grace as like the gay version of a blackface act?

I think we might end up seeing it as more of a transition show. Some parts of it are full stereotype, but it didn't strive to create a sense of inferiority like a blackface act would have.

I think the show is really just a good example of how any relationship evolves.
Now News Radio, that was a sitcom. Only (non-British) sitcom I've ever bothered to buy on DVD.

Finally! I thought I'd never find another person who likes that show. Truly it was the king of comedies in the 90s.

As for Dane Cook, I don't really care for him and I think the writer has a point. Dane Cook is an old fratboy, and ergo he attracts other fratboys.
 
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Dane Cook makes awesome sound effects.
 
I have a couple of Cook's albums. As much as I would love to say that his humor is beneath me, the tracks crack me up whenever they pop up while listening to the iPod on random in my car.

Consider me a fan. And, no, I'm not a frat boy.

But killing comedy? No. I don't think so. Redefining? I'd buy that.
 
Can someone suggest a Dane Cook skit they find particularly funny?

Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong places...
 
I go to the Improv pretty often to go see stand-up in all forms. You must appreciate the art itself to really get into what they're trying to sell you. As it is, I find Dane Cook to be funny just as much as I laugh at old time SNL skits and laugh myself to death watching Monty Python and Mel Brooks flicks. I to this day do not understand why people consider Dane Cook the anti-christ of comedy. I would say he's probably more a gateway drug into the world of comedy and those that do not like his schtick are the purists who do not want to be associated with the "newbie" crowd that is the audience Dane Cook is attracting into comedy. Dave Chapelle, Adam Sandler, Chris Farley, and Chris Rock played this same role before Cook, just never to the same degree and success as Cook has somehow compiled.
 
EVERYONE was funny on News Radio. They all have their odd tendencies and habits.

For pete's sake the show made Andy Dick funny. There aren't enough people on Earth to deliver the amount of praise earned by a writer that can do that.
 
I can see why people don't like Dane Cook -- it's just his delivery. The way he repeats stuff over and over to accentuate things can be kind of obnoxious. Be that as it may, he makes me laugh, and I'm no frat boy either. My sister is really into him and she's bought me a couple of his CDs, and he is a pretty funny guy.
 
Give Dane Cook some Ritilin and his whole act would be over. I guess you could say the same for Robin Williams tho, but at least he's funny.
 
I've never even heard of Dane Cook, but from what most people here are saying I probably don't want to either.
Anyway, in my book no one comes close to Eddie Izzard in stand up comic funnyness. He's a well-educated British transvestite and he does his act in full makeup and high heeled shoes, and he's %$&@ing hilarious! After an hour or so with Eddie you'll be like, 'Dane who?'
 
For pete's sake the show made Andy Dick funny. There aren't enough people on Earth to deliver the amount of praise earned by a writer that can do that.

Computer solitaire FTW! :D

Seriously though the entire News Radio cast and writing team was talented. I don't think I've ever seen a show that was nearly as well put together.
 
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